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4 x 4 vs Sports Cars

4x4s off road or being used in the countryside not a problem.
double parked outside my child's school grrrrrrrr:mad:. Driving a huge 4x4 round narrow urban streets just annoys every other road user and makes you look like a cunt. So its the same size as a van but vans are actually doing something useful not just carrying your athsmatic little darling to the ladybird Montessori school:rolleyes:
 
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If I was only allowed one car that is the only one I ever ever ever want.
 
Jonny, where I live it is a simple fact that the larger 4x4s can't get through spaces that other vehicles can. There is no absolute, because the widths of the roads are a continuum -- sometimes you have a bit of road that two superminis can get through without worry and two normal cars can just about squeeze past and anything involving a 4x4 means reversing up the road and sometimes you have a bit of road that requires normal cars to reverse too but a 4x4 has to reverse much further.

I drive these roads every day of my life so I know very well the various permutations that can come about. 4x4s cause a LOT more problems than other cars do. Tractors cause the worse problems, of course, but farmers do actually need those tractors so nobody is going to complain about that. But those massive tank 4x4s are completely unnecessary in all but the rare exception.


Width of Hummer H2 = 81"
Width of Koenigsegg CCGT = 78"

Not a lot between them :p
 
yes, but sports cars go faster and as we all know, as you get faster, you get proportionally longer & thinner, like Concorde did
 
It's fucking hilarious watching 50 year old men trying to maneuver their 4x4s around, especially around the incredibly tight car park, here.

We were pissing ourselves when the twat with the Audi Q8 who usually parks across 2 or 3 spaces because he can't manage to get it into one hit a pillar and tore a load of the side off.

:D
 
Width of Hummer H2 = 81"
Width of Koenigsegg CCGT = 78"

Not a lot between them :p
I'd think that anybody driving a Koenigsegg round our way was a complete twat as well. Plus they really would be fucked with the amount of potholes, piles of dirt/stones and branches that litter the roads.
 
A high centre of gravity means that a typical 4 x 4 is more liable to roll at high speeds that other vehicles.
 
theres a dubai plated hummer on my council estate for some odd reason never seen it move whoever brought it probably can't afford to fuel it :D
its like a reverse tardis huge on the outside only seats 5 on the inside:confused:

but the maddest thing is a lifted hilux sort of road legal monster truck just makes me grin all the time every time I see it :D
 
In a competition between 4x4s and something like an Audi RS6, I'd take the Audi any day.

Theoretically there is no difference - stuff like M3s, M5s, 911s etc all burn fuel as much as 4x4s, all take up stupid amounts of space on the roads - however, there are considerably fewer sports cars around than 4x4s...
 
Theoretically there is no difference - stuff like M3s, M5s, 911s etc all burn fuel as much as 4x4s, all take up stupid amounts of space on the roads - however, there are considerably fewer sports cars around than 4x4s...

No, there is a difference. A pedestrian or a cyclist hit by a Porsche 911 is more likely to survive it than one hit by a Cayenne at the same speed - as, indeed, is someone in a smaller car. That's why - IMO - one is regarded as more antisocial than the other.

Besides, from a driver's point of view I can't see the point of a clunky great 4x4 with a high centre of gravity and a vast turning circle. A decent driver in a hot hatch could leave one for dead on a twisty B-road... :D

That said, what's a 'sports car' anyway? You namecheck the 911, which unequivocally is, but is a big saloon the M5 really a 'sports car'? I think supercars do get some individuals thinking 'wanker,' but there are very few of them about and performance saloons don't elicit the same response. Perhaps in some ways 4x4s are a more identifiable target....
 
....stuff like M3s, M5s, 911s etc all burn fuel as much as 4x4s,..

