20 Parallels of Zionism with Nazism .. wtf ..

[frogwoman]

It's probably as old as history itself. The settlers of NA used it, the Romans used it, the German settlers of Britain used it, the expansive tribes of New Guinea and Micronesia used it, etc.

yeah, but were in the 21st century, theres no need for a country that depicts itself as a western democracy to do that any more ...

 

[ymu]

If wikipedia says it, it must be so!

Wikipedia is generally rather accurate on matters of easily establishable fact. You could always check the Rome Statute yourself.

Article 8
War crimes

1. The Court shall have jurisdiction in respect of war crimes in particular when committed as part of a plan or policy or as part of a large-scale commission of such crimes.

2. For the purpose of this Statute, "war crimes" means:

(a) Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
...

(b) Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:
...
(viii) The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;

http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/99_corr/2.htm

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Wikipedia is generally rather accurate on matters of easily establishable fact. You could always check the Rome Statute yourself.

There it is.

What is the definition of 'Occupying Power' in the convention, and does Israel come within it? What is the converse of Occupier, and do the Palestinians fall within that definition?

And would the forcible removal of the jewish settlers from Gaza by the Israeli govt, constitute compliance with the Convention?

 

[durruti02]

We're into micro-analysis again.

If the Israelis said to the Palestinians, you can have the whole of the West Bank and Gaza (ie just give the Palestinians something, for fuck's sake...) and we will agree not to manipulate the US into bombing any other Islamic state, can we work a deal? I reckon the whole world would work a deal.

But the Israelis have this zionist ideal, expressed in the two blue lines of their flag (which represent the Euphrates and the Nile) which says that their destiny is to control the whole of the Middle East as we know it.

And that is why intelligent people curse them and their nation. Because they are not happy with what they've got. They want more. And more. And eventually, they will push until the whole world is on the brink.

sorry this is rubbish ..

absolute rubbish so US policy in Iraq is jewish manipulation???

and the zionists (aka the jews) want to control from the nile to the euphrates?? absolute rubbish ..

and dangerous rubbish, as like the OP, it creates a false monster a golem a body without a soul that must be put down ..

 

[durruti02]

to be fair though, the nazis arent the only ones to have created settlements with the intention of expansionism and keeping "unruly" areas under control, dispossessing the rest of the people. iraq under saddam, russia and more recently, china have all done it ... not that that makes it much better

Saddam's iraq was the only other country since WWII to use house demolitions as a collective punishment, btw ...

this is as you say common to pretty well all states which are also all by definition nationalist - israel has elements of coporatism that can be associated with simple fascism as in Italy and Eire and it again like all states has its myths it uses .. but to claim that it is like NAZISM with it's history is outrageous

 

[durruti02]

Still a war crime, whatever you call it.

yes but it happens happened to pretty well all states .. what i think we need to look at is why the concentration on israel? ok yes cos it is happenning as we speak .. and it should be protested ( tough as i say for what worth ) but so is much much other wrong .. nigel and cocinelle and others have said some really f'ing dodgy stuff about all this .. it MUST make alarm bells ring

 

[durruti02]

anyway why did this thread get moved??? do all threads on israel get moved??

 

[ymu]

And would the forcible removal of the jewish settlers from Gaza by the Israeli govt, constitute compliance with the Convention?

Yes.

 

[ViolentPanda]

those 20 parallels look fairly valid to me...

Yeah, but let's face it, with some of the Judaeophobic crap you've spouted on these boards, you would think that, wouldn't you?

 

[ViolentPanda]

to show what is circulating ..

This has been circulating for absolute ages in one form or another.

I remember when it was "10 parallels..."

 

[durruti02]

This has been circulating for absolute ages in one form or another.

I remember when it was "10 parallels..."

fair play .. not seen it before .. must spend more time on Stormfront!

was e198689 who posted it .. any comments?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

another jewish thread duritti....

well we didn't see that one coming eh?

why not spell out your real agenda here precisely with this constant attempts to polticse things for your own ends.

what exactley are you hoping to get out of this?

 

[ViolentPanda]

fair play .. not seen it before .. must spend more time on Stormfront!

You don't need to look on Stormfront, it turns up everywhere. There's always some credulous person who's heart is in the right place, but who doesn't look deep enough to identify the contradictions, who'll post it up.

was e198689 who posted it .. any comments?

See above.

 

[ViolentPanda]

another jewish thread duritti....

well we didn't see that one coming eh?

why not spell out your real agenda here precisely with this constant attempts to polticse things for your own ends.

what exactley are you hoping to get out of this?

Who knows?
We may be fortunate enough to be witnessing him try to educate himself about something.

Or maybe not.

 

[durruti02]

You don't need to look on Stormfront, it turns up everywhere. There's always some credulous person who's heart is in the right place, but who doesn't look deep enough to identify the contradictions, who'll post it up.

See above.

fair play

 

[durruti02]

Who knows?
We may be fortunate enough to be witnessing him try to educate himself about something.

Or maybe not.

dear oh dear .. being partly jewish ( mother's mother's mother etc ) and from a labour party family with an older sister who got into the palestinian cause ( briefly) in the early 7ts this is NOT something new for me .. just don't talk about it much on urban ( there is little we can do about it and we need to sort out here first! ) ..

but, just as you say above, i find it depressing how well meaning people, rightly disgusted at the actions of israel / IDF both do not always understand the jewish context ( decades indeed centuries of pograms leading up to the holocaust) AND fall into these traps over and again .. nigel cocinelle e1986 etc have all come out with dodgy's in the last week .. so i felt i had to say something

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

dear oh dear .. being partly jewish ( mother's mother's mother etc ) and from a labour party family with an older sister who got into the palestinian cause ( briefly) in the early 7ts this is NOT something new for me .. just don't talk about it much on urban ( there is little we can do about it and we need to sort out here first! ) ..

but, just as you say above, i find it depressing how well meaning people, rightly disgusted at the actions of israel / IDF both do not always understand the jewish context ( decades indeed centuries of pograms leading up to the holocaust) AND fall into these traps over and again .. nigel cocinelle e1986 etc have all come out with dodgy's in the last week .. so i felt i had to say something

i'm sorry but really fuck off you patronising twat...

really just fuck off.

not content with your fucking patheitic anyalsis of the sbuject matter which you have no fucking idea of whatsoever other than trying supriousely claim some frame of refference for which clearly by anyones standards is merely personalised hearsay you then go on to espouse nationalist view points dismiss solidarity and infer anyone involved is judeophobic becuase they aren't as a breast of what you think they should be....

fucking quality trolling son quality...

 

[nino_savatte]

to be fair though, the nazis arent the only ones to have created settlements with the intention of expansionism and keeping "unruly" areas under control, dispossessing the rest of the people. iraq under saddam, russia and more recently, china have all done it ... not that that makes it much better

Saddam's iraq was the only other country since WWII to use house demolitions as a collective punishment, btw ...

It happened in the former Yugoslavia too.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It happened in the former Yugoslavia too.

And in mandate Palestine.

 

[rachamim18]

Frogwoman: "Settlements," at least from a governmental perspective, even from that of Arik who is considered the architect of the movement werre for security, not for expansionism, although some did end up arguing for that.

The original consideration concerned a Blitzkreig push in from either Gaza and "WB," as this had already happened to us. We saw it as a protective beltway, if you study the history of the movement you will see the straategically placed outposts that predated the nonsense.

The nonsense did come from Go as well, but was tiny and began in my family's hometown of Hebron by the way if you care to check it.