Are you taking the piss? Working it out, I pay about four and a half grand on rent, food and travel per year. £25k is a hell of a lot of money.
20 - 30p added to everything ... AGAIN!
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I get the bus and tube everyday and am surprised how few kids I see. Buggys etc can be a pain on the bus, but that's hardly their fault is it?
The trouble with you is that you tend to bury the germs of truth in your posts under an immense amount of half-truths, exaggerations and bullshit.
Kanda
Diving wanker
That's really fucking cheap!! Just my rent and travel costs £6300 and I thought that was cheap!! You live in London??
What if London's your hometown and you have kids but feel you can't support yourself/them there any more? Hardly fair.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
TBH if you're paying for a bedsit and stinging yourself for full ctax and bills etc you'd be pushing it, even so a quick look on Gumtree reveals...
Studios on N.London seem to be from £70-£295 p/w (the barbican that last one!), so let's say £150 p/w for argument's sake...say £650 pcm
+ £110 for ctax (that's based on what we're paying on a 2bed flat in Tulse hill
+ £80 monthly travelcard Z1+2
+ £150 pcm for utility bills
=£990, leaving £510 for phones, food and socialsing, about £125 per week.
Way more than enough if you've no dependents even on this scale, live in shared house and you can probably knock £100-£200 a month off the rent, reduce the ctax bill by half-2/3, same with utility bills...
I'd get my arse into a shared house - you'd still be sharing a shower, still only have one room (find a good houseshare and your bedroom could be huge, meaning you never need to speak to your housemates), and your rent and bills would be about 1/3 cheaper each month.
While I can see a vague point in 'I should be able to live on my own', you'd be saving yourself a packet by moving to a share house...
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
or london's your hometown and you'd like to have kids?
Crispy
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Well instead of using that as your data source...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6729953.stm
Even though we're at a 26 year high, we're still not having more than 2 children per couple - the replacement rate. We're currently relying on immigration to keep our population steady.
_angel_
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London's just not fair fullstop I don't know how anyone actually manages to live there with kids on an average wage.
I wouldn't want to bring children up in London though, regardless of the cost of living.
TrippyLondoner
Well-Known Member
Yeah its bloody annoying(in reply to the op), though i havent noticed as dramatic a change as that, its annoying how things just go up up up and never down.
Nah, I just wanted to poke the Southerners. Council tax is a problem, but we've been dealing with that by just ignoring it and hoping it'll go away
Seriously, London sounds fucking mental. Hometown or not, I'd have been long gone by now.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Or with their parents. Or getting into debt.
Andy the Don
Wise men say only fools..
To much cheap credit not enough saving & people spending all that cheap credit on shit they do not need. Most of the shit they are spending the cheap credit is not produced in the UK. Leading to bad balance of trade & cashflow leaving the UK, not being reinvested in UK. I could go on but I wont. Deffinitly we not get started on celebs & the braindeads who follow their every whim.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
The amount I pay in rent has been pretty static for about 10 years now - between sharing a 1 bed flat in forest hill with my ex, to sharing a 2 bed in tulse with Wry, it's hovered around the £400 mark, so my own personal inflation is clearly much lower than many...
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
A lot of people do. A lot of people I know are trapped in rather hellish houseshares with too many people (some of which have, shall we say, personality disorders like stealing and going into other people's rooms without permission, taking over the communal areas etc etc).
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Yep - that as well.
Not that it solves the overall problem of things being really fucking expensive, do you not know anybody else living on their own you'd be willing to do a houseshare with?
zenie
>^^<
Nah you can get some cheapo houseshares if youre not in an expensive area. My mate pays about 300 a month in mile End.
However, the people he lives with are a bit odd, and hoard unwashed crockery in their room.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Yes, but not all of them do that - I've never had a problem with housemates in my time in London.
You'd be saving yourself cash and could probably get a better standard of accomodation by housesharing, but hey don't let that get in the way of your hearsay objection to house sharing. Bite the bullet, try it for 6 months and save some cash...
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Apparently your rent hasn't gone up, good for you, but mine fucking has. Also, the market for shared property has definitely changed over the last ten years. The whole "spaced" happy flatshare community thing seems to be moving away - possibly because people are staying in those places and not advertising for new flatmates, when it used to be a stepping stone to getting your own place - in favour of (a) people who want someone to cover the rest of their mortgage, a lodger rather than a flatmate, which is a very dodgy way to live in my experience if you're the lodger and not good long term, and (b) people who BTL, divide a place up into rooms and rent to anybody, sometimes without telling other people living there first.
At one time, the left would have made political capital out of the real and burgeoning cost of living, in Tesco, milk, cereals, eggs, have gone up considerably and it is certain as world prices of grain, etc, rises this will feed into the food chain. And of course, utilities etc, have risen exponentially. I agree with Madzone and Poster, there is a bit of the 'Lady Bountiful' from some of the posters here: its ok making do, nowt wrong with being poor, etc,
btw, what about the pensioners who have to make the choice to 'heat or eat' and it estimated that 25'000 people die due to factors related to fuel poverty every year.
btw, what about the pensioners who have to make the choice to 'heat or eat' and it estimated that 25'000 people die due to factors related to fuel poverty every year.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Those would be all the Aussies and Saffirs in Earl's Court then?
Crispy
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Things ARE very fucked up, but posternumbers is far from the poverty line. Many people really cannot afford to live in London, and many other places, but 25k is MORE than adequate to live a comfortable life in London. Hence the WTFs.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Do you know what 'exponetially' means?
Don't bite my head off for it, there's loads of flat and house shares out there for the kind of money I'm willing to pay, you just have to look for them.
_angel_
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I got into loads of debt off credit cards just struggling to buy bits of shopping at the end of the week... not buying lots of widescreen tellies. Maybe luxuries like - a pair of shoes for my kids.
People like you seem to think only greedy/lazy/stupid people get in debt.
Plenty of people in this country live in poverty and they're precisely the ones you want to *tighten their belts* even more.
How are you supposed to save on the minimum wage/ benefits with food, housing, fuel and transport rising and wages not??
Crispy
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You can't. You're fucked. It's a catastrophe waiting to happen (the collapse of this debt-fuelled and grossly unequal economy)
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Just to clarify; I earn less than £25K. It was kyzer-soze who was on that amount.
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