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1999 London Nail-bombings Investigation Documentary 8/1: one to watch

Steve Booth said:
Hope this is helpful,
No.

It isn't.

Because it adds absolutely no new detail whatsoever.

And nor is your attempt to prove that my statement must be false because of logic. I understand your logic ... but it is totally irrelevant. YOU claim that DCS Bunn admitted that Copeland was being followed. I say he didn't. You have failed to prove he did, other than simply repeating the same old mantra.

This is going round and round in circles. In the absence of any more detail it's a waste of time. You have made an allegation which you have not substantiated. It's as simple as that.
 
And even if it were the case that Copeland was followed, and lost, it would prove nothing.





You'd think L O'H and SB would have absorbed the basics of losing a tail, wouldn't you?
 
Steve Booth said:
Above people complained the summary I provided assumed people had read the original article. It's difficult to summarise this because there is so much in there. Anyway below is an 860 word attempt at this.

DAVID COPELAND

[NFB, Winter 2000-2001, pages 14 - 37.]
In April 1999, a series of three nail bomb attacks took place in London. On Saturday 17th April, a bomb exploded in Brixton. On 24th April, a second went off in Brick Lane. On Friday 30th, the third attack, on the Admiral Duncan gay pub in Old Compton Street, Soho, killed three people. Over the three attacks, 79 people were also injured. On Saturday 1st May, David Copeland, a 22 year old fascist, was arrested in Cove, Hampshire. On 30th June 2000, Copeland was sentenced to life imprisonment for the attacks.

A number of questions are asked through the three NFB articles - [NFB 3, NFB 5, 2003/04 pages 16 - 19, NFB 6, 2005, pages 43 - 47] Several themes occur:

(1) How soon was Copeland identified as the bomber?
Why did it take 12 days for the Brixton photograph to be released?

(2) When and how did it become known that gays were a known target?
Was Copeland tailed by police and lost?

(3) Did Copeland have accomplices?
Material about his political trajectory through the BNP and NSM.
The possibility of secret state influence or manipulation.

(4) What are the implications of the state / media cover up?
The co-option of the LGBT advisory group.
Searchlight's activities during the bombing campaign and after.
The 261 + club.

CCTV coverage of Copeland's activities, offered at his trial, had a number of gaps, and time-frame discrepancies, which suggest he may have met up with others, or have been followed, particularly in Brick Lane. More significant is the 12 days delay between the Brixton bomb and the release of the picture. Media shuffling with regard to the Brixton picture is also indicative. It was claimed the pictures from the Brixton Iceland supermarket had to be sent to the USA for enhancement, but the picture which brought eventual public identification was from a street camera. The Brixton bombing brought a great deal of police attention down on the district whereas the police were much less interested in the Brick Lane attack.

Warnings the gay community were to be targets were passed from the intelligence community to gays via gays in the military group member Duncan Lustig-Prean, on the 'Digital Diversity' website, 24th April 1999, and via David Northmore in the 'Pink Paper' which went to press 3 days before the third attack. Interestingly, both of these back-tracked afterwards, denying their foreknowledge. Prior to the last attack, police visited just four gay venues, to issue warnings, three of which were in Old Compton Street.

Copeland was at one point, a member of the BNP. He was present on 20th September 1997, when BNP leader John Tyndall was attacked by anti-Fascists in East London. Testimonies differ as to how many BNP meetings Copeland attended. 'Searchlight' made much of his proximity to Tony Lecomber, a BNP member previously jailed for bombing (1985). At the trial it was stated that Copeland downloaded bomb manuals off the internet in April 1997, prior to meeting Lecomber. Other BNP people who may have influenced Copeland are also named.

In late 1998, Copeland joined the NSM (National Socialist Movement, a small Combat 18 splinter-group). One figure associated with this, David Myatt, was said by 'Searchlight' to be the author of the 1993 Yorkshire 'White Wolves' document, urging racial war, and suggesting practical ways of kicking this off. There was no proof that Myatt was indeed the author of this, and it is likely that the 1993 'White Wolves' document was a Kitsonite psy-op by the intelligence agencies. Copeland did not follow the 'White Wolves' paradigm in several significant ways, and there is no evidence that he ever read it, or even knew of its existence. Prior to, and during the bombing campaign, a number of racist stencilled communiques were sent to newspapers and prominent figures, making threats and claiming responsibility, on behalf of the White Wolves, under the codeword 'Nemesis'. A telephone call claiming Brixton on behalf of Combat 18, was made from Well Hall Road, Eltham, on 19th April. Following Copeland's arrest, Tony Williams, NSM fuhrer, hastily disbanded the group.

The media's role in this includes failure to ask important questions, and the suppression of information. Was Copeland being followed immediately prior to the third bomb, and if so, how did the police acquire him? What are the circumstances of him being 'lost' in Broadwick Street? Was he being allowed to run, by the intelligence services, for the cynical reason that 'More Bodies = More Budget'? Another aspect of this is the role of 'Searchlight' in forwarding Copeland's name as a handwritten amendment to a list of 261 names, to the police, 24 hours after the public release of the Brixton photograph. The role of 'Agent Arthur' as a possible catalyst/ provocateur / fiction is also questioned. It was elsewhere claimed Special Branch were monitoring a neo-Nazi cell in Hampshire, but this trail was promptly dropped afterwards. Newspaper reports of a third man being arrested on a train near Woking have yet to be explained. The co-option of the Metropolitan Police LGBT monitoring group, in to a police agenda, is also examined.

