8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Pathetic dodge, please give an example of the type of evidence that could be produced to satisfy you about the men's guilt.
'7/7' trial - prosecution arguments start today
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Pathetic dodge, please give an example of the type of evidence that could be produced to satisfy you about the men's guilt.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Is that the name of David "Jesus Christ" Shayler's latest "documentary"?
editor
hiraethified
You seem happy to post up half baked YouTube videos as 'proof' even when the subject matter has been discussed at considerable length here and discredited.
So, about these martyrdom videos. Do you think they're real or not?
Note how the Greater Conspiraloon can be located by its (often annoying) call of "Ev-vee-dence, Ev-vee-dence, Show Mee the Ev-vee-dence". Interestingly its droppings often can be mistaken for bull-shit.
During mating, the Greater Conspiraloon will display YooTube movies and web-pages full of bollocks to the female. The female will lap these up and, if mating is successful will lay a many sided Egg of Truth. Unfortuently, these eggs are often collapse because they are layed in unconvincing straw-nests.
lying to yourself again then. I note you don't explain why you thought that the youtube vid was productive or why you brought the families of thevictims into it.
Does your last sentence make any sense then?
Badger Kitten
oof
RIGHT.*deep breath*
I have just come back from the court annexe where I sat with some other survivors and victim's families watching the court proceedings. Prosecution arguments will now start tomorrow because of videolink problems.
I would like to state one important fact - *deep breath*
In order to make the case, the prosecution had to first
Prove 7/7 happened as reported and that the 4 Leeds bombers did it.
Got that?
I will repeat it. The prosecution had to FIRST make the case the 7/7 happened as reported. That MSK, Tanweer , Hussein and Lindsey did set off for Luton, in a car, with bombs, and then get trains to Kings X, and then split up and board 3 trains where they let off bombs, and that Hussein then got on to the 30 bus and let off his bomb later that morning.
Then they have to make the case that the men on trial knew these men and planned with these men and that they then went to London to scope out the route and attack-plan.
Before the court case, as is usual, the CPS have to make full disclosure to the defence.
And guess what?
Yes, the defence have accepted that the events of 7/7 happened as described.
That means, they are not going to challenge that MSK, Tanweer, Hussein and Lindsey were the bombers and that they let off the bombs as reported and seen and experienced by people there and as a result of which they killed 52 people and themselves.
Got that taffboy gwyrdd?
I continue with other survivors and families to seek an inquiry into whether M15 could have stopped 7/7 by picking up the bombers earlier. I have campaigned for this for over 2 years. I have had meetings with 3 Home Secretaries and the ISC about it and we are in the midst of legal action, though this is stayed whilst the trial goes on.
None of us are interested in stupid conspiracy theories about Peter Power, the Israeli PM, bombs under trains, Mossad, patsies, terror drills involving 1000 actors or any of the other apologias for the murderers.
The conspiracy theorists have nothing to do with the family/survivor 7/7 inquiry group.
Please read this post and digest, and I make the plea that this thread stays on track and covers the trial, not a bunch of conspiracy theories which are not relevant, and are provable rubbish. As you will see during the course of this trial.
Thanks.
I have just come back from the court annexe where I sat with some other survivors and victim's families watching the court proceedings. Prosecution arguments will now start tomorrow because of videolink problems.
I would like to state one important fact - *deep breath*
In order to make the case, the prosecution had to first
Prove 7/7 happened as reported and that the 4 Leeds bombers did it.
Got that?
I will repeat it. The prosecution had to FIRST make the case the 7/7 happened as reported. That MSK, Tanweer , Hussein and Lindsey did set off for Luton, in a car, with bombs, and then get trains to Kings X, and then split up and board 3 trains where they let off bombs, and that Hussein then got on to the 30 bus and let off his bomb later that morning.
Then they have to make the case that the men on trial knew these men and planned with these men and that they then went to London to scope out the route and attack-plan.
Before the court case, as is usual, the CPS have to make full disclosure to the defence.
And guess what?
