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17-year-old girl facing jail because of G20

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by sunshine1, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. sunshine1

    sunshine1 New Member

    I've just seen a report on the web that A 17-year-old girl has been warned she faces jail after she admitted attacking the Royal Bank of Scotland building during the G20 clashes.

    I'm in my mid 50s and as far as I'm concerned this albeit young girl is a hero and many others that have been apprehend by the filthy police are Innocent victims of the rotten capitalist system. What can we do to support them?
     
  2. London_Calling

    London_Calling Pleasant and unpatronising

    Has she been charged, what's the offence, criminal damage?
     
  3. Divisive Cotton

    Divisive Cotton Now I just have my toy soldiers

    I'm surprised that she has admitted her guilt - never say guilty up front like that...
     
  4. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Sproutarian.

    I'm nearly 50 and so far as I'm concerned, she is a vandal and if found guilty should be punished.

    With attitudes like yours amongst her elders, what hope is there ?
     
  5. badco

    badco Banned Banned

    Why what,exactly,of heroic proportions has she achieved?

    I'm in my mid 20's btw:hmm:
     
  6. sunshine1

    sunshine1 New Member

    No what you are is a Tosser big time!
     
  7. FridgeMagnet

    FridgeMagnet Administrator

    There may be a legal defence fund you could contribute to, depending on the charges.
     
  8. nick h.

    nick h. Eat

    Jail her. Jail everyone who was violent. Including police officers. They are all undermining our right to demonstrate peacefully and discouraging the non-criminal majority from turning out for future protests.
     
  9. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    Here's a 17 year old charged with a crime not dissimilar to the one you're praising. What's the difference?
     
  10. Das Uberdog

    Das Uberdog remembers the alamo

    Well, seeing as the "justice" system simply is not designed nor intended to dole out punishments with any correlation to either a) the objective nature or seriousness of the crime or b) with any partiality about the professions/class/political sentiments of the defendants, nick h., your solution is entirely impractical.

    You should defend this girl to the hilt, alongside anyone else who gets pulled up for supposed 'violence' from this demo. Their successful charging would be, in reality, much more of a threat to your right to peaceful protest.
     
  11. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Sproutarian.

    Power to the people !

    I suppose you consider shoplifting (looting-lite) to be a political statement too ?
     
  12. TheDave

    TheDave A man of constant sorrow

    I think the police officers cracking skulls is more off putting to potential protesters than a teenage girl breaking a few windows, but the points stands though. Violence just detracts from the message.
     
  13. Das Uberdog

    Das Uberdog remembers the alamo

    I'd argue against imprisonment for vandalism, too. It's ludicrous.
     
  14. JHE

    JHE .

    I agree - but I don't think prison would be an appropriate punishment for a spot of vandalism, political or otherwise.

    As a general rule, vandals should be (i) made to pay for the repair of whatever they've damaged and (ii) given what used to be called community service and, wherever possible, their particular tasks should be: removing graffiti, repairing damaged parts of public spaces, painting, decorating or cleaning and tidying and so on.

    I'm not quite sure why we're all giving our ages on this thread, but I'm also in my late 40s. (A dislike of vandalism does seem to grow in middle age.)
     
  15. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    Is vandalising a church the same as breaking the windows of a bank on a political protest? Only an idiot would argue that it was IMO.
     
  16. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    don't be a twat
     
  17. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Sproutarian.

    I was merely extrapolating.

    Anyway, I have quite a lot of money in that bank - so I suppose it's personal.
     
  18. gentlegreen

    gentlegreen Sproutarian.

    ^^^^^^ this
     
  19. Divisive Cotton

    Divisive Cotton Now I just have my toy soldiers

    I was nicked when I was 17 at the Battle of Waterloo and charged with violent disorder :D
     
  20. badco

    badco Banned Banned

    No it's not.The protestor will probably get a stiffer sentence as it was politically motivated
     
  21. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    I didn't say it was the same and didn't argue anything. I do think that maliciously causing damage to property of any kind, bank or mosque, is not praiseworthy, that young people doing the damage should not be surprised if they get charged with vandalism, and that older people ought not to praise them for it.
     
  22. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    you're doing it again
     
  23. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    So you compared the two acts, for what reason?
     
  24. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    Possibly. Certainly, someone vandalising a mosque would face an aggravated sentence if a prosecutor succeeded in demonstrating that there was sectarian or racist motivation.
     
  25. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    Seventeen year olds.
     
  26. copliker

    copliker ...

    Bombing and bombing and bombing a country (and breaking many windows in the process) until there's nothing left but rubble, rags and a big pool of blood and lying about the reasons for doing so is fine though isn't it.
     
  27. Fullyplumped

    Fullyplumped in a personal capacity

    The seventeen year old in this story is only being charged with vandalism or is equivalent. Nice example of "whataboutery" though.
     
  28. badco

    badco Banned Banned

    I missed the mosque part in that article

    Anyways,she won't be going to prison
     
  29. Fedayn

    Fedayn Well-Known Member

    You started the whataboutery with your ridiculous comparison-based by your own admission-on the offenders ages.
     
  30. Blagsta

    Blagsta Minimum cage, maximum cage

    What? :confused:
     

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