1970s Cardiff City chants - what's your team's?

[ernestolynch]

I can see why a non 100% Welsh person like you might not understand why that particular chant was such a disgrace, but I'm perfectly at liberty to express my feelings on the subject here if it's brought up - just like others are able to voice their disgust at the Mubnich chants.

And you're getting your day 'job' mixed up with these boards: no one has been given "detention".

But cheers for another irrelevant personal attack.

Why are you bringing my racial origin into it? Particularly as you seem to love Wales so much you never learnt the language and buggered off as soon as you could to worship some Surrey town?

 

[ernestolynch]

That's funny, I don't remember Wrexham playing Spurs recently.

I've never been to Wrecsam in my life, let alone the Racecourse. Your point, Yanqui-Bastard?

 

[phildwyer]

so it'd be fair game, then, to have a chant about the dead huns at ibrox or the dead scousers at hillsborough or the dead juve fans at heysel?

whilst i myself wouldn't use the aberfan chant, it clearly achieved its desired objective at the time, if yr vehement reaction's anything to go by.

It certainly caused a full-scale riot when Man U sung it at Ninian Park in 73. Just last year I happened to meet two Man U fans who'd been there, they said they were surprised at how angrily Cardiff responded. They'd just got into the third "Aberfan" when it started raining darts on them, the twits.

 

[phildwyer]

I've never been to Wrecsam in my life, let alone the Racecourse. Your point, Yanqui-Bastard?

Oh sorry. Is it Cardiff or Swansea you support then?

 

[ernestolynch]

Oh sorry. Is it Cardiff or Swansea you support then?

Before the age of 30 the furthest south I'd been was Machynlleth...why the hell would I want to follow some hwntw shit?

 

[editor]

so it'd be fair game, then, to have a chant about the dead huns at ibrox or the dead scousers at hillsborough or the dead juve fans at heysel?

My. What a rare treat in the football forum. And - would you believe it - arriving straight after ernesto! What a co-incidence!

Now, where have I suggested that it might be "fair game" to have a chant about the "dead scousers at hillsborough"?

I thought I'd made it crystal clear that I don't hold any truck with those kind of chants, or do you expect me to give a definite opinion for your benefit on every tragedy-related chant that you intend to dredge up from over the decades?

 

[editor]

It certainly caused a full-scale riot when Man U sung it at Ninian Park in 73.

I was at the game! It was a very nasty business - one of the worst games I've ever been to for footbal violence.

One guy got stopped trying to bring in a suitcase of stones (!) and people were digging up the terraces to throw at each other.

 

[ernestolynch]

Listen boss - at the age of 17 I and many others took great pleasure in singing the Hillsbrough song.

I think it's abhorrent now, and wouldn't dream of singing it, although I'd sing songs about hypothetical massacres and mass-murder of scousers, I wouldn't sing now about when they did die in vast numbers.

You asked for songs from the past. Some replied. You're not about to re-write and airbrush more history?

 

[phildwyer]

Before the age of 30 the furthest south I'd been was Machynlleth...why the hell would I want to follow some hwntw shit?

Fair enough. But hang on, there are only three Welsh teams in the league. I can't imagine Rhyl have ever played Spurs. I wonder which team you could have been supporting?

 

[ernestolynch]

I was at the game! It was a very nasty business - one of the worst games I've ever been to for footbal violence.

Shurely you mean....'best'?

 

[Pickman's model]

My. What a rare treat in the football forum. And - would you believe it - arriving straight after ernesto! What a co-incidence!

of course it arrived after ernestolynch's post - i only just logged on (as you can doubtless find out).

Now, where have I suggested that it might be "fair game" to have a chant about the "dead scousers at hillsborough"?

I thought I'd made it crystal clear that I don't hold any truck with those kind of chants, or do you expect me to give a definite opinion for your benefit on every tragedy-related chant that you intend to dredge up from over the decades?

you said that even football chants should have a bit of humanity, which i took as irony given yr fond reminiscences of terrifying ninian park with close harmony singing about flick knives and hooliganism. and unlike aberfan, the events i referred to did have something to do with football.

if i didn't know you, i'd think that you were trolling, as the responses you seem to deplore are the very ones it was plain would surface. you seem to be appealing to people's baser instincts on this thread, yet when they appear yr acting all bemused, which i find confusing.

