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7/7 CCTV footage released

It's very simple BK. I'd like to see the CCTV of them on the underground network and getting on the bus, and with timestamps. This CCTV release tells us very little. It tells us they were around King's Cross, that's about it. That's if it's genuine. What the fuck is up with the timestamps? We can hardly see any of them, and are told they are 'inaccurate'!

I suspect the "inaccuracy" issue is to do with the fact that when timecodes are set when a CCTV system is initialised, it's not synchronised to a central time reference, but to whatever is on the installer's watch or phone, which is why you can see timecodes from different camera sub-systems feeding to the same main system being wildly different, especially if one sub-system is set to compensate for time changes and another isn't.
Perhaps, though, it's easier for some people to believe that an erroneous timecode is due to outside agencies, than to accept it as being a result of technical incompetence. :)
 
I would fully expect Imran Khan, a brilliant lawyer, to realise that the best defence is to honestly go 'I knew nothing about it'. Why would I need the additional burden in court of proving that something I knew nothing about didn't actually exist at all? How am I supposed to know anyway, when the world tells me he was a suicide bomber?

The fact is these people claimed to have have nothing to do with any such plot and were fully exonerated in court. This is certainly no evidence the plot existed, if anything the reverse.

You know that two of the three were convicted of arranging to attend a military training camp in Pakistan, and that it was accepted that they had attended other military training camps previously with some of the 7/7 bombers, right?

Jazzz said:
You don't fool me for a second with your faux empathy, BK.

What a moronic comment.
 
I think it's time to convince Jazzz of the benefits of this special dietary supplement. It contains the essential elements of protein and hence of life, carbon and nitrogen and hydrogen, in a quantum embrace. One of each, per molecule, and nothing else. Guaranteed chemical-free. Cures MS, ME and MI5.

But does it cure paranoid delusions and being a clueless muppet?:D
 
The police dont understand the internet very well do they?

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I would fully expect Imran Khan, a brilliant lawyer, to realise that the best defence is to honestly go 'I knew nothing about it'. Why would I need the additional burden in court of proving that something I knew nothing about didn't actually exist at all? How am I supposed to know anyway, when the world tells me he was a suicide bomber?

The fact is these people claimed to have have nothing to do with any such plot and were fully exonerated in court. This is certainly no evidence the plot existed, if anything the reverse.

Oh ffs. I watched the trial and there was quite a bit of evidence that Waheed Ali and Sadeer Salim's disagreement with the UK's foreign policy went quite a bit further than engaging in legitimate political debate.

In a letter to his future wife, Mr Saleem hoped that they would have many children who could kill the filthy kafir (non-Muslims). he wrote 'Inshallah, children, I want loads and have them with the intention of making them mujahidsâ and mujaidas (people who fight jihad) because the filthy kafir (unbelievers) have got big plans against the Muslims. I am going to have children, have them with the intention of making them something that will benefit Islam."

He also wrote: "When I am shaheed [martyr] as a muslim I don't care in what way I receive my death for Allah's cause. If he wishes he will bless the cut limbs."

On the back of a notepad he had written

'I do not fear death as I am going to die, but my fear is of the surrounding fire. Without doubt I am returning to my creator. When I am shaheed ( martyr) i do not care in which way I receive my death in Allah's cause, he will bless the cut limbs'

On his computer were speechfiles about jihad and martyrdom, including '19 Lions', ( google it) praising the 9/11 attacks.

As for Ali, along with Khan and Tanweer, his two friends who went on to be 7/7 bombers, he had meetings with Omar Khyam to talk about going to fight jihad abroad. Khyam was convicted of plotting to use fertiliser based explosives and jailed for life in 2007 after being arrested in 2004.

Despite his friends death by suicide-bombing in 7/7, and his pal Khyam being arrested in 2004 and jailed for life for terrorist offences in 2007, Ali was still happy to make plans to attend a jihad training camp, and was arrested as he tried to the UK to get a flight to Karachi.

They were found not guilty of the charge of helping the 7/7 bombers to plan the London bombings. That does not make them innocent as skipping spring lambkins - which is why they were nonetheless jailed for terrorism offences.

You don't fool me for a second with your faux empathy, BK.

