Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

5 a day but no potatoes

vipper said:
I spent a week near perpignan in march and one thing I absolutely loved was the monster Carrefour supermarket - there were signs up declaring how all the produce was local unless stated.

It's Carrefour that my MCs are courting....thankfully, so far, they are showing a rather Gallic distain for our stupid ideas :)

I have voiced my opinions on a couple of occasions...I'm now known as the office leftie haha!
 
i_hate_beckham said:
2 i believe. You can't eat 5 carrots and go there's my 5 a day though.

It's not to say there is no point in eating 5 carrots a day though. Obviously it is better to eat 5 carrots if that is the only fruit and veg you have than it is to eat one carrot and call it a day.

Same goes for fruit juice, smoothies etc - they only count as one portion even if you drink two glasses. However you'll get exactly the same vits. etc from your second glass, but the idea is to go for variety so you get all the vitamins, fibre etc etc.

The 'rules' are there to guide you towards the best balance with the '5 a day'. You can take the whole thing rather too literally though! :)
 
vipper said:
II spent a week near perpignan in march and one thing I absolutely loved was the monster Carrefour supermarket - there were signs up declaring how all the produce was local unless stated. The lettuce had mud on them and were huge. The peppers were not that uniform shape and full of taste. They had mushrooms that looked like mushrooms you would find in a field.

We're going to France self-catering this weekend and so far our holiday preparation has been to make a giant shopping list for the supermarket. :D

When I first set foot in a French supermarket, the first reaction of my Tesco-addled brain was 'urgh!' at the 'deformed' fruit and veg, and the relative lack of fancy lighting and presentation which is employed in British supermarkets.

Soon got over this though. The food just in a completely different league to British supermarkets. It is also very difficult to buy meat/veg etc shrink-wrapped and pre-packaged - you have to go and get a cut from the in-store butcher instead of waltz off with a pack of 2-for-1 chicken breasts.

Hope the Management Consultants get laughed out of town. :mad:
 
i_hate_beckham said:
The government for a while now have been telling us to eat 5 portions of fruit and veg a day, why though doesnt potatoes count as 1 of those 5 a day? :confused:
I'm inclined to take most of these government eating campaigns with a pinch of salt...only they're trying to get us to eat less of that, too, shh-boom.

But seriously. These campaigns are an attempt to get a message across to people who are often extremely ignorant about the most basic aspects of food and diet. If you say "potatoes are OK", then there'll be a lot of people who will promptly say "yay, I can eat chips 3 times a day!", and end up 10 years later, obese, and lying in the coronary care unit.

It's about a certain amount of common sense. The idea of the 5-a-day thing is to get people to eat more proper vegetables. That means a BALANCE of all kinds of things - salad leaves, green veg, root veg, the whole bit. Living on just lettuce, or just beetroot, or just beans would be about as stupid as living on just chips.

The bottom line here is that heart disease is now our biggest killer. Two of the biggest causative factors of heart disease are high cholesterol and high blood pressure, both of which are affected by diet. It's not black-and-white (I think this is where these "messages" get it wrong - they oversimplify the situation), but it's fairly safe to say that if you're eating a diet that's high in green veg, with moderate amounts of staples like potatoes and rice, and moderate amounts of proteins and fats, you'll be healthier as a result.

A lot of dietary "advice", too, is about marketing. Margarine manufacturers want to emphasise the difference between polyunsaturated and saturated fats, as if that's the only issue, when the real deal is that we need to watch our overall fat intake: worrying about which sort of fats you're eating when you're consuming 3/4 of your daily calorific intake AS fats is like worrying about whether the Titanic went down bow-first or stern-first. Similarly, the fibre thing - it's far better to adapt one's diet to ensure that there's lots of good high-fibre food going in than it is to start faffing about with bread-with-hidden-fibre, although I'll admit that even that is better than no fibre at all.

And the corresponding part of the message, which often gets left aside while everyone goes on about chips and saturated fat, is that the diet is only part of the story: exercise is the other bit. You CAN get to a healthier weight by diet alone, but it's fucking hard if you're not taking any exercise; similarly, you CAN eat like a horse and do fuckloads of exercise, but it's bloody hard to lose much weight or get healthy doing it that way.

At least there's some scope for the concept of "balance" in the 5-a-day campaign, which makes it a bit better than many of the others, but there's also a slight element of the paternalistic "do as we tell you" about it, which still doesn't solve the problem of people just not thinking about what they're eating.

The salt thing, for my money, is probably one of the more important ones. The amount of salt in prepared food is staggering, and we have, as a society, become inured to very high levels of salt in food - you could almost say we're "addicted" to them, because food with less salt in can taste strangely "flat", but salt is a very significant contributor to high blood pressure, and well worth while cutting down on.
 
rutabowa said:
ah that's good... don't chips have the same vitamins in tho? I mean, i know they're not healthy for other reasons...
The best bits, nutritionally speaking, of spuds are *just* under the skin. Most of that gets thrown away when the spud gets peeled.

