30% of Britons self-report as racially prejudiced

[Pickman's model]

but then of course, class always sides with class.

not sure if you're being ironic or sarcastic but if this ^^ was the case then there'd be no boss class in the uk now

 

[nino_savatte]

Wasn't John Tyndall related to petty aristocracy?

 

[el-ahrairah]

not sure if you're being ironic or sarcastic but if this ^^ was the case then there'd be no boss class in the uk now

that's true actually. i meant that, in the end, even the soi-disant (i've never used that expression before and i feel dead clever now) socialists and liberals in the media who are from the middle classes always seem to present a paternalistic face towards the working classes, treating them at best like errant children, and at worst like animals who need to be saved from themselves. they always end up telling the working classes which middle class person the working classes should vote for or follow. and always end up acting in the interests of their own class, not ours. see Owen Jones and Laurie Penny etc etc. They always blame working class people for being thick racists when it's private school wankers who are running and funding the racist organisations and are really to blame. Can't have a class analysis, that would actually be dangerous.

But you're right, because class doesn't always side with class. only the upper and middle classes always side with their own class

 

[Pickman's model]

that's true actually. i meant that, in the end, even the soi-disant (i've never used that expression before and i feel dead clever now) socialists and liberals in the media who are from the middle classes always seem to present a paternalistic face towards the working classes, treating them at best like errant children, and at worst like animals who need to be saved from themselves. they always end up telling the working classes which middle class person the working classes should vote for or follow. and always end up acting in the interests of their own class, not ours. see Owen Jones and Laurie Penny etc etc. They always blame working class people for being thick racists when it's private school wankers who are running and funding the racist organisations and are really to blame. Can't have a class analysis, that would actually be dangerous.

But you're right, because class doesn't always side with class. only the upper and middle classes always side with their own class

so the trendy lefty middle class are - in their own eyes - a ruling class in waiting with their parents' contempt for the working class.

i don't think it's true the middle and upper classes always stick together - there have been a lot of good militants out of the middle class, and there are factions within these classes which don't see eye to eye and try to mobilise the working class now and then to support them - political parties, for example.

 

[el-ahrairah]

that's certainly my opinion!

 

[Pickman's model]

that's certainly my opinion!

sorry, i edited so pls review

 

[el-ahrairah]

that's certainly my opinion!

i don't think it's true the middle and upper classes always stick together - there have been a lot of good militants out of the middle class, and there are factions within these classes which don't see eye to eye and try to mobilise the working class now and then to support them - political parties, for example.

that's true, there have been. my statements are pretty sweeping. i was thinking particularly of the all the middle class commentators and friends of friends who have been ranting on facebook the last week. i've seen more anti-working class sentiment amongst liberals and lefties in the last couple of weeks than i have done in the years before it. it seems like working class people are to blame, not the upper middle class leaders of UKIP, bosses, EU beaurocrats, newspaper journalists, british politicians etc etc who have all been creating this situation. it's clear that all the liberals and middle-class lefties seem to feel annoyed with working class people, people whose lives the liberals and middle-class lefties are completely ignorant and dismissive of. i'm angry about it and feel i have seen the true colours of a lot of vague acquaintances recently (*delete* *block* *delete* *block* etc etc); and the anti-working class stuff is fed by a lot of media commentator people whose self-described politics should mean that they should be the ones to stand up to this nonsense, not further the agenda. by doing so they are standing by their class. rather criticise the ignorant and oppressed than have a class analysis

 

[Gramsci]

yeah, i saw that graph too and my data-analyst's experience said that it's within the normal range of fluctuation and the trendline is still that self-reported prejudice is falling.

the most interesting thing is that the greatest increase in self-reported prejudice this time around appears to be amongst wealthy men. probably the most insullated from the effects of immigration, the least likely to suffer any negative knock-on effects from immigration, and the most likely to economically profit from immigration.

Had a look at the survey and says (page 5) that self reported prejudice of unskilled manual was 20% in 1991 and 41% in 2013. For professional/ employers/ managers it was 33% in 1991 and 26% in 2013.

At 20% in 1991 the unskilled manual were reporting the least prejudice of all the higher income groups above them. In 2013 it was the opposite way around.

 

[kraepelin]

I've heard the term hideously white. used to prescribing area lacking in racial diversity. and its alway been by white middle class people who grew up with few friends who are of a different race.

I'm not saying that i don't see color. but apart from the addition of different world foods to eat in the.area. I can't really at this moment think of a difference my friends of a different race bring. Class seems to be more of a defining thing.

Having them explain their the experience of racism in britain is invaluable.

I know i am prejudiced on many fronts, but as a person you seek to never allow it to affect your behaviour.

If i am honesty prejudice based on class was at a time quiet strong.
I couldn't help but feel a dislike of those whos middle classness was obvious.

Reading urban75 really helped me learn grow out of my negative attitude towards the middle class. Which i feel was based on a feeling of inferiority and fear of rejection. and fueled by the assumption that some of the middle class make about the working class.

Its a problem i see with my working class friends of all color, that they will reject things/ideas that they see as middle class. which can be limiting. Quite a few of my childhood friends where quite negative at the idea of me going to lectures and museums.

But given my friends have for the most part always been of mixed race, their might be aspect of being in a mixed area that i take as a given but would be lacking in a mainly.white area

 

[el-ahrairah]

interesting gramsci, thanks for the deeper analysis.