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20 Parallels of Zionism with Nazism .. wtf ..

Have you stopped for a moment to think about the requirements for being accepted as a Jew by the state of Israel, and conversely about that state's 2002 marriage laws?

Have you heard of the arguments over what conversions are valid?
The point I was reffering to was purity of blood. Given the wide racial divergence of Jews who have been accepted the point raised was utter bollox. You have raised a straw man by stating that because Israel will not accept cross border marrages between Arabs as an entitlement to citizenship it is obsessed with blood purity.
 
So it's not a single bloodline (though some of the Falasha may still be wondering).

But the practical requirements of the state of Israel are that to be a mensh, you need the right ancestors, several generations back.
 
So it's not a single bloodline (though some of the Falasha may still be wondering).

But the practical requirements of the state of Israel are that to be a mensh, you need the right ancestors, several generations back.

I love that word, mensch. In German it means to be a human being. Not sure about ancestry but I always took it to be a man of the people. It's weird hearing Yiddish where I live as I understand quite a bit. The Germans and the Jews, inexorably linked throughout history. Maybe that's why the comparisons exist.
 
I love that word, mensch. In German it means to be a human being. Not sure about ancestry but I always took it to be a man of the people. It's weird hearing Yiddish where I live as I understand quite a bit. The Germans and the Jews, inexorably linked throughout history. Maybe that's why the comparisons exist.

yep. we are, always have been ...
 
We're into micro-analysis again.

If the Israelis said to the Palestinians, you can have the whole of the West Bank and Gaza (ie just give the Palestinians something, for fuck's sake...) and we will agree not to manipulate the US into bombing any other Islamic state, can we work a deal? I reckon the whole world would work a deal.

But the Israelis have this zionist ideal, expressed in the two blue lines of their flag (which represent the Euphrates and the Nile) which says that their destiny is to control the whole of the Middle East as we know it.

And that is why intelligent people curse them and their nation. Because they are not happy with what they've got. They want more. And more. And eventually, they will push until the whole world is on the brink.
 
n israel recently, there have been a whole lot of people from Peru and that sort of place being allowed in on the basis that they were descended from long lost tribes, basically random countries all around the world, and most of these people weren't even jewish, they just claimed to be in order to be allowed in, and they were allowed in because Israel needed more people to immigrate to it in order to "defend" it, based on the most spurious connection to judaism.
AFAIK, they had no prior connection to Judaism until a settler rabbi decided he wanted reinforcements.

The miracle of the creation of this community of new Jews has to be chalked up wholly and exclusively to the credit - or debit - of the chief rabbinate of Israel. At the order of the Ashkenazi chief rabbi, Israel Meir Lau, a delegation of rabbis travelled to Peru. During their two weeks in the country, they converted 90 people to Judaism, most of them of Indian origin.
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The rabbis converted only those who said they were willing to emigrate to Israel immediately. "We laid down that condition because in the remote areas where they live, there is no possibility of keeping kosher and it was important for us to ensure that they would live in a Jewish environment. In fact, there was no need for the condition because they were in any case imbued with a love of the land of Israel in a way that is hard to describe," says Rabbi David Mamo, the deputy president of the conversion court.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/07/israel1

The point I was reffering to was purity of blood. Given the wide racial divergence of Jews who have been accepted the point raised was utter bollox. You have raised a straw man by stating that because Israel will not accept cross border marrages between Arabs as an entitlement to citizenship it is obsessed with blood purity.
The marriage laws are part of the creeping apartheid between Jewish and Palestinian inhabitants. However, there is a lot of racism in Israel based, at least in part, on "blood purity". The Ethiopian Jews are treated the worst, along with the Russians - both regarded as "not real Jews" by the orthodox nutters. The Ethiopians because they are black, the Russians because they don't have to prove Jewish ancestry in order to claim citizenship. Arab Jews are somewhat better off, with European Ashkenazim having the highest status.

The same historical process that dispossessed Palestinians of their property, lands and national-political rights, was linked to the dispossession of Middle Eastern and North African Jews of their property, lands, and rootedness in Muslim countries. As refugees, or mass immigrants (depending on one's political perspective), we were forced to leave everything behind and give up our Iraqi passports. The same process also affected our uprootedness or ambiguous positioning within Israel itself, where we have been systematically discriminated against by institutions that deployed their energies and material to the consistent advantage of European Jews and to the consistent disadvantage of Oriental Jews. Even our physiognomies betray us, leading to internalized colonialism or physical misperception. Sephardic Oriental women often dye their dark hair blond, while the men have more than once been arrested or beaten when mistaken for Palestinians. What for Ashkenazi immigrants from Russian and Poland was a social aliya (literally "ascent") was for Oriental Sephardic Jews a yerida ("descent").

http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/arab_jew.html
 
We're into micro-analysis again.

If the Israelis said to the Palestinians, you can have the whole of the West Bank and Gaza (ie just give the Palestinians something, for fuck's sake...) and we will agree not to manipulate the US into bombing any other Islamic state, can we work a deal? I reckon the whole world would work a deal.

But the Israelis have this zionist ideal, expressed in the two blue lines of their flag (which represent the Euphrates and the Nile) which says that their destiny is to control the whole of the Middle East as we know it.