The Small One is now resigned to the idea that, if I make mashed potato, it'll be skinny mash. It hasn't persuaded her to start volunteering to peel spuds, though. The perfect synergy of laziness and evil cunning, muahahaha...
 
Stig said:
not if it's iceberg lettuce.* ;)

Apparently the darker green it is the more nutritious it is.

*the anti iceberg society i.e. me. :D
Grow rocket.

It's what god would put on his sandwiches, if he existed. And ate sandwiches. Etc.
 
vipper said:
I think it is a sad state of affairs when governments have to encourage people to eat fruit and vege - fruit and vege should be part of every day life. They are the basic building blocks of our diets (or should be, where I live fried chicken and french fries seem to be the 2 staples).

Personally I cannot imagine not eating fruit and vege and always have done.
I get so fucking angry when I think of all the children growing up believing that turkey twizzlers, processed french fries and processed cheese are normal and apples, carrots, and animal products where you can tell that there might have been an animal in field at the end of it somewhere are weird and disgusting.

<...thinks wistfully of childhood at Granddad's allotment...>
<...remembers fondly robbing apples and plums from orchards and stuffing face with them...>
<...wanders out to put brick through window of local fried chicken house...>

Every school kid should be taken to a PYO at least once a year to educate them on where the food comes from and how f'ing delicious fresh stuff is.
They're talking more about getting that sort of thing to happen.

Personally, I think that the "hands-off" free market attitude that the government has had to everything over the last 20 years is a major contributor. I think that a certain amount of nanny-state style social engineering is essential, especially if you have a state-funded NHS that has to pick up the pieces, and the damage that has been done by in particular the commercialisation of the school meals service is, in my view, unforgiveable.

What's scary is that, even when he'd pointed out the horrors of school meals, Jamie Oliver was getting the derriere velocite from the government: he eventually got some kind of commitment out of Charles Clarke, which Ruth "Opus Dei" Kelly promptly welshed on when she got his job. Now they're painting their watered-down version of the scheme as All Their Own Work, but I still don't think it goes far enough.

So I'm not optimistic that all that much will change. Still, at least we don't have Pizza Hut franchises in our school canteens. Yet.
 
vipper said:
Edit to add:

Don't leave, they will always be assholes unless people inside the company voice opinions that are different. Say what you think instead.
Then leave. In a blaze of self-righteous glory :D

On the other hand, you may amaze your employers with your ability to stand up for a cause, and they might decide to take on a more ethical kind of business. Maybe *shrug*
 
vipper said:
No, it has to be a balanced spread out 5 a day

I guess that explains why the bottle of orange juice I bought last night, while professing to contain the juice of 10 oranges, apparently only represents one portion of my five a day..

:confused:
 
pembrokestephen said:
Then leave. In a blaze of self-righteous glory :D

On the other hand, you may amaze your employers with your ability to stand up for a cause, and they might decide to take on a more ethical kind of business. Maybe *shrug*

I can assure you 100% that I work for a bunch of confirmed capitalist bastards who wouldn't know an ethical thought it they fell over it.

These are people who actually recommend to their clients (e.g. supermarkets) that screwing their suppliers (e.g. farmers) to the floor on price is a good idea.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
It's Carrefour that my MCs are courting....thankfully, so far, they are showing a rather Gallic distain for our stupid ideas :)

I have voiced my opinions on a couple of occasions...I'm now known as the office leftie haha!

Lets hope that Carrefour show typical gallic arrogance and lack of respect and tell them to shove it. Although to be honest I expect it is much consumer power as carrefour's caring management that keeps locally sourced produce on their shelves.

My colleagues think I am a bit weird. I quite like that in a way.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
I can assure you 100% that I work for a bunch of confirmed capitalist bastards who wouldn't know an ethical thought it they fell over it.

These are people who actually recommend to their clients (e.g. supermarkets) that screwing their suppliers (e.g. farmers) to the floor on price is a good idea.

I don't see why capitalism can't be ethical. There are examples of good ethics combined with profit. Companies should have their corporate pants fined off of them for non ethical anti social behaviour. For example McDs could be fined £12837198748234712834709786928437569276782.23 for every burger bar.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
These are people who actually recommend to their clients (e.g. supermarkets) that screwing their suppliers (e.g. farmers) to the floor on price is a good idea.

If the consultants think 'screwing suppliers' is a good idea then screw the consultants in the same way. :)
 
WouldBe said:
If 5 portions aday was essential the human race would probably dies out centuries ago.

How many portions of fruit and veg did a caveman get through a day? :p

That doesnt make any sense :confused:

If by cave man u mean a hunter gatherer, then thier diet would have been about 80% fruit and veg.
 
WouldBe said:
If the consultants think 'screwing suppliers' is a good idea then screw the consultants in the same way. :)

Having worked with consultants for a few years my opinion is that they are out to screw everyone including those who pay them. Indiscriminate screwing is the order of the day.
 
Back
Top Bottom