 

[ernestolynch]

Fair enough. But hang on, there are only three Welsh teams in the league. I can't imagine Rhyl have ever played Spurs. I wonder which team you could have been supporting?

I wasn't a nationalist until my recent years...maybe you were always one?

 

[editor]

[/i]you said that even football chants should have a bit of humanity, which i took as irony given yr fond reminiscences of terrifying ninian park with close harmony singing about flick knives and hooliganism. and unlike aberfan, the events i referred to did have something to do with football.
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I can't be arsed to explain the obvious to someone who clearly knows fuck all about the terraces of the 70s and 80s.

 

[editor]

Shurely you mean....'best'?

Even as a troll that's piss weak stuff.

Why bother?

 

[phildwyer]

I was at the game! It was a very nasty business - one of the worst games I've ever been to for footbal violence.

One guy got stopped trying to bring in a suitcase of stones (!) and people were digging up the terraces to throw at each other.

I was there too, cowering in the boys' enclosure. Worst riot I've ever seen, people were staggering around covered with blood, one kid was proudly carrying his teeth in his hand. Only thing that came close was Wales-Yugoslavia, when that copper got stabbed with the corner flag.

 

[Pickman's model]

I can't be arsed to explain the obvious to someone who clearly knows fuck all about the terraces of the 70s and 80s.

yeh, how you did laugh - no one was to know that the massed ranks of the cardiff thugs choir were a bunch of softies just singing about kicking the fuck out of people.

 

[editor]

You're not about to re-write and airbrush more history?

Not this old chestnut again?



Christ, you've lost your touch. This is a thread about old football songs.

During the course of an interesting debate, pelple have posted up some examples and I've recalled the reaction that some of the songs created.

And you're going on about detention and airbrushing. It's pathetic.

 

[phildwyer]

I wasn't a nationalist until my recent years...maybe you were always one?

I'm no nationalist--scourge of Europe, innit. But it certainly never occurred to me to support any other than my home town club. I mean, what's the point? In what sense can you truly "support" a foriegn team? What pleasure can you derive from their success, how can you empathize with them in their dark hours? Takes away the whole purpose of being a football fan if you ask me.

 

[editor]

yeh, how you did laugh -

Where have I said that I was "laughing" at the violence?

There was a world of difference between singing daft songs about cartoon football violence and actually joining in. I hated the violence and was terrified by the darts that were being lobbed around for a time.

But the Ninian Park atmosphere - to a small boy - was electric, and the songs were a hoot.

See the difference now?

 

[editor]

I'm no nationalist--scourge of Europe, innit. But it certainly never occurred to me to support any other than my home town club. I mean, what's the point? In what sense can you truly "support" a foriegn team? What pleasure can you derive from their success, how can you empathize with them in their dark hours? Takes away the whole purpose of being a football fan if you ask me.

Couldn't agree more.

I could have easily become a Man Utd fan - I had family connections there, they were a wonderful team - probably the best they've ever had - they were winning games and I was getting to see quite a few of their games.

But I was born in Cardiff, so my first love will always be Cardiff City, whatever division they're in. No decision. I'm Welsh so I support a Welsh team. How could I possibly do otherwise?

 

[phildwyer]

yeh, how you did laugh - no one was to know that the massed ranks of the cardiff thugs choir were a bunch of softies just singing about kicking the fuck out of people.

Innocent people almost never get hurt at football matches. The only people who get involved in fights are the ones who are up for it. Anyone who goes on a regular basis knows exactly which parts of the ground are safe and which are dangerous. I don't have any problem with willing hooligans fighting each other, it stops them fighting the rest of us.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ever had a tin,
Ever had a tin,
Ever had a tin of salmon,
Ever had a tin of salmon spread
Here comes your mother with a loaf of bread,
Salmon, Oh Salmon,
get it in a small tin,
get it in a big tin,
get it from the Co-op, OKAY!

that's a daft football song, an old brum one.

Knives are made for stabbing
Boots are made for kicking
If you are a Swansea fan,
We'll kick your fucking head in!

well, each to their own, i suppose.

