ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
What he means is that when he votes Conservative at the next general election, it be a vote against new Labour, not a vote for the tories.
Or at least that's what he'll try to convince himself he means.
1979 All over again? Lets hope not.
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What he means is that when he votes Conservative at the next general election, it be a vote against new Labour, not a vote for the tories.
Or at least that's what he'll try to convince himself he means.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
What he means is that when he votes Conservative at the next general election, it be a vote against new Labour, not a vote for the tories.
Or at least that's what he'll try to convince himself he means.
I didn't see that one coming!
Previously I've been operating under the assumption that KBJ is a bit dim and utterly self-deluded but perhaps that's a bit unfair - maybe he's operating on a plane of logic impenetrable to us mere mortals. Or summit...
audiotech
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Some on the far-left were predicting an imminent right-wing government out to attack the gains made by the working class.
The Labour left were keeping their heads down as I recall.
audiotech
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Ahh, yes the WRP, they'll be right one day was one favoured comment at the time.
Knew some good activists, worked and had a few pints together.Happy days.
Maybe ıt's worth clarıfyıng my earlıer posts about the fraudulent nature of parlıamentary polıtıcs. I don't mean to suggest that all parlıamentary polıtıcs ıs always useless everywhere. In Brıtaın ın 1945, or ın present-day Venezuela for eaxmple, ıt clearly can effect meanıngful change.
But ın the twenty-fırst century Western world, parlıamentary polıtıcs ıs a charade whose purpose ıt ıs to dıstract people from the real centers of power, whıch are economıc not polıtıcal. The poınt at whıch thıs became obvıous was Healey's recourse to the IMF, but ıt had really been the case sınce the fırst Wılson government, who learned very quıckly that ıt could do nothıng agaınst the wıshes of ınternatıonal capıtal.
In thıs context, to dıscuss general electıons as ıf they made a dıfference ıs worse than stupıd, ıt ıs complıcıt wıth the con-game that ıs beıng played on us. 'Oh wıll we have a black Presıdent or a woman, oh has Hılary alıenated the whıte blue-collar voters of the north-east wıth her latest gaffe, oh ıs Mılıband nmore electable than Brown...' all BULLSHIT. Wake up and smell the coffee, understand what's really goıng on the world and above all: Know Your Enemy.
Thank you.
But ın the twenty-fırst century Western world, parlıamentary polıtıcs ıs a charade whose purpose ıt ıs to dıstract people from the real centers of power, whıch are economıc not polıtıcal. The poınt at whıch thıs became obvıous was Healey's recourse to the IMF, but ıt had really been the case sınce the fırst Wılson government, who learned very quıckly that ıt could do nothıng agaınst the wıshes of ınternatıonal capıtal.
In thıs context, to dıscuss general electıons as ıf they made a dıfference ıs worse than stupıd, ıt ıs complıcıt wıth the con-game that ıs beıng played on us. 'Oh wıll we have a black Presıdent or a woman, oh has Hılary alıenated the whıte blue-collar voters of the north-east wıth her latest gaffe, oh ıs Mılıband nmore electable than Brown...' all BULLSHIT. Wake up and smell the coffee, understand what's really goıng on the world and above all: Know Your Enemy.
Thank you.
newbie
undisambiguated
it's not what 'the left' said that mattered, in public perception they were on (or campaigning to be on) picket lines demanding sectional demarcations and leapfrog differentials. What became known as Basildon Man, ie those who didn't work in unionised industry/local government, resented and rejected the way that shaped society.
What the left has said has never mattered since.
it will be less like 1979 and more like 1984 -although the tories are saying they will get rid of id cards you can bet they will introduce them anyway and say oh the contact was a done deal etc
Nhs under nl is already being subject to creeping privitisation -under the tories it will be privatised
post tories i do think when you see milliband and balls on the telly you know that
1 they are blair wannabes
2 they are both incompetant
3 they are responsible for a lot of this mess to start with
The electorate will rember this - i honestly cannot see how the current politcal parties as they stand and given the below average ability of these mps how they are going to be capable of dealing with all the shit that is going to hit the fan over the next ten years
as i have always said what we are about to witness is a fundamental change of society and at the moment what looks set to replace it does not look good
Nhs under nl is already being subject to creeping privitisation -under the tories it will be privatised
post tories i do think when you see milliband and balls on the telly you know that
1 they are blair wannabes
2 they are both incompetant
3 they are responsible for a lot of this mess to start with
The electorate will rember this - i honestly cannot see how the current politcal parties as they stand and given the below average ability of these mps how they are going to be capable of dealing with all the shit that is going to hit the fan over the next ten years
as i have always said what we are about to witness is a fundamental change of society and at the moment what looks set to replace it does not look good
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It was in fact the 'alternative economic strategy' that the Labour left held to for over a decade. This comprised of import controls, directed investment, planning agreements with industry, price controls and the nationalisation of the largest 25 companies.
As for 'Basildon Man'? Don't you mean 'Selsdon Man'? That related to a meeting held in January 1970. The then Prime Minister, Sir Edward Heath, held a session of the shadow cabinet at The Selsdon Park Hotel near Croydon, Surrey. The aim of the meeting was to formulate policies for the 1970 General Election manifesto.The result was a radical free market agenda, condemned by the then Labour Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, as the work of "Selsdon Man".
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
I think what we need is not New Labour nor New Tories but something better. I know I won't get it but something needs to be done. I look back at what the Labour party was and I'm saddened and disgusted. There is a dire need for an alternative.
I would rather abstain than vote far right. However, many others don't have such scruples and / or are more desparate. The far right is building and worse holding many white working class areas. It will only take a bit of financial insecurity to bite at the middle classes and they will also be vunerable to the far right. In the past people were linked enough to consider parties of the left or the centre to be more in the general interest of the majority of the nation but no longer. Without that non far right alternative I do fear for the future.
Call me a doom monger if you will but when I look into the future I see the road turning a sharp right.
Some of this could have been avoided (sometimes I think it was a shame there was never a grassy knoll handy when Thatcher first came to power) then maybe the necessary reform and investment that the UK needed in the 80's could have been made instead of wasted. Some of it could be avoidedin the short term by judicious and targetted resorce input and addressing many of the problems of community cohesion by investment in our own people rather than the quick fix of importing workers.
I look around and I see a tense society and it makes me worried for the future.
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