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500 new members for the SWP?

If the SWP want to push their message, then surely they need to start standing candidates, at least in local elections.

I don't think they will stand under their own colours.

A bit of background:

It is three decades since the Social Workers last stood calling themselves the Social Workers Party. That was just a couple of years after they had declared themselves 'The Party'. (Before that, they had more modestly called themselves the International Socialists.) They were trounced in those elections. They did off-puttingly badly - and were beaten even by Socialist Unity, a little far left grouping cobbled together around the Social Workers' smaller rival, the International Marxist Group.

The Social Workers did not take part in local council or parliamentary elections again until they joined the Socialist Alliance - eight or so years ago.

To everyone's surprise a Socialist Alliance candidate (and Social Worker) was elected to the council in Preston. He won thanks to the support of the local mosque.

From that surprise victory was born the Social Workers next big idea: Islamo-Trottery. By getting together with the Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood (Muslim Association of Britain), the crackpot reactionaries of Birmingham Central Mosque, assorted Muslim businessmen and George Galloway, the Social Workers would ride to the political big time - or so they hoped.

It didn't work. The Muslims and Galloway got fed up with the bossy Trots. Al-Respeq split and the Social Workers were left with a rump. They stood in May as the Lost List and did miserably badly.

If they stand again in the near future it will again be as the Lost List - or possibly as the Lost Alternative - but they don't like doing miserably badly in elections (who would?), so they are likely to stand much less than they did in the old days of the Socialist Alliance or when they were in al-Respeq.
 
I don't think they will stand under their own colours.

A bit of background:

It is three decades since the Social Workers last stood calling themselves the Social Workers Party. That was just a couple of years after they had declared themselves 'The Party'. (Before that, they had more modestly called themselves the International Socialists.) They were trounced in those elections. They did off-puttingly badly - and were beaten even by Socialist Unity, a little far left grouping cobbled together around the Social Workers' smaller rival, the International Marxist Group.

The Social Workers did not take part in local council or parliamentary elections again until they joined the Socialist Alliance - eight or so years ago.

To everyone's surprise a Socialist Alliance candidate (and Social Worker) was elected to the council in Preston. He won thanks to the support of the local mosque.

From that surprise victory was born the Social Workers next big idea: Islamo-Trottery. By getting together with the Islamists of the Muslim Brotherhood (Muslim Association of Britain), the crackpot reactionaries of Birmingham Central Mosque, assorted Muslim businessmen and George Galloway, the Social Workers would ride to the political big time - or so they hoped.

It didn't work. The Muslims and Galloway got fed up with the bossy Trots. Al-Respeq split and the Social Workers were left with a rump. They stood in May as the Lost List and did miserably badly.

If they stand again in the near future it will again be as the Lost List - or possibly as the Lost Alternative - but they don't like doing miserably badly in elections (who would?), so they are likely to stand much less than they did in the old days of the Socialist Alliance or when they were in al-Respeq.

:D:D
 
The SWP (or Swappies as they are commonly known) are a secret branch of the security services designed to both manufacture consent and suppress dissent within the population. A small clique of high level operatives act under a number of guises to ensure that the government is able to maintain the status quo and ensure that popular movements are quickly rendered impotent.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/400886.html
 
The SWP (or Swappies as they are commonly known) are a secret branch of the security services designed to both manufacture consent and suppress dissent within the population. A small clique of high level operatives act under a number of guises to ensure that the government is able to maintain the status quo and ensure that popular movements are quickly rendered impotent.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/400886.html

It's ridiculess to suggest that the SWP could contain a popular movement of millions even if it wanted to.
 
But don’t you see MC5 most people are just mindless sheep waiting to be led by the nose to where ever the SWP wants them.
 
Can someone wake me up when the revolutions happening?

Ta

(Al Respeq...:D Lost List...:D Social Workers...:D)

Oh well...at least Top Tottie Tansy is still about.

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...next to that scary thing in the middle.
 
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The Social Workers did not take part in local council or parliamentary elections again until they joined the Socialist Alliance - eight or so years ago.
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Not quite true - they stood in the elections for the Scottish Parliament in 1999 as SWP and it was a registered party under the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000.
 