But interestingly, - less than a Prius - I recall that fabulous item where an M3 followed a Prius round the Top Gear test track and burned a whole lot less fuel.

yes, the Prius' ECU is mapped to show off its eco-prowess only in the urgan cycle - elsewhere, it's an abject waste of space. Do by all means import one frrom Japan or the States, it'll only take 5 years or so for it to catch up with its carbon footprint and become eco-efficient (but that's only if you keep it forever and don't want to send it back to Japan for its toxic heavy metals to be removed).
 
You don't have to pick a Hummer to make the point that 4x4s are ugly. Pick any big SUV you like, from a tank-like Land Rover to that utterly stupid-looking Porsche Cayenne.
 
Yes, well if you're going to drive a Pious like an M3 around a test track it will deliver bad fuel economy - there's a specific driving style which Clarkson et al never use with the Pious when testing which doesn't involve hard acceleration&braking etc. When driven within the specified accel/decel limits, changing gear when expected etc hybrids are more fuel efficient.
 
Come on comrades we need a class based analysis. 4x4s are quite likely to be driven by cashed up working class made good types. This section of society who are individualist, consumerist and not shy about showing it induce nausea in the type of middle class progressive that has the energy and inclination to condemn other people for their choice of car.
 
Yes, well if you're going to drive a Pious like an M3 around a test track it will deliver bad fuel economy - there's a specific driving style which Clarkson et al never use with the Pious when testing which doesn't involve hard acceleration&braking etc. When driven within the specified accel/decel limits, changing gear when expected etc hybrids are more fuel efficient.


The M3 was following the Prius whose driver was instructed to try to make decent progress within the RTA.

Indeed, if you drive anything around like it's loaded with loose eggs then it'll achieve better economy than if you drive it like you actually want to make significant progress.

If you just want to pootle around hideously slowly then why buy a Prius, you could always take the bus instead.
 
You don't have to pick a Hummer to make the point that 4x4s are ugly. Pick any big SUV you like, from a tank-like Land Rover to that utterly stupid-looking Porsche Cayenne.

I reckon Range Rovers are very handsome and a classic, simple design.
 
I'll be honest here - I fucking LOVE Range Rovers. I know they're bad for the environment, anti-social and all that but fuck me, the Vogue SE is a palace on wheels and they sound SOOOOOOO lovely with that burbly engine noise that becomes a throaty roar when you floor it...
 
Even though I have a mostly hate/hate relationship with 4x4s, I think a lot of the public campaigning has its roots in a second-hand US agenda.

Sports Utility Vechicles (i.e. 4x4s) have been (were, at least) close to being the largest selling segment of the US car market for the best part of a decade - medium and large SUVs were taking over a quarter of all sales of US light vehicles for most recent years. It's worth bearing in mind that the largest proportion of these will be made by American motor manufacturers and that some of them are amazingly HUGE, dwarfing a even a relatively large European 4x4 such BMW X5.

Even by the standards of the US motor industry, SUVs are hideously inefficient with fuel. Sub-20 mpg figures seem to be quite common and the growth in their use since the mid-1990s contributed significantly to a drop in the average fuel efficiency of vehicles on US roads.

While there are genuine questions to be asked about how appropriate they are for use on most British roads, especially in cities like London, in the UK, 4x4s sell closer to 7% of the total market. General Motors and Ford gas guzzlers don't really have much of an impact on our market, which tends to favour European car makers. Manufacturer figures for BMW X5 3.0sd come in at 34 mpg (diesel being to all intents and purposes illegal for private cars in California until very recently made selling models like this practically impossible in the US).

In contrast, genuine sports cars sell in tiny proportions. US legislation keeps many European models from even being sold there. The more popular and affordable models are far more fuel efficient than SUVs- for example, the Mazda MX-5 1.8i roadster averages 38.7 mpg. Being tiny and light helps a lot.
 
Doesn't matter anyway, sports car, sports 4x4 or any other car. If you live in a city you'll spend most of your time stuck in the same traffic jam.
 
well mine is both, a sports car with 4 doors AND 4 wheel drive, do I get doubly hated?

(not mine but same colour etc)

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