25 quid congestion charge coming in 2009

[London_Calling]

I don't think a 'slight drop' in speeds in central London over a few years proves very much at all.

To my mind it's evidence of more cameras, more pedestrian crossings, more speed humps, more traffic lights at junctions, and much else - in other words, taking these stats at face value is misleadingly naive, imo.

 

[geminisnake]

there is no need to be driving around a congested city in a 4x4. there's no need to be driving around anywhere in one of those

Dunno if anyone has picked up on this(haven't read whole thread) but while I agree with your first comment your second suggests you've never been to a rural area.
Much of the UK could be considered rural. Much of this ruralness suffers from vast amounts of mud on the road, snow, much rain, etc.
Are you suggesting that people walk everywhere? Or use smart cars to deal with these conditions?
Coz guess what they couldn't cope with them.

I'm sure the Forestry Commission has no need for 4x4s, or any of the ghillies on any of the estates, or anyone who lives up a dirt track, or .........

 

[citydreams]

the question was to show that TfL have no control over local councils road planning policies and that all though there is co-operation as you suggest this again will be limited by different agendas... It's too disjointed a policy over all which means that the transportation policy as a whole falls down...

TfL have lots of control, it manages TLRN, the SRN and is 'paymaster general' for the BPRN

If you inisist on criticising policy, which I love to see personally, please give specific objections.

You might like to draw upon this week's House of Commons transport committee's review of the local transport planning process - though you will notice that the criticisms are levelled at the DfT, not TfL.

 

[cybertect]

To my mind it's evidence of more cameras, more pedestrian crossings, more speed humps, more traffic lights at junctions, and much else - in other words, taking these stats at face value is misleadingly naive, imo.

That's what I was obliquely hinting at in my post. TfL used them in that way during the campaign for the introduction of the CC zone.

 

[Roadkill]

To my mind it's evidence of more cameras, more pedestrian crossings, more speed humps, more traffic lights at junctions, and much else - in other words, taking these stats at face value is misleadingly naive, imo.

That was kind of my point. It's certainly nowhere near to proving that more traffic does not lead to more congestion.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

TfL have lots of control, it manages TLRN, the SRN and is 'paymaster general' for the BPRN

If you inisist on criticising policy, which I love to see personally, please give specific objections.

You might like to draw upon this week's House of Commons transport committee's review of the local transport planning process - though you will notice that the criticisms are levelled at the DfT, not TfL.

post a link i'll look at over the W/e