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I know it doesn't provide any comfort, but in the early 90s 'downsizing' then 'rightsizing' became all the rage. Shortly followed by HR angst about labour turnover and not being able to recruit anyone with any amount of length of service.

Idiots.

Hope all goes well for you, and the others displaced by this. I'm more inclined to boycott Waterstones than Nestlé now, and I'm a bookworm.

:) My mother says she'll never step in another branch again :p

I spent my last day loudly talking about the benefits of Amazon Marketplace.

The 3 of us are doing the only thing we can, seeing it as an opportunity. I'm glad to get my weekends back after 8 years, and looking forward to focusing on uni. Mark's got lots of projects up his sleeve and is contemplating a summer school in New York. Pete is thinking about doing a counselling course and starting over. Interestingly, both Pete and I are coming into a fair bit of inheritence money in the next couple of months - something that no doubt makes the situation easier for the pair of us.
 
It's a very stressful time. I'm all for consultation, but a long drawn out process is very unsettling and upsetting. Then there's the impact on the ones that remain after the cuts are made - "survivor syndrome" - guilt, resentment, and worry in case there's a second swathe.

I've also noticed that many (larger) companies are taking the opportunity to 'restructure' on the back of the recession even if they're still making a healthy profit. Not on.

I agree with all of this, especially the survivor guilt and profitable companies taking advantage of the current situation.

I'm an accountant. I've specialised in trouble-shooting and rescue since the mid-90's. I actually down-graded to get away from it and the stress, but circumstances being what they are, my "normal regular company accountant role" is once again "how to keep us afloat in the current situation" - I am the safest person within the group as far as jobs go, and despite my newer car bought earlier this month is due to the old one being "over the hill" for the driving I do, rather than any status symbol, I still feel a bit guilty re my neighbours. Due to the nature of my specialty I've never had job security - if i can't rescue/save the company, I'm out of a job along with everyone else. Being in position at the start of a problem is a new situation for me, I'm usually the last resort before liquidators. From a professional attitude, this is an advantage - I already know the business rather than I have to learn how the business works and its market super-fast, but from a personal perspective it's much worse. I've made people redundant, and fired people before - it's not nice, but when a company is minutes away from closure, losing a few people, some of whom are simply detrimental to the rescue, is the price you pay for saving everyone else's job in saving the company.

Whilst previously in my career I was the "new girl" who turned up and promptly turned everyone's job inside out and upside down but the more business-aware recognised the real situation, I'm now "that person from x-entity" who is suddenly interfering with y and z entity (from y and z's perspective). I'm the safest person in the group making decisions about other people's jobs and I hate it.

I know these people and their circumstances, and we've offered very good "voluntary" redundancy or career-break terms. I've silently prayed for certain people to take it but they didn't. I only have to recommend who stays and goes, it's not my name on the final call, but realistically, it's my judgment/call that will be the end result.

I'm not putting down all those who are being or have been made redundant, and I'm certainly not defending those who are making profit and still using the current situation to force employees into worsened employment terms but from my side of the fence, it's horrible and when there's a genuine need for cost-cutting, it would be really beneficial if people would recognise a good deal when they see one and take it rather than having someone take their job away from them.

It seems to me (and I accept it's a minority position) that when staffing cuts are a reality to save the business as a whole rather than preference, people rarely see beyond their own job - understandably. I've only dared to admit this here because VP has recognised (s)he's better off with the redundancy package offered.

I know, and don't underestimate that my job impacts other people's lives massively whilst I don't have anywhere near the worry that my job is next to go. I've made friends redundant when they had children and just before Xmas - it's not a good place to be. I'm not asking or expecting sympathy (more a flaming to be honest) but I have always operated on the basis (professionally) that if people understand why you're asking what you're asking or why you're doing what you're doing, it's easier for them to accept. For everybody out there worrying about whether they've got a job next month, or those who have been made redundant, I don't ask you to sympathise with the decision maker, just recognise that in a lot of cases, it's simply a matter of sacrificing the 10% to save the company (100%) and however shit it feels, it isn't personal... unless you've been an antagonistic to changes and then, well you're top of the list because saving the company 90% staff is way more important than you trying to be a hero "standing up for your rights" re whether you'll answer the phones or not!

Sorry VP for hijacking your thread, it's probably not a good idea I admitted what I do, but I genuinely think if people who are made redundant understood the rationale behind it, they'd probably find it less of a personal "dismissing" than it really is.
 
It was interesting to read your post blues, and I'm personally certainly not inclined to flame you.

As might be obvious from my posts, I'm an HR person and I do have pretty strong views on how redundancies/restructures are carried out.

I could go on at length about that :D

Just to add to what you've said ...

My personal view is that the consultation process is key. Putting aside the legislative framework, it makes sense to meaningfully consult with those most affected by what is happening to the business, which are the workers. And 'consult' doesn't mean 'inform', 'foist' or otherwise come up with a retrospective fait accompli process. And if the organisation is large/multi site, there's an even bigger legal and ethical onus to make sure that it's organised properly.

The trouble is, the larger the organisation, the less likely it is that the decision makers are in touch with what is going on at ground level - and even the best of intentions can get distorted through each level of management.

You'd think by now that directors and senior managers would have got their heads round the fact that everyone knows approximately 250 people, and so multiply that effect by a disgruntled, demotivated, and disenfranchised workforce on the business's potential customer base.

Instead, when they hear adverse comments about how the workforce feel, they seek to justify and explain. Too late, too little, and probably disregarded or actually more inflammatory.
 
... where I work. I'll find out on Monday if one of those will be me. I'm fairly confident I know one guy who'll be going at our branch.

Thing is, job losses were on the cards before this impendingfinancialdoomchaos happened because they've changed their supply mechanism drastically meaning as many people just won't be needed in branches any more (allegedly). But in Jan they said there would be about 200 job losses. Clearly the current climate has meant they can use the situation to shave off an extra 400 as well.

Honestly, I don't think I'll lose my job. I'm Saturday girl till fodder that they're always going to need, and it's cheaper for them to keep me on than shuffle the full timers around to cover my shifts.

Also on the cards is cutting hours. I only do 1 day a week, so it's unlikely they'd cut mine (it's possible they'd cut me down from 7.5 hours to something like 4 to cover dinner, but I don't think they will - I'm the only Saturday girl who does all day and end up being one of the 2 that are there first thing and at night - the other one being the keyholder).

I feel shitty for my workmates though. The one I think is for the chop has been treated like shit by the company before. He's a lovely guy, but he's had some pretty shitty emotional times because of working there. Plus, he's been there longer than any of us, and it's really fucked up to think that someone like me might keep my job over him. Then there's my best mate there: she might get her hours cut (I don't think she'll lose her job). She's already told me it's not feasible for her to do any less than she does now, and it's been an uphill struggle for her to get the amount of hours she does now in the first place.

Ugh, don't know why I'm posting this. It's no different than anyone else in the same situation, no special case. It's just the end of a long process, an end we knew was coming, and it feels shitty and weird.

Plus, I'm going to be at work on Saturday, and everyone else will have had their one-to-one's this week but I haven't got mine til next Monday and I won't know what's going on and they will, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of them tell me anything because they all feel some stupid weird freakishness when it comes to doing anything against what the boss told them (ie: "Don't talk to anyone about this meeting", "OK")

What company do you work for . That sounds like it could be where I work :confused:

It's not where I work , since I see you said it was waterstones in another post . I think a lot of retail is streamlining supply and reducing the number of staff with focus on "flexibility" ( more work for the same pay )
 
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