You've come on here loudly proclaiming this new CCTV release as somehow settling all the CCTV objections, it does nothing of the sort. I'm sorry, but emotive arguments are not going to change that.

For nearly 4 years' release the CCTV evidence' has been the constant bleat of conspiracy theorists. It is released and lo, what happens? the equivalent of going 'la la la' and putting fingers in ears. Pathetic.


What do you all make of this bloke?
http://www.the4thbomb.com/book/

Mentally ill. Thinks M15 are constantly stalking him. Classic grandiose paranoia.
 
Of course, the chances of Jazz or anyone else putting forward a credible, evidenced counter explanation of what happened is about as high as the chances of Elvis reappearing live at Vegas.
 
Maybe we should start a conspiracy theory about Jazzz and see how he likes it. After all, nobody has shown me any evidence that he isnt a disinformation agent, and Ive been studying CCTV footage which suggests, if I stand on my head long enough, that he creeps around at night inserting mind control kebabs into the dark portals of the soul.
 
Urban 75 exclusive

After three years of 7/7 research on the internet, I can reveal the TRUTH, and I would like to share it with you all now. Everything in the following is taken from a real, credible, internet 7/7 research source. Placed together, I'm sure you will see what a compelling case it all makes - much more convincing than the official version. Hold tight - this will change your world.

A few years ago, wicked people agreed upon an evil scheme. In order to bolster their nefarious plans for

(a) introducing ID cards (b) endless war for oil (c) endless war against Islam

a dreadful 'false flag' plot was hatched by

(a) the UK government (b) a shadowy Bilderberg hyper-capitalist neocon cabal (c) the CIA (d)M15/6 (e) Israel( f) Jews, somewhere, (g) an elite part-reptilian super-race

They decided to attack London on 7th July and blame it on Islamist terrorist suicide bombers. (There are no such things as Islamist terrorist suicide bombers, especially not UK ones, who have wives and children and look normal.) The terrible plot went like this:

M15 placed bombs under the trains, which had been timed to explode. They worked with Israel to do this, Mossad probably, and maybe the CIA as well. The Israeli PM, who was staying near Russell Square, knew in advance and was warned, even though what actually happened was that after the Russell Square bomb went off, he was warned to stay in his room with his security detail, so missing the fourth bomb in Tavistock Square round the corner less than an hour later. A huge world-leading Israeli-owned security and surveillance company won the contract to put in enhanced security systems on the London Underground in September 2004, ten months before the bombings, so that proves everything. Oh, and a passenger who was in the same carriage as the bomb at Edgware, who remained with a dying woman then staggered out in shock said he 'couldn't remember' seeing where a bomb or a bag was. Which also proves it. Kind of.

But if you want a final piece of proof, one survivor also mentioned to a journalist outside the station shortly after fleeing the train, that they had seen tiles on the floor of the carriage fly up. This was because of the bomb which had been placed in a rucksack on the floor of the carriage in front. Erm, but it could also indicate a bomb under the carriage, although photographs of the train interior indicate the bomb was inside. As does eye-witness evidence from survivors who were in the carriage with the bomber. Including a man who stood opposite him and survived with terrrible injuries.

The bombers were innocent; they were however standing in the carriages and killed by the bombs in their rucksacks that they were carrying. But that wasn't their fault, because they were innocent 'patsies' who thought they were smuggling drugs or taking part in a mysterious terror training exercise. That was why they'd bought return tickets, even though a cheap day return is cheaper than a single. They'd even made videos describing why they considered themselves soldiers in a war against the UK. And been to terror training camps abroad and everything. They took their acting role very seriously indeed. But they were completely innocent, remember.

The person co-ordinating the mysterious terror exercise was Peter Power, an ex-Scotland Yard officer, who like many other former cops had set up his own company. His company specialises in training management to be crisis-prepared. So on July 7th, in a shocking and unimaginable coincidence, he was sitting in an office teaching some managers, in a publishing company that employed about a thousand people, how to plan for disasters, like he did every day.