 

[Pickman's model]

Innocent people almost never get hurt at football matches. The only people who get involved in fights are the ones who are up for it. Anyone who goes on a regular basis knows exactly which parts of the ground are safe and which are dangerous. I don't have any problem with willing hooligans fighting each other, it stops them fighting the rest of us.

thank you for your patronising post.

 

[editor]

that's a daft football song, an old brum one.

You're only showing your ignorance of the subject, you know.

Football in the 70s was a different beast altogether to whatever games you attend now (if any).

 

[phildwyer]

thank you for your patronising post.

De nada. And your foolish "salmon" song doesn't even scan. I don't believe that even brummies would be daft enough to sing it. What's the tune supposed to be, "Any Old Iron," I presume? Well, it doesn't work, just try it. There is NO way that ever was a football song, I think you just made it up. Unles it was in the 30's or something, but as everyone knows they didn't even sing songs at football then. I don't think you've ever been to a football game in your life. I think you're more familiar with shopping for salmon at the co-op, and that's why you invented your stupid song. Which doesn't even exist.

 

[Pickman's model]

You're only showing your ignorance of the subject, you know.

Football in the 70s was a different beast altogether to whatever games you attend now (if any).

i don't think you went for the football as it hasn't had much of a lookin on this thread - there's no chants about the fucking team, it's all about yr other activities.

which is fair anough, but i'd prefer it if you were upfront and said "i went to ninians park for the fighting" rather than suggesting that in those days it wasn't a game of two halves and that.

& we've been through the "yeh, i'm a real football fan and yr not" bit before.

as i've pointed out on a number of occasions i can't afford to go to see my team as often as i'd like - simple economick fact of life, like the fucking season ticket i used to have a share on now costs something like 20% of my annual income.

 

[Pickman's model]

De nada. And your foolish "salmon" song doesn't even scan. I don't believe that even brummies would be daft enough to sing it. What's the tune supposed to be, "Any Old Iron," I presume? Well, it doesn't work, just try it. There is NO way that ever was a football song, I think you just made it up. Unles it was in the 30's or something, but as everyone knows they didn't even sing songs at football then. I don't think you've ever been to a football game in your life. I think you're more familiar with shopping for salmon at the co-op, and that's why you invented your stupid song. Which doesn't even exist.

fuck off!

http://members.lycos.co.uk/tubcfc/songs&chants.html

incidently, the last match i was at was the dull 0-0 draw between fulham & celtic (in the hoops end).

i hope some sort of apology's forthcoming.

 

[phildwyer]

i don't think you went for the football as it hasn't had much of a lookin on this thread - there's no chants about the fucking team, it's all about yr other activities.

which is fair anough, but i'd prefer it if you were upfront and said "i went to ninians park for the fighting" rather than suggesting that in those days it wasn't a game of two halves and that.

& we've been through the "yeh, i'm a real football fan and yr not" bit before.

as i've pointed out on a number of occasions i can't afford to go to see my team as often as i'd like - simple economick fact of life, like the fucking season ticket i used to have a share on now costs something like 20% of my annual income.

No doubt you prefer to spend your money on salmon? But to be frank, the truth is, I think *everyone* who went to football in the 70's went partly for the fighting, even if they never fought themselves. It was pretty exciting for a 6-16 year old, which is what I was in the 70's. God knows it was more exciting than what was happening on the pitch.

 

[Pickman's model]

No doubt you prefer to spend your money on salmon? But to be frank, the truth is, I think *everyone* who went to football in the 70's went partly for the fighting, even if they never fought themselves. It was pretty exciting for a 6-16 year old, which is what I was in the 70's. God knows it was more exciting than what was happening on the pitch.

i never said i had anything against people going for the fighting, i just wished that there weren't this pretence that it was all about the 'different game' on the pitch.

 

[editor]

i don't think you went for the football as it hasn't had much of a lookin on this thread - there's no chants about the fucking team, it's all about yr other activities.

Have you tried looking at the title of this thread and reading the first few posts?

which is fair anough, but i'd prefer it if you were upfront and said "i went to ninians park for the fighting" rather than suggesting that in those days it wasn't a game of two halves and that.

What are you on about?

I've never fought at Ninian Park, I've never been a fan of hoolie violence but as a kid I found the atmosphere - and the football - exhilarating. Which part of that can't you understand?