Yes, the defence have accepted that the events of 7/7 happened as described.
That means, they are not going to challenge that MSK, Tanweer, Hussein and Lindsey were the bombers and that they let off the bombs as reported and seen and experienced by people there and as a result of which they killed 52 people and themselves.
Got that taffboy gwyrdd?
I continue with other survivors and families to seek an inquiry into whether M15 could have stopped 7/7 by picking up the bombers earlier. I have campaigned for this for over 2 years. I have had meetings with 3 Home Secretaries and the ISC about it and we are in the midst of legal action, though this is stayed whilst the trial goes on.
None of us are interested in stupid conspiracy theories about Peter Power, the Israeli PM, bombs under trains, Mossad, patsies, terror drills involving 1000 actors or any of the other apologias for the murderers.
The conspiracy theorists have nothing to do with the family/survivor 7/7 inquiry group.
Please read this post and digest, and I make the plea that this thread stays on track and covers the trial, not a bunch of conspiracy theories which are not relevant, and are provable rubbish. As you will see during the course of this trial.
Thanks.
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Applauds BK as well.
Conspiraloons fuck off.
Mossad did it indeed. I think they've got more important things to worry about.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
OK TG - i watched the link. Notion that this firm had been given the scenario for an exercise - which became reality - leads to your allegation that the 'state must have done it', right?
Right, if the state was about to blow up massive numbers of Londoners and then blame it on Muslims, why would they provide such an scenario for the exercise? It denies any kind of logic that they would choose to draw attention to all this. Yes?
As someone posed on youtube:
EDIT: I'm probably a patsie too. This was meant to be a post about football, but the state twisted my words.
Right, if the state was about to blow up massive numbers of Londoners and then blame it on Muslims, why would they provide such an scenario for the exercise? It denies any kind of logic that they would choose to draw attention to all this. Yes?
As someone posed on youtube:
EDIT: I'm probably a patsie too. This was meant to be a post about football, but the state twisted my words.
Badger Kitten
oof
I have a request. Please could the conspiracy theories arguments go in a different thread so this one which is about a trial doesn't get binned or locked into the Kompendium of Kerazzy Konspiracies...please?
because none of the other threads about trials get this going on and it would be good if people didn't have to wade though pages of conspiracy nonsense to find out about or discuss the trial ( sub judice/trial reporting rules being observed of course)
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
The whole Peter Power thing is such complete and utter cockery. I can't believe people apart from the most barking of loons are even giving it the time of day.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Seems fair to me. (Also, conspiracy-bashing should be removed, since this just encourages things. I apologise for the above.)
please?
because none of the other threads about trials get this going on and it would be good if people didn;t have to wade though pages of conspiacy nonsese to find out about or discuss the trail ( sub judice/trial reporting rules being observed of course)
Badger Kitten
oof
Shall I start another thread for the 7/7 conspiracy theory arguments?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Nooooooo!!!
Badger Kitten
oof
So it can go the way of all similar threads and leave this trial discussion unmolested?
Badger Kitten
oof
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
please?
because none of the other threads about trials get this going on and it would be good if people didn't have to wade though pages of conspiracy nonsense to find out about or discuss the trial ( sub judice/trial reporting rules being observed of course)
sorry for the derail, i hadn't got as far as page 2 when i leapt in with size 9s
Badger Kitten
oof
sorry for the derail, i hadn't got as far as page 2 when i leapt in with size 9s
no prob. Anyway, I hope it gets going tomorrow, poor prosecution chap all ready to roll and then it all fell apart because of the video links failing.Supergrass Barbar should be on next week, from Thursday. He is an interesting character
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
He certainly is!
"...he decided to fight the US despite his mother nearly being killed in the 11 September attacks...He revealed that his mother had worked in the World Trade Center building and the attack made him more politicised."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4835666.stm
Weird. An odd psychological response to your mother nearly being killed...