At 9am, the start of the working day, he was asking the managers to consider what would happen if major tube stations were attacked at rush hour. I know. Amazing and frankly not believable - even though there had been a rush hour Al Qaeda attack on Madrid commuters, and a London tube attack was widely considered to be a likely terror target. As part of his training material, he used recordings of a Panorama programme simulating a terror attack on London. He'd been on the programme - God knows why the BBC would ask a respected security and risk expert onto a programme aboutterrorism and the risk to security, but there you go.

When the real attacks happened in London, where he was working that day along with hundreds of thousands of other people, he was shocked - but used the opportunity to mention the prescience of his security firm. A most untypical reaction of a self-employed risk consultant with an opportunity to talk about his company on national news, I'm sure you'll agree.

The poor not-bombers were killed, along with passengers on the tube trains. But one bomber remained alive. When he realised he was a dupe, he fled to Canary Wharf, where he knew there were lots of journalists in media organisations who would help him. That's what anyone would do in such a situation - hurry across the city to Canary Wharf.

When the young non-bomber arrived at Canary Wharf, he was promptlyshot in broad daylight by black-clad gunmen, in the full view of lots of towering office blocks full of journalists and business people. A much smarter idea than taking him into a van and bumping him off,eh?

His remains were then chopped up, taken back to the exploded bus and carefully scattered about to fool everyone.

The bus wasn't really exploded at all, however. It was full of actors and stuntmen, and used clever pyrotechnics to look like it was exploded. It was all part of Peter Power's mysterious terror drill.

But Peter Power didn't know the real reason why he had been asked to run a complicated terror drill complete with fake exploding bus for the benefit of a few managers in a publishing company who never left their office and were doing a planning exercise on powerpoint with videos in a different part of London.

The wicked plotters behind it all were using Power as a dupe, to add weight to their plot to blow up three trains and blame it all on Muslims. They were so evil that they actually wanted to be found out and send a coded message of their mocking disdain by doing the high-risk strategy of the shooting and faked bus explosion as well; to add insult to this they then cynically arranged for a red London bus with a lift-off roof full of dancers to appear at the Olympic handover to London ceremony.

Thousands of passers-by, police, emergency services workers have all kept quiet about all this, aided by a complicit media. M15 and their masters ruthlessly suppress the truth by allowing bloggers and internet truth campaigners to write about this and distribute DVDs and hold meetings about itregularly.

I realise when I write all this down it looks very silly, almost demented, which is why it is always better not to explain this is what happened, and instead just ask lots of questions and look at isolated details out of context. But I know that the official account is all lies and the ultimate proof is of course, that 9/11 Was An Inside Job.
 
The "truth seekers" attitude seems to be very much in the style of children's logic, asking "Yeah but why, yeah but why, yeah but why?" all the time regardless of whatever or whichever response is given. Sometimes, if I dare say this, the truth should set you free...;)
 
Well done Badger Kitten. There is most likely nothing more that you can do. The conspiraloons will always be with us. Self-styled 'Truth seekers' are only interested in seeking and not in finding truth. It is just like the old newspaper headline method of asking a question about something that is an unlikely possibility, in order to raise fears. A current example might be 'FLU EPIDEMIC TO HIT LONDON TOMORROW?' I made that up by the way, don't blame me if the Murdoch machine picks it up and uses it.
 
<gives BK a standing ovation>


So Jazzz, just out of interest, which bit(s) of her troof-tastic version of events on 7/7 do you not agree with?
 
It is our state telling us what happened on 7/7, it is up to them to prove it. We can make up all sorts of hypotheses about it.

If we may get back to the crucial questions:

1) Where is all the missing footage? Does it exist? If not, then they weren't on the trains. If it does - why don't we have it? Why can't we be told if it exists or not?

2) Where are the timestamps? Timestamps, surely, do not require 'privacy' :D

It seems amazing that anyone would think this release, with blurred timestamps, excuses of 'inaccurate' timestamps, and with all the really juicy footage missing, should satisfy those who think the state just may be lying to us about the day. :rolleyes:
 
I really do have to ask, about your 1st point, about the basis of your "logic"

"Where is the missing footage? Does it exist? If not, then they weren't on the trains"

Sorry - is this the "when a tree falls in the forest but no-one is there to see it, does it make a sound?" argument? From what I understand we now have CCTV footage of the bombers in and around London. And how sad it must be for you, and other truth seekers, that the CCTV footage does not show them blowing up, flesh flying everywhere, death at every inch of the screen. How unfortunate that you don't have such real-time footage like you did on September 11, eh?
 
