Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
Or a table leg.kyser_soze said:
''25 gunmen march through moss side''
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I have the utmost respect for the work you are doing. I salute you.Kidda said:
Better education and training, quality employment opportunities, well funded community develpment work and regeneration of housing stock can go a long way to resolving the layers of issues that lead someone to take part in anti-social behaviour like this.
However, I feel every time kids get away with doing wrong in public (on buses, in school on the street) and there are no consequences because people are too afraid to challenge them, just cant be bothered, or make excuses for it- the kids's confidence grows.
There need to be more creative solutions (take at risk teens on tours of young offender instituitons and prisons?) but also much more police intervention, more money to YOTs. Consequences HAVE to be made clear to these young people who are making shit and dangerous decisions because they think they can get away with it, parents need some bloody back up.
That story is so scary, the kids are so nihilistic right up until the point when there is no escape and their parents cant rescue them. THEY DONT GET IT. Sorry to shout but its so frustrating. If kids dont face consequences for dangerous stupid behaviour BEFORE they get to the stage where they are in court- they are lost.Kidda said:the one thing that really concerns me above all else is when ive actually talked to some of the young gang members they didnt seem to have any idea that what they were doing was wrong.
A few months back a gang of girls kicked the living shit out of another girl, they were in court the other day on trial, all through the proceedings one of my colleagues said they were sat in the dock, chewing gum, mobile phones going off (in the dock), not really engaging or being interested in what was going on. Then it came to the verdict and they were found guilty and sentanced to 18 months each, these girls started crying and screaming and pleading with the court, all shouting ''why what have we done''.
they had very little if any concept of what they had done was as serious as it was.
Its our job as adults to put the boundaries in place and to say NO.
How does a community say NO to its young people when the young people are made out to be devils in JD clothing that people are terrified to even approach.
sad state of affairs.
Kids will bluff and give you the attitude they have seen their peers get away with. They know it intimidates adults because the've seen how people react to it. It becomes a 'right' to have people back down, they smell the fear and heady scent of power.
Often it seems they suck up the second chances they are given, and consider society/police/courts weak for providing them. Its just a shame that the first time someone says no and means it is in a court room.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
kyser_soze said:
I think you would need an awfull lot of police to deal with that .The army would want lots of blokes and tanks and stuff .And even more tanks and stuff
if they just wanted them arrested rather than blown up .So the police would have to turn up in very large numbers .Probably safer for everyone to let them have their march and nick them later imho .
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
As PT says, it takes a table leg brandished the wrong way to get you dropped by the Met's ARU...
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
It's social cleansing, pure and simple.Kidda said:
If it was purely based on ethnicity, there would be an outcry, but it's okay to discriminate against people who are poor.
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
People keep saying to me, but isn't it dangerous? When they find out my new job is based in the Middle East.zenie said:And they say London's rough
Well, aside from a slight, back of the mind concern that George Bush's forces may decide to accidentally-on-purpose drop a missile on us in the event he strikes against Iran, because he doesn't like people reporting what nasty stuff he's up to, it's really rather safe.
Whereas I personally witnessed one shootout directly outside my flat in Hulme, which luckily didn't go to court, otherwise the police were talking about me having to go into witness protection. Plus there were a couple of others that I didn't see, within a 20-50m radius of my flat. And that's just in the past couple of years.
I'm more likely to get shot in the crossfire of some gang warfare in Hulme than I am to be injured going about my daily life in Doha in the Middle East.
Kidda said:
I've recently been reminded that not only is this true of the authorities/government, it is also true of a lot of 'normal' people's attitude towards the sort of area I live in. The outright contempt shown by some people when I tell them where my flat is is jaw dropping. No wonder there's an us against them mentality breaking out everywhere.
Sorry, dunno where that fits in but felt like saying it. Good luck Kidda
Kidda said:
Aye, true. I been here a year, and I ent never had any trouble- I just keep me head down and do me own thing...
a couple of random observations- on the estate I live on (seven high-rises) none of the flippin street lights work- I walked to the offy the other night, and counted 30 lights that weren't working- I'm literally in darkness until I reach the main road. I don't know if this is part of the governements iniative against guncrime- make it so f*cking dark that no-one can see each other?
The other thing is that you hear a lot of stories, but there's never any resolution- someone got shot in the kneecap outside my flat a couple of months ago- I heard the shot... but I never found out who or why, I just know someone got shot. Or my mate saw someone running into Alexandra park job centre who had been stabbed- again, no-one knows who, no-one knows why (interestingly, they didn't call an ambulance for the poor fucker, the called 5-0) or again- we had a jumper from my block- I saw the body as the dibble were winding up matters, but who or why, I'll never know. it's strange...
But I've never had any shit at all- actually, it's the white kids I get scared of. those guys are psychos. Last time I went to Benchill and Wythenshawe, I think I was lucky to get out alive- they'd batter me just cos I was wearing a fruity purple scarf, those freaks...
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
Maurice Picarda said:
So would we mate, so would we....
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Kidda said:
From the article:
That's a lot of calling for five people.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
That's a huge response?
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Yeah. The armed ones are worth a dozen gangsters, the dogs can lick up the blood and the unarmed PCs can make tea.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
longdog said:This is fucking unbelievable
What we need is a perfectly balanced shoot out between the gangs in a safe area and let them blow each other away. Bunch of cunts.
We have that here. Unfortunately, the areas they choose to shoot it out, are nightclubs, upscale restaurants, and while driving down major streets.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
chainsaw cat said:
I saw a gun call the other night. [Report of a gun in a vehicle.]