The SWP (or Swappies as they are commonly known) are a secret branch of the security services designed to both manufacture consent and suppress dissent within the population. A small clique of high level operatives act under a number of guises to ensure that the government is able to maintain the status quo and ensure that popular movements are quickly rendered impotent.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/400886.html

You mean people really believe that the state is that competent to organise a secret branch of the security services to manufacture consent and suppress dissent? I prefer the theory of the incompetence of the high command of Swappie-ville who might be able to get a gathering of people together at said point on a map to shout favourite slogans ("The [insert name of oppressed group] united, will never be defeated" or "Up the workers, down with the Bourgeoisie/Imperialists/Capitalists/Oppressors/War Mongers/Fascists/[insert name of group they don't like]" or "One solution, revolution") but not know what to do once everyone's there.
 
Marxist in-action

500 students who signed a petition maybe if it had been '300' people might at least have been interesting :D

I'm trying to imagine 300 swappies holding off the Persians with a combination of newspapers, waving signs and offers of party membership.

'This isn't madness, this is The PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTY!'

Chris, a retired university lecturer, who remembers well the decimation of jobs and communities during the Thatcher years, wrote, “I want to make sure that working class communities don’t have to pay the same price again.”

This is taking the piss right? Retired middle class academic joining the SWP? I mean are they deliberately pandering to stereotype adn popular prejudice?
 
They didn't get in, though.

:D

I guessed that.

How badly did they do? Were they beaten by other left factions? Was the SSP or its predecessor in the election?



(Their counterparts in Zimbabwe had an MP for a while. He was elected as an MDC candidate, though, not as a Cliffite Trot Wotsit.)
 
Do i recall the Jesus Army that is the swp was claiming some massive recruitment from Freshers Week Last Year - for one of the Respects? Are these part of the figures? Its all about catching them at their most vulnerable. They've just realised how much debt they are gonna commit themselves to over the next 3 years, when they get 2 1/2 days of shite about their course. Wednessay afternoon they are let off the Freshers leash and they fall into the arms of any old loon. :(
 
I'm trying to imagine 300 swappies holding off the Persians with a combination of newspapers, waving signs and offers of party membership.

'This isn't madness, this is The PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTY!'

What right has this women to speak?

How dare you objectify me i am a marxist feminist and you are a masocinist oppressor etc etc

persian envoy falls asleep and falls into the pit from ensuing lecture
 
Do i recall the Jesus Army that is the swp was claiming some massive recruitment from Freshers Week Last Year - for one of the Respects? Are these part of the figures? Its all about catching them at their most vulnerable. They've just realised how much debt they are gonna commit themselves to over the next 3 years, when they get 2 1/2 days of shite about their course. Wednessay afternoon they are let off the Freshers leash and they fall into the arms of any old loon. :(

In 2006 they claimed 10,000 members of Respect had been recruited on campuses - unfortunately Galloway believed them and put it in his statement to Respect conference. The actual Respect membership that year was just over 2,000, one quarter of the membership of the SWP claimed in autumn 2007.

When the SWP were asked to produce the membership list for the claimed student delegates to the November 2007 conference, the SWP refused and claimed to ask for it was a "witchhunt" of students and the left wing by rightwingers in Respect. They failed to notice that their London councillors were actively courting the Tories and Labour Party, and later went over to them en bloc.
 
You mean people really believe that the state is that competent to organise a secret branch of the security services to manufacture consent and suppress dissent? I prefer the theory of the incompetence of the high command of Swappie-ville who might be able to get a gathering of people together at said point on a map to shout favourite slogans ("The [insert name of oppressed group] united, will never be defeated" or "Up the workers, down with the Bourgeoisie/Imperialists/Capitalists/Oppressors/War Mongers/Fascists/[insert name of group they don't like]" or "One solution, revolution") but not know what to do once everyone's there.
If the SWP hasn't been fully infiltrated, then it'd be about the first movement of it's type in this country that hadn't, and it's actions over the years smack of the security services pulling the strings behind the scenes to me.

I think void's got that pretty much spot on personally.

not that there aren't a lot of well meaning people in the SWP, just they're security service pawns who've not figured it out yet IMO.
 
What right has this women to speak?

How dare you objectify me i am a marxist feminist and you are a masocinist oppressor etc etc

persian envoy falls asleep and falls into the pit from ensuing lecture

So you think the oppression of women is laugthing matter then? :rolleyes:
 
So you think the oppression of women is laugthing matter then? :rolleyes:

no i think how the left conduct gender politics is tho . i have mocked marxsist masculinity on this thread by drawing paralels with the spartans but i did not see you posty to defend them why is that? i have not seen you post on the singlemother thread thread either why is that? so yes i have now mocked marxsist women. Its called consitenency and fairness maybe if the so called self appointed greatleaders of the left had a bit both then they wouldnt be in the position they occupy.
 
