16 percent of muslims believe in july 7th martyrs

[cesare]

Slurp, slurp.

It's OK - as long as you lick his arse in a suitably brotherly way, you can probably find a scholar to say it's halal. Just don't get into any of that utterly haram homosexual stuff.

Don't know about any of that Was just going by what I read on this thread.

edit: WTF?

 

[laptop]

Sixteen per cent of British Muslims, equivalent to more than 150,000 adults, believe that while the attacks were wrong, the cause was right

Count me in. Even as an atheist.

Count me out of the Times' attempt to create a false dichotomy: either you are for the occupations of Iraq and Palestine or you are for the sucide bombers.

Fuck sake, the Times' managers that cooked that one up clearly haven't even thought about what it implies. They're just going after the Daily Blackshirt readership: "Be Very Afraid, Middle England".

Meanwhile: I have here this long poem in English inspired by the Holy Quaran that says very clearly that the commonest route to martyrdom is to die as a result of a wall falling on you.

* Looks suspiciously at walls *

 

[ViolentPanda]

Are the lives of muslims in this country any worse than those of chinese or indians. How come none of these other groups resort to terrorism?

Mmmm, at the risk of stating the obvious, Islam is a religion, "Chinese" and "Indian" are nationalities (both of which incorporate Muslim minorities), so comparing the three is the work of an idiot.

It's also rather facile of you to construct a sentence that implies that British Muslims as a group are resorting to terrorism.

 

[kyser_soze]

It indicates there is something fundamentally wrong in the way these people are guided, religiously.

Well that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest - IMV any religious 'leader' (for want of a better term) who teaches that violence is a good way forward is seriously off beam IMO.

If you wish to make a point about comparisons with Islam - surely you'd do better asking why, by way of example, Xtian fundamentalists/sects don't 'resort to terrorism'.

That would be harder though - wouldn't it? Because most of us can think of plenty of examples of acts of war/terrorism using organised religion as a vehicle/justification harking through the ages.

Easily seen - the Xtian right in the US, be it KKK, anti-abortion movement and church inspired homophobia. I'd call firebombing someone's home in the name of a cause a terrorist action.

 

[cesare]

Well that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest - IMV any religious 'leader' (for want of a better term) who teaches that violence is a good way forward is seriously off beam IMO.



Easily seen - the Xtian right in the US, be it KKK, anti-abortion movement and church inspired homophobia. I'd call firebombing someone's home in the name of a cause a terrorist action.

Yes - by 'harder' I meant that nurcoron's undermining of Islam would be more difficult if s/he were to compare religious fundamentalism with religious fundamentalism as opposed to comparing religious fundamentalism with nationalities. I could have been clearer, sorry - it was a bit late.

 

[Azrael23]

13%, 15%, 93.564%

DAMNED LIES AND STATISTICS?

I think the best way to remedy the situation is to blame everything on the muslim community as a whole. Yeeesss....

Blair is a shitstirring hate-mongering sly-tongued sith.

When a stoat goes to kill a rabbit it does not need to attack it, it bobs and weaves before it, staring....and staring....the rabbit becomes entranced and is devoured without resistance. So we too are entranced with the bobbing and weaving, the lies, the mind games....rejection of this paradigm is the only hope we have.

 

[kyser_soze]

I think the best way to remedy the situation is to blame everything on the muslim community as a whole.

And this is what I don't get - this article is saying THE EXACT FUCKING OPPOSITE OF BLAME ALL MUSLIMS. This is why I'm mystified as to the reactions to it on this thread - leaving aside the THREAD headline is misleading, the piece in the Times paints a picture of a community that

a. Is having a pretty shit time of it economically

b. Doesn't - see that DOES NOT - support violent acts under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES and certainly not based on their faith.

 

[Azrael23]

I was referring to bLiars speech the other day. In which he said the source of terrorism is the muslim community and that they have done nothing to prevent it.

I`m sure Hitler would have said something similar about the jewish community after the Reichstag fire.

 

[Blagsta]

There should be something similar to Godwin's Law for anyone who mentions the Reichstag fire in these threads.

 

[Azrael23]

yeah but if you bring up Hitler, you automatically win. innit.


"hitlers" state sponsored terror helped forge world war II.

9/11, 7/7, Madrid will help usher in world war III.

 

[In Bloom]

I`m sure Hitler would have said something similar about the jewish community after the Reichstag fire.

Erm, van der Lubbe was not Jewish and "the Jews" were never directly blamed for the Reichstag fire.

 

[Blagsta]

Yes, quite. I think its fairly well accepted now that de Lubbe did actually set the fire and Hitler merely capitalised on it...and blamed the communists, not the Jews.

 

[tbaldwin]

I was referring to bLiars speech the other day. In which he said the source of terrorism is the muslim community and that they have done nothing to prevent it.

I`m sure Hitler would have said something similar about the jewish community after the Reichstag fire.

Yeah, Cos Blair is just like Hitler!
The other day i went to Tesco and outside the police were whipping muslims and making them clean the pavements. And on the way to my mates house i saw John Prescott throwing disabled people in the Thames....

 

[kyser_soze]

And do you know what? I saw some skinheads in jack boots painting Star and Crescent symbols onto anyone who looked a bit brown skinned...

 

[In Bloom]

And on the way to my mates house i saw John Prescott throwing disabled people in the Thames....

To be fair, one of them might have just chucked an egg at him or something

 

[kyser_soze]

To be fair, one of them might have just chucked an egg at him or something

Nah, he'd have punched them or tried to shag them if they'd done that

 

[tbaldwin]

To be fair, one of them might have just chucked an egg at him or something

Yeah....Well im sure they definetely looked like they were asking for it,as i told the nice secret policeman as he casually tossed a hangrenade into a variety club mini bus.

 

[Streathamite]

I was referring to bLiars speech the other day. In which he said the source of terrorism is the muslim community and that they have done nothing to prevent it.

I`m sure Hitler would have said something similar about the jewish community after the Reichstag fire.

nurse!!! The screens!!!

 

[Aldebaran]

Don't know about any of that

Rest assured that I don't know it either.

salaam.

 

[TAE]

A figure plucked from his arse! He wasn't exactly competent as Home Secretary, was he? In fact, he was such an embarrassment that his mate Tone had (reluctantly) to sack him.

It's not "a figure" but "a figure of speech".

 

[JHE]

It's not "a figure" but "a figure of speech".

Call it what you like. His idea was plucked from his ample arse.

 

[TAE]

And you know this because ... ?