Badger Kitten
oof
I will just add to my earlier point about the defence accepting the case made by the police CPS about the 4 7/7 explosions being perpetrated by the 4 men
( MSK, Tanweer, Lindsey, Hussein) as per reported reality (not conspiracy theory), that they will have made the case with FORENSICS and CCTV. Some of which may well be shown in the trial. Not that that will probably convince the extreme conspiracy fringe but there you go.
( MSK, Tanweer, Lindsey, Hussein) as per reported reality (not conspiracy theory), that they will have made the case with FORENSICS and CCTV. Some of which may well be shown in the trial. Not that that will probably convince the extreme conspiracy fringe but there you go.
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
"Jurors were shown never-before-seen CCTV footage of those attacks, tracking their movements from the moment the four bombers met in Luton, to the moment they detonated their bombs."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7338301.stm
"The prosecution went on to show the jury CCTV footage of the events of 7 July 2005, the first time the material had been seen other than by police and security services.
The footage captured the four bombers assembling in the early hours of the morning and heading to Luton railway station.
In the grainy CCTV images, time-stamped at 0716, the men could be seen opening the boot of a car in the main station car park, pulling on the rucksacks containing their bombs and walking to a platform to take a commuter train to London.
The CCTV footage continued as the men disembarked at Kings Cross Thameslink, before getting on the London Underground to head towards their targets.
Jurors were then shown images of the damage caused by Khan's bomb, which ripped through the carriage of a westbound Circle Line train shortly after it left Edgware Road, killing him and six other passengers.
CCTV footage also showed a Circle Line train leaving Liverpool Street station and, as Tanweer detonated his device, smoke filling the platform leaving commuters running for cover. He killed himself and seven other people.
Stills of the remains of the Piccadilly Line train, after the third bomber, Lindsay, exploded his device killing another 26 passengers, were also shown.
CCTV footage also captured bus bomber Hussain, who it is claimed had problems with his rucksack bomb, at a WH Smith newsagents where it is believed he bought a new battery.
He went on to detonate his rucksack shortly before 10am on the upper deck of a number 30 bus in Tavistock Square, killing him and 13 other people."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7338301.stm
"The prosecution went on to show the jury CCTV footage of the events of 7 July 2005, the first time the material had been seen other than by police and security services.
The footage captured the four bombers assembling in the early hours of the morning and heading to Luton railway station.
In the grainy CCTV images, time-stamped at 0716, the men could be seen opening the boot of a car in the main station car park, pulling on the rucksacks containing their bombs and walking to a platform to take a commuter train to London.
The CCTV footage continued as the men disembarked at Kings Cross Thameslink, before getting on the London Underground to head towards their targets.
Jurors were then shown images of the damage caused by Khan's bomb, which ripped through the carriage of a westbound Circle Line train shortly after it left Edgware Road, killing him and six other passengers.
CCTV footage also showed a Circle Line train leaving Liverpool Street station and, as Tanweer detonated his device, smoke filling the platform leaving commuters running for cover. He killed himself and seven other people.
Stills of the remains of the Piccadilly Line train, after the third bomber, Lindsay, exploded his device killing another 26 passengers, were also shown.
CCTV footage also captured bus bomber Hussain, who it is claimed had problems with his rucksack bomb, at a WH Smith newsagents where it is believed he bought a new battery.
He went on to detonate his rucksack shortly before 10am on the upper deck of a number 30 bus in Tavistock Square, killing him and 13 other people."
Badger Kitten
oof
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Wot I don't get is this...USUK piss the Muslim world off, some Muslims decide that seeing their brothers killed in Iraq, blow up buses and tubes in London...but they didn't, the UK state had to be involved etc...
I don't understand the logic. I can't see it being the racist angle ('the towelheads could never do this without the help of the West') from TG, so it comes down to 'The only bastards in the world are the UK authorities'...
I don't understand the logic. I can't see it being the racist angle ('the towelheads could never do this without the help of the West') from TG, so it comes down to 'The only bastards in the world are the UK authorities'...
lostexpectation
New Member
willl some of this be appearing in the media soon new (non horrible ) cctv?
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