And that is why intelligent people curse them and their nation. Because they are not happy with what they've got. They want more. And more. And eventually, they will push until the whole world is on the brink.

nah, the israeli flag represents the two lines of the jewish prayer shawl ...

criticise israel and zionism by all means, but at least know what it is you're criticising before you do ...

i think it highly unlikely that, G-d forbid, greater israel will ever happen. people there know what is going on, and increasingly israelis are getting more and more upset with it. there is no way they would manage to subdue the whole of the middle east. Israel, that is the most hated country there, for fucks sake, think about what you're saying. they are talking about the "zionist state" itself not surviving beyond another 25 years, anyway ...
 
AFAIK, they had no prior connection to Judaism until a settler rabbi decided he wanted reinforcements.

The marriage laws are part of the creeping apartheid between Jewish and Palestinian inhabitants. However, there is a lot of racism in Israel based, at least in part, on "blood purity". The Ethiopian Jews are treated the worst, along with the Russians - both regarded as "not real Jews" by the orthodox nutters. The Ethiopians because they are black, the Russians because they don't have to prove Jewish ancestry in order to claim citizenship. Arab Jews are somewhat better off, with European Ashkenazim having the highest status.

lol, nutters .

im fucking ashamed of them, i can tell you.

Fuck, if it had been done differently from the 1890s on then it could have worked.

cunts, absolute cunts ...

:(
 
And that is why intelligent people curse them and their nation. Because they are not happy with what they've got. They want more. And more. And eventually, they will push until the whole world is on the brink.

Yes, before they just used to curse them. Now they've got a whole nation to curse aswell. :rolleyes:
 
zionism isn't nazism, but the fact that the israeli gov't ignores people who dont "fit" with the ideal of the "chosen land" and attempts to make "facts on the ground" to fit the theory, shows that it in some ways is similar to other fascist movements

This sounds like it might mean something, but I'm not sure that it does.

Which 'other' fascist movements are you referring to? Does the fact that you say 'other', mean that you consider Israel to be a fascist state?

And what does 'make facts on the ground' fit the theory, mean? How does Israel do it, and how did these 'other' fascist movements do it?

What 'theory' is it that Israel is applying?
 
This sounds like it might mean something, but I'm not sure that it does.

Which 'other' fascist movements are you referring to? Does the fact that you say 'other', mean that you consider Israel to be a fascist state?

And what does 'make facts on the ground' fit the theory, mean? How does Israel do it, and how did these 'other' fascist movements do it?

What 'theory' is it that Israel is applying?

nah, i mean other fascist movements apart from nazism. i'm not sure if you can call it a fascist state.

and i mean stuff like the whole idea of "transfer" (which i actually first heard about from someone who supported the idea, btw), settlements, basically all the stuff that they do ...
 
We're into micro-analysis again.

If the Israelis said to the Palestinians, you can have the whole of the West Bank and Gaza (ie just give the Palestinians something, for fuck's sake...) and we will agree not to manipulate the US into bombing any other Islamic state, .

...and you agree to get Hamas etc to stop firing rockets into Israel from Gaza, and get them to give up their desire to eradicate Israel from the map...
 
This sounds like it might mean something, but I'm not sure that it does.

Which 'other' fascist movements are you referring to? Does the fact that you say 'other', mean that you consider Israel to be a fascist state?

And what does 'make facts on the ground' fit the theory, mean? How does Israel do it, and how did these 'other' fascist movements do it?

What 'theory' is it that Israel is applying?
I'm not sure that the use of the term fascist is correct, but one key parallel with Nazi tactics in Europe is settling civilians in occupied territory. I find it hard to believe you haven't heard the term "facts on the ground" with reference to Israel.

Israel's policy of creating "facts on the ground" in the Occupied Territories since 1967 has often been based on the assumption that should the state eventually be forced into some kind of negotiated "compromise", the more land that has already been colonised then the more crumbs there are to toss from the table. The policy also exemplifies Israel's strategic essence: more land, fewer Arabs.

Aspects of the policy range from settlements, land confiscation, expulsion of non-Jewish inhabitants and theo-archaeology. And now, of course, the wall which cuts deep into existing Palestinian territory.
 
to be fair though, the nazis arent the only ones to have created settlements with the intention of expansionism and keeping "unruly" areas under control, dispossessing the rest of the people. iraq under saddam, russia and more recently, china have all done it ... not that that makes it much better :rolleyes:

Saddam's iraq was the only other country since WWII to use house demolitions as a collective punishment, btw ...
 
I'm not sure that the use of the term fascist is correct, but one key parallel with Nazi tactics in Europe is settling civilians in occupied territory. I find it hard to believe you haven't heard the term "facts on the ground" with reference to Israel.



Aspects of the policy range from settlements, land confiscation, expulsion of non-Jewish inhabitants and theo-archaeology. And now, of course, the wall which cuts deep into existing Palestinian territory.

Hm, interesting. No, I hadn't heard the term, but of course I've heard of what one might call 'right of eminent domain' created by having settlers in an area.
 
to be fair though, the nazis arent the only ones to have created settlements with the intention of expansionism and keeping "unruly" areas under control, dispossessing the rest of the people. iraq under saddam, russia and more recently, china have all done it ... not that that makes it much better :rolleyes:
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It's probably as old as history itself. The settlers of NA used it, the Romans used it, the German settlers of Britain used it, the expansive tribes of New Guinea and Micronesia used it, etc.
 
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