Hope this is helpful,
Steve

Steve, helpful to those interested in the facts, however (sadly)

1) detective-boy is interested only in confusing & denying substantiated facts. At least we know where he's coming from.

2) troublesome trolls like lap-top are only interested in muddying the waters.

Therefore, the debate and campaign to get the truth out will continue--elsewhere.
 
The alleged "facts" are not "substantiated" in any sense worth speaking.

Even if they were, they would prove nothing.

What is these people's problem?
 
laptop said:
The alleged "facts" are not "substantiated" in any sense worth speaking.

Even if they were, they would prove nothing.

What is these people's problem?

I dunno, but they seem to have the same problems as the religionists... Even though there's abundant evidence to the contray they believe in stories which, while sounding interesting to the weak minded, have no actual basis in fact.

Note how Religionists and Conspiraloons tell use you need to "believe" in their tosh, and that evidence is not required... :rolleyes:
 
detective-boy said:
With respect, I can. I am unable to explain why, but I have first hand information from a Chief Officer involved in the investigation.

This illustrates exactly where you are coming from.

by the way, can Lap-troll & Jade to go and urinate back in the Big Brother (Moron) House where they belong?
 
Larry O'Hara said:
This illustrates exactly where you are coming from.

by the way, can Lap-troll & Jade to go and urinate back in the Big Brother (Moron) House where they belong?

Insults, messing with user-names and being a evidence-free conspiraloon... That's gotta be a hat-trick of Posting Rules violations...!

Btw, that evidence...? :rolleyes:
 
Larry 'shaken not stirred' O'Hara and Steve 'gas the tubes' Booth on the one thread, does life get any better?
 
Larry O'Hara said:
by the way, can Lap-troll & Jade to go and urinate back in the Big Brother (Moron) House where they belong?
Please tone down the personal abuse and stick to the issues.
 
editor said:
Please tone down the personal abuse and stick to the issues.

Point taken: although aside from detective-boy, the 'usual suspects' posting here have not done that, and all (including him) have blatantly ignored evidence. Still, that is what I have come to expect, sadly, although in it's early phases this thread has contained in itself useful evidence I intend to use elsewhere. Including, most importantly, testimony from David Northmore's former editor, setting out the latter's claims about his dealings with MI5. Some people, for their own reasons, want to deny this, and use this thread to hurl abuse. They are free to do so. Third parties can make up their own mind as to motivation.
 
Larry O'Hara said:
Point taken: although aside from detective-boy, the 'usual suspects' posting here have not done that, and all (including him) have blatantly ignored evidence. Still, that is what I have come to expect, sadly, although in it's early phases this thread has contained in itself useful evidence I intend to use elsewhere.

Um... This thread has no "evidence" from you or anyone else...! :rolleyes: Oh, and if you intend on smearing people I think you should think again...

(TBH this thread has just been an exercise in debunking you ludicrous claims and reinforcing your reputation...)
 
laptop said:
And even if it were the case that Copeland was followed, and lost, it would prove nothing.

Well it would show that those (such as Searchlight and indeed those involved in the prosecution case) who said Copeland was only discovered by chance when his name was added to a long list of possible suspects by Searchlight, and his house given a routine visit by plod, were liars.
 
One of the problems suffered by the paranoid is that they do not understand the difference between lying and just being wrong.
 
Of course people can make mistakes. It could well be officers following Copeland in Soho lost him due to a genuine mistake.

But it is an entirely different matter to then given an inaccurate version of events to a court of law, on television documentaries in front of an audience of millions, and in books and magazine articles on the subject.
 
Paul Marsh said:
Well it would show that those (such as Searchlight and indeed those involved in the prosecution case) who said Copeland was only discovered by chance when his name was added to a long list of possible suspects by Searchlight, and his house given a routine visit by plod, were liars.
And who are they?

My understanding at the time, and now, and as described in the TV programme, and as recounted to me by officers involved in the enquiry (contemporaneously and subsequently) is that Copeland was identified from the image taken from the Brixton CCTV footage which was released to the media and resulted in his name being amongst the (relatively large) number of people suggested as possible suspects. Which then resulted in his house being visited by the Flying Squad (tasked by the Anti-Terrorist Branch enquiry team) in anything but a routine manner.
 
Nail bomber David Copeland has three years added to life sentence for slashing fellow prisoner (click for more)

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Rot in eternal hell.

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No, we certainly shouldn't forget: but nor should we forget that in his last bombing (for sure) he was followed by police (SB) who 'lost' him, and the fact that he was going to bomb a gay target seems to have been known by MI5 in advance. While few in the UK today have an interest, thankfully I was able to discuss these concerns on a US radio show: follow the link Dr. Larry O'Hara 1999 London Nail Bombings - The Opperman Report (podcast)
 
An update on all this: we (Notes From the Borderland) have recently published a pamphlet massively updating this story, building on the disinformational Nail-Bomber Manhunt documentary and the subsequent Nick Lowles book 'Code Name Arthur'--which will not be pleasant reading for the CST/Searchlight/MI5/Lowles and programme-makers Colin Barr/Daniel Vernon (Dumb & Dumber)....check out The Soho Nail-Bombing Scandal Revisited
 
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