Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
A what?DarthSydodyas said:
24meg Broadband coming to London
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gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
lobster said:By CD-quality audio , i presume you mean uncompressed audio such as .wav and monkey to name just two.
Each file would be 50 megabyes or so, the general public who don't care so much about sound quality would not want to download a file so big,
If your after sound quality, video quality the retail product cannot be beaten.
I prefare records to cds anyway
I was just musing on the most cost-effective way to deliver 700 MBytes of data to say 1,000 people - I guess it still makes sense to press 1,000 CDs from a master and deliver them physically ....
out of interest, what sort of audio quality is being delivered via "pay per song" ? and is the price lower compared to a CD to reflect the lower quality ?
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DarthSydodyas
rusting
tracert is the [dos] command for Trace Route, which will show you the path between you and the IP you specify, with corresponding ping times for each point your connection goes through.Kid_Eternity said:
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
How do you do that (and what's dos?)?DarthSydodyas said:
DarthSydodyas
rusting
If you do a Start->Run and type cmd to pull up the command prompt, use tracert ip address to get a clearer idea of what is going on with your connection.Kid_Eternity said:
The ip address in this case would be one of your CSS servers (pull up the IP by doing an "info" on the server listings in the game).
For example, to get to a UK CSS server (MegaServer), I get the following:
IP: 213.228.232.27 said:
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Whaaa!? None of that makes sense to me...
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
The whole bloody thread is meaningless to me, Kid Eternity.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Lol!
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
You're connection to the server gets bounced from network hub to network hub untill it gets to the server. Each one of these hops or "legs" has a different physical length, so the signal takes a certain amount of time to travel along it. Then the channel might have a capacity limit, which results in slower transmission as your data gets put in a que etc. (Bandwidth limmits don't just affect home users)
The quoted example shows the different stops your transmission makes on the way to the CSS, and how long it takes to do so. Having said that i've got no clue what the three different numbers represent.
The quoted example shows the different stops your transmission makes on the way to the CSS, and how long it takes to do so. Having said that i've got no clue what the three different numbers represent.
DarthSydodyas
rusting
Three numbers for three seperate packets that are sent out.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
lobster said:
By my calculation 2Mbps = 2MBytes per 8 seconds, 16 MBytes per minute so 4 minutes per track, or a CD-full per hour ..
But I don't think Amazon is threatened just yet - except by all those who choose not to pay at all ....
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lobster
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personally i have only downloaded 16 MBytes per minute, when downloading free software , gnu type.
downloading pirated software and music is distributed amongst 1000000s of people who have all sorts of connections, none of them ever compare to the speed i recieve from gnu downloads.
downloading pirated software and music is distributed amongst 1000000s of people who have all sorts of connections, none of them ever compare to the speed i recieve from gnu downloads.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
Mrs Magpie said:
it's basicaly saying that internet speed which were previously morris minors and have recently been upgraded to ford serrias are now about to go to ferrari speeds
or in book terms
if the old 56k dial up was a leaflet and modern broadband was a paperback romance novel then the new 24 meg bb will be the compleate unabridged works of shakespere complete with stage notes...
dogmatique
merde alors
coopersred
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Anyone know of any provider that does a fixed IP address and an upload speed greater than 256 for around £30?
This is one of the main reasons I'm against local loop unbundling in principle.
In the city centres, there's been a rash of providers including Bulldog, UKOnline and this 24MB lot installing their equipment in the exchanges - if you live there, it's excellent, broadband's becoming cheaper and faster than ever with 512k packages going for as little as £9.99/mo and mega-speeds available for those who want them. But it's nothing more than cherry-picking; the providers are going for the exchanges in the areas with the densest populations while everyone else is stuck paying silly money (upwards of £20/mo) for poorer service.
If it was left to me, there'd be none of this going on - there'd be a publicly-owned provider with a remit to provide an equal service to all areas of the country for an equal cost, similar to pre-privatisation BT.
But I guess those of you posting from Bulldog "fat-band" broadband will disagree
In the city centres, there's been a rash of providers including Bulldog, UKOnline and this 24MB lot installing their equipment in the exchanges - if you live there, it's excellent, broadband's becoming cheaper and faster than ever with 512k packages going for as little as £9.99/mo and mega-speeds available for those who want them. But it's nothing more than cherry-picking; the providers are going for the exchanges in the areas with the densest populations while everyone else is stuck paying silly money (upwards of £20/mo) for poorer service.
If it was left to me, there'd be none of this going on - there'd be a publicly-owned provider with a remit to provide an equal service to all areas of the country for an equal cost, similar to pre-privatisation BT.
But I guess those of you posting from Bulldog "fat-band" broadband will disagree
So the people in densely populated areas should subsidise the people living in the middle of nowhere???!!! I don't understand that line of thinking. People in the city centre can pay the little bit more that it costs for a faster service if they choose. Does that not make sense?chio said:This is one of the main reasons I'm against local loop unbundling in principle.
In the city centres, there's been a rash of providers including Bulldog, UKOnline and this 24MB lot installing their equipment in the exchanges - if you live there, it's excellent, broadband's becoming cheaper and faster than ever with 512k packages going for as little as £9.99/mo and mega-speeds available for those who want them. But it's nothing more than cherry-picking; the providers are going for the exchanges in the areas with the densest populations while everyone else is stuck paying silly money (upwards of £20/mo) for poorer service.
