500 new members for the SWP?

[jed123]

I think its their historical responsibility of the SWP insr stopping the fascists, as they did in the 1970s. Only a socialist organisation can stop them, and the only left party in england with the numbers to do anything about the BNP are the SWP- look at the 100,000 strong LMHR carnival

How many were on the recent London demo?

See you put a comma between socialist and SWP.

 

[durruti02]

I think its their historical responsibility of the SWP insr stopping the fascists, as they did in the 1970s. Only a socialist organisation can stop them, and the only left party in england with the numbers to do anything about the BNP are the SWP- look at the 100,000 strong LMHR carnival

jim the swp did not stop the nazis in the 7ts .. at the 79 election the NF vote went UP considerably .. they did not make a break thru yes but that was down to thatcher .. the anti fascist campaign meant the left took their eye of the ball and thatcher got elected .. some victory

 

[Joe Reilly]

I think its their historical responsibility of the SWP insr stopping the fascists, as they did in the 1970s. Only a socialist organisation can stop them, and the only left party in england with the numbers to do anything about the BNP are the SWP- look at the 100,000 strong LMHR carnival

C'mon Jim the SWP folded their anti=fascist tent in the late 1980's and never opened it it since.

 

[Joe Reilly]

C'mon Jim the SWP folded their anti=fascist tent in the late 1980's and never opened it it since.

That should have read late '70's.

 

[Joe Reilly]

What is puzzling, is why the SWP are throwing themselves into anti fascism?

Any benefit from anti fascist work, will go straight to the establishment parties, who the SWP are supposed to be seeking to replace.

If a SWP campaign succeeds in reducing the vote for the BNP in any said ward, the only winners will be the Labour party, the Tories or the Lib Dems.
As the SWP do not contend elections, so will get nothing from their work.

Indeed the rewards of any anti fascist work they may do, helps maintain the system they are dedicated to overthrowing.

Very baffling.

It all depends on whether you see the SWP as the genuine article or something else? Their track record, on Ireland, Miners Strike, Poll tax and so forth opens up a less edfying raison d'etre.

 

[N_igma]

500 people? The Revolution is near, Viva La Socialist Republic!

 

[Gavin Bl]

They don't claim 120 joined at Liverpool, just turned up (probably half that in reality).

Come off it, I bet it was BRILLIANT !

 

[JimPage]

jim the swp did not stop the nazis in the 7ts .. at the 79 election the NF vote went UP considerably .. they did not make a break thru yes but that was down to thatcher .. the anti fascist campaign meant the left took their eye of the ball and thatcher got elected .. some victory

Would disagree. The ANL were already having an impact on the NF vote by 1978, and their multi track approach of cultural activities (RAR), propoganda, and physical force were the right tactics to stop them. Yes thatcher had an impact, but withour the ANL, they woudl have had an modest election result in 1979,not the poor one they had in reality

Liek it or not,the SWP seem to be the only organsiation to get the numbers out which are needed to build he mass movement whcih is needed to stop the BNP, again. They may not be all of the solution, but have the will to be part of it

 

[geoff64]

Liek it or not,the SWP seem to be the only organsiation to get the numbers out which are needed to build he mass movement whcih is needed to stop the BNP, again. They may not be all of the solution, but have the will to be part of it

Fuck me, it's not just the numbers is it???! Have i said this before somewhere? It's what they choose to do. The SWP could genuinely have 25,000 thousand members and make fuck all difference (or even make things worse...)

 

[durruti02]

Would disagree. The ANL were already having an impact on the NF vote by 1978, and their multi track approach of cultural activities (RAR), propoganda, and physical force were the right tactics to stop them. Yes thatcher had an impact, but withour the ANL, they woudl have had an modest election result in 1979,not the poor one they had in reality

Liek it or not,the SWP seem to be the only organsiation to get the numbers out which are needed to build he mass movement whcih is needed to stop the BNP, again. They may not be all of the solution, but have the will to be part of it

ok lets say the anl had an affect on the NF vote in 79 .. but as the renton article notes i qouted on the deja vue 79 thread

"Between 1977 and 1979, around nine million ANL leaflets were distributed and 750,000 badges sold. Around 250 ANL branches were established. The local groups signed up at least 40,000members, perhaps more. Through donations, the League raised £600,000. Almost as soon as it was raised,the money was spent, most often on leaflets to publicise new campaigns"

no imagine if instead of targeting that on a marginal fascist party the effort had been put into creating a genuine w/c movement pay of would have been considerably bigger! and this IS relevent as it seems the same mistakes are to be made again by the SWP ..

 

[Joe Reilly]

Liek it or not,the SWP seem to be the only organsiation to get the numbers out which are needed to build he mass movement whcih is needed to stop the BNP, again. They may not be all of the solution, but have the will to be part of it

Like it or not the last time the SWP influenced what the far-right did was in 1979. Their efforts thereafter were little short of outright capitulation.

 

[sonny61]

Would disagree. The ANL were already having an impact on the NF vote by 1978, and their multi track approach of cultural activities (RAR), propoganda, and physical force were the right tactics to stop them. Yes thatcher had an impact, but withour the ANL, they woudl have had an modest election result in 1979,not the poor one they had in reality

Liek it or not,the SWP seem to be the only organsiation to get the numbers out which are needed to build he mass movement whcih is needed to stop the BNP, again. They may not be all of the solution, but have the will to be part of it

It was Thatcher who destroyed the NF, with her ''people feel they are being swamped'' comment. It worked for her, and saw the Tories in power for 18 years.

Whatever the SWP do with anti fascism(most of what they claim to have done will be lies), will change nothing. As the capitalist system will stay in place, the same system which they are supposed to be dedicated to replacing.

 

[october_lost]

Like it or not the last time the SWP influenced what the far-right did was in 1979. Their efforts thereafter were little short of outright capitulation.

This is actually backed up if you ever read what fascists put out. There venom for ANL dissipates around about the time AFA came onto the scene.