I counted 18 police cars. The street was blocked off, the suspect got out of his car to a floodbank of lights, about fifteen officers with guns drawn, and two dog units.
But because of the gang wars going on here, big police response is a bit of a political necessity.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
Crikey.
I thought Canadia was dull and safe?
I thought Canadia was dull and safe?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
chainsaw cat said:
There's been a war on the streets for the past few months.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/08/09/vancouver-shooting.html?ref=rss
http://www.bclocalnews.com/surrey_area/surreyleader/news/10690511.html
I drove by this one about twenty minutes after it happened. A hit on one of the leaders of the Big Circle Boys, outside his five million dollar mansion.
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=52962e05-2f86-4ed0-9433-a458d25e4f40
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/09/10/bc-shooting.html
Last year, standing outside our house, we heard a gun battle. Turns out that it started downtown in gastown, and continued across the cambie street bridge. They found shell casings on the bridge. The last guy got killed about ten blocks away, shot while driving, then crashing his car into a wall.
In fact, it is generally safe here. The gang members kill each other. You just don't want to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Like a karaoke bar or a chinese restaurant on saturday night.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
A karaoke bar is always the wrong place at the wrong time.
I think I'd rather be in a firefight.
unarmed.
Wearing dayglo.
I think I'd rather be in a firefight.
unarmed.
Wearing dayglo.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
chainsaw cat said:
I'm sure you have a perfectly acceptable singing voice....
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Maybe the shootings at karaoke bars have nothing to do with drugs. It's enraged music lovers.
chainsaw cat
Tea. Biccies. Happy now?
It's not the shootings at karaoke bars that bother me, it's the singing.
At least gunshots have rhythm and a forceful delivery.
And they don't go on too long.
At least gunshots have rhythm and a forceful delivery.
And they don't go on too long.
ebay sex moomin said:
worrying thing is nowdays its white young males who are the group who need the service provision being aimed at (im not saying other sections dont, please dont get me wrong, but from hearing stuff on the ground it is this group that is kind of passed by)
As for the original post, well south manc seems to be on tonight.
There is a bunch of angry looking scary types amassing together down this end and the police seem to be running around trying to look for something/stop something
if something doesnt kick off tonight id be surprised.
two ''crews'' of young males seem to have been sent out already
Kidda said:http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1027050_gunmen_march_through_streets
Has anyone else in manc heard about this?
broad daylight and 25 tooled up cunts decided to march around moss side/whalley range in a supposed 'show of strength' firing shots
we've got a huge problem of youth crime and gang activity in this city and the projects who are working with the young people and trying to actively engage them are facing funding cuts, closures and funding battles
is it any wonder that people are starting to feel they can walk around the streets like this.
It's interesting that there seems to be very little mentioned in a lot of media outlets about what happened, we learnt about it from a few detached workers over in that area before the Evening news even decided to run it.
Im doing some group sessions with young people from these areas soon and they are bound to want to discuss this, where do you start to try and explain it?
Makes me glad I don't live in Manchester...
Where to start? I suppose by explaining that there have always been 'gangs' of one sort or another.
But what's happening now is a direct result of what happened a generation ago. Just as there was a rise in working class militancy during the 1970s there was a conscious decision to destroy working class communities in the 1980s, to destroy what was considered as our power bases. So the trade unions were either broken or bought off, council estates were split by the right to buy or not, the state - in the form of the police - attacked certain parts of our communities and tried to split them on racial grounds, drugs like heroin were pushed into our communities, and the previously understood and accepted idea of class was undermined by the introduction of pseudo sociological concepts like an 'underclass'.
PARKLIFE!soulman said:
no, you have a point. another factor was the so-called 'second summer of love'- suddenly drugs were everywhere, and money to be made, and then the gangsters moved in to get their slice of the pie...
Shit, this is the first I've heard about this.
I'm mindful of keeping my head down and avoiding getting into any kind of confrontation around here. It's a damn shame things like this happen around here as as far as I'm concerned Hulme/Moss Side/Whalley Range is an otherwise nice area to live in.
I'm mindful of keeping my head down and avoiding getting into any kind of confrontation around here. It's a damn shame things like this happen around here as as far as I'm concerned Hulme/Moss Side/Whalley Range is an otherwise nice area to live in.
^^^aye, agreed.
first I heard about it too, and they must have gone right past my place. I must have been out, shopping for glocks an bowie knives
first I heard about it too, and they must have gone right past my place. I must have been out, shopping for glocks an bowie knives
I work in Moss Side, have done for 12 years, never had a problem here.
Even as a 17 year old I walked through what was the frontline at all times of day and night, often on my own and not once had anything out of order happen. Some fella occasionally mithers me for 40p outside the chippy which is a drag but he doesn't mind being turned down.
People I don't know let on to me all the time here. Doesn't happen where I live.
I agree with esm though, you do hear stories that never get out of the local area. I heard a couple of those you mentioned.
As for Wythenshawe, I think its pretty bad round there at the moment, been worse than Moss Side for a few years now IMO.
Even as a 17 year old I walked through what was the frontline at all times of day and night, often on my own and not once had anything out of order happen. Some fella occasionally mithers me for 40p outside the chippy which is a drag but he doesn't mind being turned down.
People I don't know let on to me all the time here. Doesn't happen where I live.
I agree with esm though, you do hear stories that never get out of the local area. I heard a couple of those you mentioned.
As for Wythenshawe, I think its pretty bad round there at the moment, been worse than Moss Side for a few years now IMO.