If it was left to me, there'd be none of this going on - there'd be a publicly-owned provider with a remit to provide an equal service to all areas of the country for an equal cost, similar to pre-privatisation BT.
But I guess those of you posting from Bulldog "fat-band" broadband will disagree
dogmatique
merde alors
Lovely sentiment Chio, and I agree with you, but BT's monopoly providing broadband wholesale and setting up the infrastructure has been crushingly slow and piecemeal in the extream. Imagine what it would have been like if they had no imperative to get off their arses?
Look at Eircom in Ireland - they only agreed to unmetered dial-up last year... Their broadband infrastructure is woefully inadequate and behind most of Europe.
Unfortunately, vast monopoly telecom companies like these have been dreadful at getting the network sorted.
Mind you Xanadu, apply your thinking to the post office... would you wish that rural areas had to pay more to post a letter?
Look at Eircom in Ireland - they only agreed to unmetered dial-up last year... Their broadband infrastructure is woefully inadequate and behind most of Europe.
Unfortunately, vast monopoly telecom companies like these have been dreadful at getting the network sorted.
Mind you Xanadu, apply your thinking to the post office... would you wish that rural areas had to pay more to post a letter?
dogmatique said:
I was talking to someone in Ireland the other day - they're on a very strange broadband setup, paying about €50 a month for 2MB down and 100k up! I suppose we have it better than some
But I think it's a little bit wrong that certain areas are having speeds of up to 24MB rolled out while other areas (and we're not just talking the Highlands of Scotland, there are places less than 20 miles from major cities like this) have no broadband service at all.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
chio said:I was talking to someone in Ireland the other day - they're on a very strange broadband setup, paying about €50 a month for 2MB down and 100k up! I suppose we have it better than some
But I think it's a little bit wrong that certain areas are having speeds of up to 24MB rolled out while other areas (and we're not just talking the Highlands of Scotland, there are places less than 20 miles from major cities like this) have no broadband service at all.
is it wrong that there's mobile signal in London and not remote bits of Wales? Of course not, supply and demand innit.
I suppose it depends on whether you see broadband as an essential service or not. I would consider the postal service to be essential. I think the same about the telephone system. I don't think the same about broadband, nor do I think the mobile phone network is essential.
Xanadu said:
But broadband is becoming essential for business to function effectively - people have to be connected to email permanently during the day, which is impossible on dial-up or even ISDN. And imagine living in a city where your mobile phone didn't work - I know I'd be lost without mine these days! I'd call a basic 2G mobile service and broadband of at least 512k essential now.
That's for business to function. For a home user, broadband isn't really essential yet. Dial-up is easily good enough to do e-commerce, keeping up to date with news, and things like that. Dial-up is only really shite for downloading large quantities of data like music, videos and applications. It is possible to be connected permanently during the day by using one of the unmetered packages still available. If you're running a business, you can use a leased line. Businesses can afford luxuries like that. You wouldn't be running a mission-critical business out in the middle of nowhere! Those sort of business need to be in the city, not just for communications, but to be close to their clients and competitors.
Why is a mobile phone essential? It's only essential nowadays because everyone else you need to meet up with has one. I was chatting to someone who used to go to my uni before everyone had phones. They used to meet at a specific time when they wanted to go out, and wouldn't give in to the urge to cancel unless absolutely necessary. When I was at uni, people would cancel their night out on a whim, because they were able to text me, wherever I was/they were, and tell me that they wouldn't be there.
People still get away with not having mobiles and broadband.
btw your other post was mentioning the cost of broadband for people out in the country/small towns. Now you're mentioning mobile phones in the city???
Mobile phones in the city are essential because of the business oriented nature of a city.
Why is a mobile phone essential? It's only essential nowadays because everyone else you need to meet up with has one. I was chatting to someone who used to go to my uni before everyone had phones. They used to meet at a specific time when they wanted to go out, and wouldn't give in to the urge to cancel unless absolutely necessary. When I was at uni, people would cancel their night out on a whim, because they were able to text me, wherever I was/they were, and tell me that they wouldn't be there.
People still get away with not having mobiles and broadband.
btw your other post was mentioning the cost of broadband for people out in the country/small towns. Now you're mentioning mobile phones in the city???
Mobile phones in the city are essential because of the business oriented nature of a city.
scott_forester
probably talking shite
I'm waiting for a DSL connection with QoS.
stdPikachu
Plughole in bathtub curve
Xanadu said:
With the proliferation of increasingly huge 1MB web pages I'm inclined to disagree with you.
Granted, the colossal increase in page size is usually due to increasingly huge and irritating flash ads, but as soon as I switch to a computer on dialup that isn't maintained by me (i.e. no ad blockers, proxies, etc) it's not uncommon for pages to take minutes to load.
And don't even get me started on the practice of some ISP's blocking VPN ports on consumer broadband, which stops an awful lot of people being able to work from home. The telecoms industry in this country is in a right state (granted, Eire is worse - there's a guy I know in Ireland who also pays about £40 a month for 512/100 ADSL) and I just hope OfCom have enough tons of bricks to sort it out.
scott_forester said:
QoS isn't something the DSL connection handles. That's something that either the host computer or the router has to do. There's already alot of QoS capable routers like the DrayTek's on the market, or you can make your own.
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