From what I understand we now have CCTV footage of the bombers in and around London.
Assuming it's genuine, yes, unfortunately being in and around London, even wearing backpacks, is not a crime.

It's very simple. The official 'narrative' has just been told to us. It has not been established by public enquiry. There are countless CCTV cameras on the underground, there should be absolutely crucial footage of each bomber on his way to his train from multiple cameras. We should be able to trace each step of their journey.

This is the footage people have been demanding. We don't have it. And the footage we do have has no timestamps! This suggests the possibility that the times do not match up.
 
It is our state telling us what happened on 7/7, it is up to them to prove it. We can make up all sorts of hypotheses about it.

If we may get back to the crucial questions:

1) Where is all the missing footage? Does it exist? If not, then they weren't on the trains. If it does - why don't we have it? Why can't we be told if it exists or not?

2) Where are the timestamps? Timestamps, surely, do not require 'privacy' :D

It seems amazing that anyone would think this release, with blurred timestamps, excuses of 'inaccurate' timestamps, and with all the really juicy footage missing, should satisfy those who think the state just may be lying to us about the day. :rolleyes:

Given the above, do you object to BK's demands for full inquests into the victims deaths?
 
Given the above, do you object to BK's demands for full inquests into the victims deaths?

Absolutely not! This is what is so silly about all this. There is no need for us to be at loggerheads, because we're after the same thing. Waging war against the likes of the J7 Truth Campaign just serves no purpose whatsoever. It is sad that BK has this incredible animosity to us, and unfortunately I fear it springs very much from urban75, where 'give the conspiracy theorist a good kicking' has always been the party entertainment. If BK would snap out of that mentality, she might choose to say "we need the public enquiry/full inquests to help dispel all the conspiracy theories surrounding the day" - at a stroke using them, without associating herself as believing them in any way. Whereas attacking the CTs just serves to lessen any pressure on the state to come up with the goods we all want.
 
Tactically it has always been essential for the families and survivors' sane, clear-eyed, logical campaign for an independent inquiry to be seen to be clearly nothing to do with the conspiracy theories: this is because the stupidity of the CTs makes them easy to dismiss. Their existence actively damages our campaign - or at least, moonbat bleating that they are 'with the survivors and families' and doing their internet speculation 'on behalf of the survivors and families' is potentially highly damaging. And they always try to justify it thus on the boards and their blogs. Because they think it gives them a veneer of empathy and credibility they do not in fact possess.



We in the campaign have had to make it clear, over and over, that we don't back them, don't buy them, don't believe them and so we cannot be dismissed easily as 'damaged' people who believe any old codswallop, have no critical judgement, have discernible agendas and so on.

That has meant that someone had to make it crystal clear to the CT-ers, who kept approaching, and then badgering, and then getting aggressively proselytizing - that we were not with them, to prevent them co-opting our campaign and so diluting it and weakening it in the public gaze. That someone was me, as the blogger, and main spokesperson I was getting most of the heat anyway. So I've tried hard to make it clear publicly and privately that I, and the campaign are not interested in having anything to do with the CTs and it has led to some angry confrontations, because these people are very vociferous and determined and so, to be fair, am I.

Three, nearly four years on I hope that anyone externally looking at the matter - such as Ministers who have the power to sign off on an inquiry - can see clearly the antipathy towards the CTs on the part of the families and survivors campaign, and accept that we cannot be dismissed as conspiracy theorists.


It is not a false antipathy either, the behaviour and beliefs of the CT-ers - exonerating and denying mass-murder as they do, posting up pics of the dead and injured and picking over them on the internet, trying to contact families and survivors to pass on their stupid DVDs - is genuinely repellent and upsetting to the families and survivors.

Finally, the sheer growth is 7/7 CTs and their prevalence in certain communities - particularly the one in Beeston - is now actively damaging intelligence and trust - and means that although police are sure that 20 people were involved in 7/7, ( 10 sets of unknown fingerprints were found in the bomb factory), it's likely none of them will ever be brought to justice.