If the SWP hasn't been fully infiltrated, then it'd be about the first movement of it's type in this country that hadn't, and it's actions over the years smack of the security services pulling the strings behind the scenes to me.

I think void's got that pretty much spot on personally.

not that there aren't a lot of well meaning people in the SWP, just they're security service pawns who've not figured it out yet IMO.

whereas your average anarchist makes the state quake in its boots? I spent years involved in active work that involved some less than legal activity as part of a left wing group doing antifascist work. We kept completely under the state's radar - within a few months of involvement with a group of anarchists we began to spend the entire time surounded by coppers.

I think 'void' is talking about the space between his ears.

I don't trust the SWP and their politics - but when it comes to 'unconcious state stooges' shouty crack anarchists win out every time - you can virtually guarentee they will do exactly what the law wants them to to so these boys in blue can 'interveine' - and then these same anarchists will winge on about 'state repression. Well, what did they expect, the plonkers? Predictable bunch of idiots. :D
 
:D

I guessed that.

How badly did they do? Were they beaten by other left factions? Was the SSP or its predecessor in the election?
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They stood only in two constituencies and came last in each. The SWP had an informal pact with the SSP not to stand against each other in the constituencies. But the SSP also stood in the list constituencies and won a seat in Glasgow (Sheridan). Sheridan also got a large vote of 5,600 in Pollok constituency.



Edinburgh South
Angus MacKay LAB 14869
Margo MacDonald SNP 9445
Mike Pringle LD 8961
Iain Whyte CON 6378
William Black SWP 482
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Glasgow Cathcart
Mike Watson LAB 12966
Maire Whitehead SNP 7592
Mary Leishman CON 3311
Callan Dick LD 2187
Roddy Slorach SWP 920
 
They stood only in two constituencies and came last in each. The SWP had an informal pact with the SSP not to stand against each other in the constituencies. But the SSP also stood in the list constituencies and won a seat in Glasgow (Sheridan). Sheridan also got a large vote of 5,600 in Pollok constituency.



Edinburgh South
Angus MacKay LAB 14869
Margo MacDonald SNP 9445
Mike Pringle LD 8961
Iain Whyte CON 6378
William Black SWP 482
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Glasgow Cathcart
Mike Watson LAB 12966
Maire Whitehead SNP 7592
Mary Leishman CON 3311
Callan Dick LD 2187
Roddy Slorach SWP 920

Do you mean Solidarity? As far as I'm aware the SWP don't stand candidates. Incidentally, Solidarity are supported by many people in Respect Renewal including George Galloway. Personally, I think the split in the SSP was a tragedy, and I was an admirer of the MSPs on both sides of the split.

FisherGate, What do you think about the Respect Renewal MP calling for a vote for New Labour in Glasgow East in the Daily Record? Has there been any discussion within Respect Renewal on this?
 
Do you mean Solidarity? As far as I'm aware the SWP don't stand candidates. Incidentally, Solidarity are supported by many people in Respect Renewal including George Galloway. Personally, I think the split in the SSP was a tragedy, and I was an admirer of the MSPs on both sides of the split.

FisherGate, What do you think about the Respect Renewal MP calling for a vote for New Labour in Glasgow East in the Daily Record? Has there been any discussion within Respect Renewal on this?

Pre-merger with the ssp, the swp had a pact not to stand against the ssp but did stand seperate candidates.I'm sure they stood in more than two seats,I know they got 700 votes in Aberdeen Central where my mum and dad live.Of course as Fisher Gate's enormous brain holds the results for every election going back to the dawn of time I could be wrong or I could be thinking about the 2001 general election.I'm sure the great sage himself will enlighten us :) .

Bit odd Galloway not supporting Solidarity for the by-election in an article in one of Scotland's biggest circulation newspapers . Sheridan won't be pleased.
 
Aberdeen South it was where the SWP stood in 1999 coming last with an impressive 206 votes. My memory was somewhat over optimistic.
So that's three SWP candidates in 1999 not two as Fisher Gate said.
Could it possibly be that Fisher Gate got it wrong ? :eek: .

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msp/elections/1999/index.htm

Aberdeen South
Candidate Name
Party
Votes Cast

Mike Elrick
Labour
9,540

Irene McGugan
SNP
6,651

Nanette Milne
Conservative
6,993

Nicol Stephen
Liberal Democrat
11,300

Scott Sutherland
Socialist Worker
206

Majority

1,760
 
With less than 0.6% of the vote, Scott Sutherland and the Scottish Social Workers might prefer to forget that election.
 
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