5 Cyclists dead in 1 week in London

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by Utopia, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. han

    han brixton hill hobbit

    You totally can sprint on quiet streets. It's easier, there's more room, lots of people do it.

    I like cycling fast too, and often really go for it. It's much more pleasant doing that if there's plenty of room and no threat of being knocked over.
     
  2. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan razzed up on scrumpy and injustice

    You can't if their are parked cars unless it's a really wide road.
    Or you'd be mad to.
     
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  3. han

    han brixton hill hobbit

    I used to, massively, when I was younger. I value my life a bit more these days...
     
  4. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan razzed up on scrumpy and injustice

    I also expect bikes to slow down on these streets as well as cars and no car should be going down a residential street faster than 20mph
     
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  5. han

    han brixton hill hobbit

    Just go in the middle of the road - what's the problem?
     
  6. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Bulla liberali in perpetuum.

    My local council's recommended cycle route utility took me up several residential streets and made me cross two or three main roads instead of two to try to persuade me not to cycle through a park.
     
  7. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan razzed up on scrumpy and injustice

    I just think it's too fast on a side street. I would only go fast on a main road.
     
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  8. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Bulla liberali in perpetuum.

    I personally find "20MPH" limits outrageous in many side streets.
    I would say 10MPH in a car, perhaps 15MPH on a bike.
     
  9. han

    han brixton hill hobbit

    Well, people are different, aren't they.
    The thing is, you rarely hear of cyclists dying on these quiet sidestreets.
     
  10. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan razzed up on scrumpy and injustice

    It's pedestrians who are more at risk here
     
  11. han

    han brixton hill hobbit

    Yes, but if you're a considerate and observant cyclist, and anticipate potential situations before they happen, no-one will get hurt.

    I've been cycling in London for nearly 15 years, and with this attitude have had no accidents or hurt anyone.
     
  12. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan razzed up on scrumpy and injustice

    So you would cycle down a quiet side street at 25-30mph?
     
  13. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Bulla liberali in perpetuum.

    Here's a narrow street in Bristol I cycle down every day - it has challenging sight-lines - I admit the double door-zone incident was the first time I can remember it happening, but it was food for thought.



    I actually rely on house windows to see around the corner.
     
  14. han

    han brixton hill hobbit

    No.
     
  15. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan razzed up on scrumpy and injustice

    Good! I was talking about sprinting at those speeds.
     
  16. golightly

    golightly I've been gentrified. - :(


    Same here. The Aldwych is one of my favourite stretches of road because it's always busy and I have to concentrate on what I am doing.
     
  17. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

    I'm a pedestrian who doesn't cycle. Of course cyclists have 'the right to the road'. Of course they should have more cycle lanes, improved road design and whatever else will make cycling safer and easier. I'm a big fan of cyclists.

    However, in the same way that other road users should show cyclists more respect, so cyclists must show more respect for pedestrians. That means not cycling on the pavement, not riding through red lights at top speed when people are trying to cross at the green man, not shouting at pedestrians they perceive as being in their way when they're crossing perfectly properly at zebra crossings/green men. I see these things every single day. Unfortunately, a lot of cyclists deny these things happen or play them down as being unimportant presumably because they're not that concerned about the pedestrians involved. I really don't think that helps anyone. If cyclists in general treated pedestrians with a bit more respect, I think pedestrians in general would have a bit more respect for cyclists.
     
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  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    if car drivers took umbrage the way cyclists do when it is pointed out that some of their number are a positive menace there'd be umpteen threads on the issue here. as Sue says, a bit more consideration for pedestrians might see cyclists earn the respect they believe they deserve.
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2013
  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    yeh because no one has ever used a side street as a rat run
     
  20. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Bulla liberali in perpetuum.

    This is a thread about cyclists being killed by motor vehicles.
    That some cyclists are c*nts to pedestrians is irrelevant to the thread.
    Plenty of pedestrians are a great threat to cyclists.
     
  21. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

  22. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Bulla liberali in perpetuum.

  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    :confused:
     
  24. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Bulla liberali in perpetuum.

    How is me saying 20MPH is too fast showing disrespect to pedestrians ?

    I believe residential streets should be sufficiently safe for children to play in them.
     
  25. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Ok. But keep this in perspective. Between 1998 and 2007 in London, 0 people walking on the pavement were killed by cyclists. In that same time period, 54 people walking on the pavement were killed by cars/buses/lorries.

    To a pedestrian walking along the pavement, the real danger is of a car ploughing into to you, not a cyclist. Do you condemn all drivers for the five a year who kill people by ploughing into the pavement? If not, why not, how does your not condemning all drivers fit with your above post?

    tbh I think this society has become rather inured to the annual carnage caused by cars. It seems natural, inevitable, barely worth commenting on. But it isn't. And it is the real issue here.
     
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  26. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baŠĻČned: All

    There's a psychological element at work here, I think. When describing events on the road, we commonly describe vehicles controlled by people as cars, vans, lorries. "that car was going too fast" "that bus was holding up the traffic" "that van suddenly swerved in front of me". Even motorbikes get the same treatment. But because people riding bikes are exposed and obvious, they are "cyclists" not "bicycles". It's much easier to attach their behaviour to the person, rather then the vehicle. It makes the confrontations personal, not mechanical.

    You make eye contact with cyclists, they're people and you hold them up to personal standards of morality. Cars are some sort of hybrid organism that have wills of their own. The machine takes some of the responsibility.

    Maybe, I might be over thinking it.
     
  27. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    No, I think you're onto something. I just reread my post, and I did exactly that, without being conscious of it.
     
  28. Belushi

    Belushi 01 811 8055 R.I.P.

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    Last edited: Nov 25, 2013
  29. han

    han brixton hill hobbit

    Yes. It's seen as 'collateral damage'. It's a non-issue, you're right.
     
  30. pooka

    pooka Can't Re Member

     

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