This is why, privately, I have been working to try to get the govt and police to do more to actively counter and challenge the false narratives of the CTs, and they have belatedly accepted the dangers of not doing so - see the Information Commissioners' Judgement. Hence my involvement in the BBC documentary and C4 documentary and other stuff that goes on behind the scenes.

CTs are not harmless, they are toxic. They obfuscate the truth and make it harder for genuine attempts to uncover truth, learn lessons and get justice to be successful. They suck up energy that could be spent doing more useful things, like being politically active. They foster a nihilistic 'why bother because The man/The Jews/The PTB/The NWO are in control' outlook, which in turn leads only to angry rage or sullen apathy.

The 7/7 bombers, and their friends were big conspiracy theorists, in case you hadn't guessed and didn't know. The Iqra bookshhop in Beeston was a hub where they made virulent racist and antisemitic conspiracy material for distribution. And the 'blood libel' CT was their main focus - one of the oldest CTs of all - and part of their hateful world view which enabled them to kill and injure filthy kafirs and Zionist pigs and monkeys in cold blood.

I'm sick of the 7/7 conspiracy theories and the attitude of the hard core activists who spread them. They deserve to be held up as the childishly illogical convoluted racist bullshit that they are.

I've been meaning to do the big comedy refutation for ages: the one things CTers can't bear is holding up their logic up, wriggling, to the light and showing the counter narrative with all its flaws, because of course then it looks ridiculous. and demented - and that is because it is. CT-ers hate anyone to pull all their 'threads of doubt' and 'research questions' together and construct an alt. hypothesis because it makes them look silly.

They prefer endless portentous questions and whispers and doubts and always, always the onus on The Man to prove negatives and tackle every silly theory, every feeble doubt.

Of course they do: they have absolutely nothing else to offer. They're sad obsessive twats and I wouldn't bother but the damage the fuckers do has to be tackled.

Now that clear blue water has been established between the campaign and the moonbats, it is possible for me to switch tack and say we need an inquiry to help tackle the damaging CTS and indeed this is the very point I made in the media this week. Sadly, privately, I know that CT-ers will never accept any inquiry or evidence because they Want To Believe. There is something about the CT mindset that is very hard for the sufferer to snap out of.
 
Waging war against the likes of the J7 Truth Campaign just serves no purpose whatsoever. It is sad that BK has this incredible animosity to us, and unfortunately I fear it springs very much from urban75, where 'give the conspiracy theorist a good kicking' has always been the party entertainment.
That's because you post up comedy material about invisible planes, holograms, talking Terrier dogs, owls and sci-fi manuals from the future.

Well, I say 'comedy' but mostly it's just idiotic material sourced from morons in extreme bad taste, with invariable anti-Semitic undertones. The J7 Truth Campaign is a laughing stock.
 
It seems amazing that anyone would think this release, with blurred timestamps, excuses of 'inaccurate' timestamps, and with all the really juicy footage missing, should satisfy those who think the state just may be lying to us about the day.
Is your watch always accurate? Is your laptop always accurate? Do you ever see clocks that are showing the wrong time? There's at least two items in my house right now showing the wrong time.

There's nothing even remotely unusual about timestamps not being 100% accurate, so quit bleating about this non story.
 
If we may get back to the crucial questions:

1) Where is all the missing footage? Does it exist? If not, then they weren't on the trains. If it does - why don't we have it? Why can't we be told if it exists or not?

As leaps of logic go, that is a triple-backflip with a twist.

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It seems amazing that anyone would think this release, with blurred timestamps, excuses of 'inaccurate' timestamps, and with all the really juicy footage missing, should satisfy those who think the state just may be lying to us about the day. :rolleyes:

Anyone else find this a rather telling choice of words?
 
I wonder. Do conspiracy theorists always drool and pick and obsesss over all murder cases, and demand to sniff the corpses and lick the murder weapons, and exonerate the murderers, rapists and torturers - or is it just cases that make the news?

Fucksake.

1) Where is all the missing footage? Does it exist? If not, then they weren't on the trains.... all the really juicy footage missing, should satisfy those who think the state just may be lying

Anyone else find this a rather telling choice of words?

Yes. It says it all.
 
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