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16,000 fans at blackburn on tuesday!

tangerinedream said:
I find the whole 'they get crap crowds, they are a disgrace' argument symptomatic of the modern disease - It's the same argument that suggests 'something is wrong' if Ipswich or someone qualifies for Europe, it's a tacit, if unconcious affirmation of what we all now is the real business of football - getting the clubs with the biggest global market share into the position to qualify for the big competitions - ergo, Blackburn's face don't fit.

Spot on.

What I find really weird is that someone like Dave, who's a West Ham fan, would buy into that. Sure they're a Premiership team and doing quite nicely, and maybe their fans are happy with that, but a few years ago if you supported a team like that you could have dreamt of having an outside chance at the title, if things came together. Now that's just not possible.
 
tangerinedream said:
I think what you don't get is that in Lancashire, local identity is very important because the area is made up of separate towns with fields and that in between them (and as JTG says, their own football teams with long histories.)

I ask again, what would you do? - They have cut prices in response to local need: Grauniad Article here. They have used 'quid a kid' schemes (as a 10 second google would have told you.)

Would you think that Morton Gamst Pederson in a sparkly thong lisping 'come to Ewood Park', girating to kids in a Burnley playground would be a good idea? How about sending David Dunn over deepdale in a Zeppelin with a loudhailor, shouting 'Don't watch Preston, go and watch some mid table Premiership football instead, we even have a player who occaisionaly gets on the fringes of the England squad oooooh yeah.' What about getting Brad Friedal to do a centrefold in Lancashire life? How about Stephen Warnock doing a novelty dance on Blackpool promendade involving chickens and lemonade? Maybe Brett Emerton could actually kidnap some people at gunpoint, and force them to watch the next game in a sound proof exucitive box, in the hope that on their release they'll come back volunterily.

I find the whole 'they get crap crowds, they are a disgrace' argument symptomatic of the modern disease - It's the same argument that suggests 'something is wrong' if Ipswich or someone qualifies for Europe, it's a tacit, if unconcious affirmation of what we all now is the real business of football - getting the clubs with the biggest global market share into the position to qualify for the big competitions - ergo, Blackburn's face don't fit.

I may actually be in love with you.

I've stayed out of this debate but watched it curiously. As a Charlton fan, I too have had people explain to me that our support is crap because we don't attend in greater number. To which my instant and as yet unanswered reply is WELL WTF AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? Is it my fault that there are kids where I live all wearing Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham etc? I've actually taken some of my friends to The Valley with me, they cheered for Charlton and everything, didn't make them not support some other team though.

Charlton have also cut prices, for kids all season tickets are £99 IIRC, that's about £4 a game. They send buses out to fucking everywhere trying to get people to come from slightly further afield. Every summer they run soccer school type deals. The problem is the utter saturation of the top clubs in the media, and their afaicc unbreakable hegemony and a supporting culture that says it's somehow ok to live in London and support Man Utd. No amount of kids for a quid or soccer schools is going to change that.
 
Can't join in the love in Tangerine Dream.....To have empty seats when the best team in the land come to town, or when you are in the UEFA Cup suggests to me that either Rovers are charging too much or people arent that enamored by the brand of football on show week in, week out.
You got 62,000 once upon a time so I don't think you can blame the local demographics.
 
pagan said:
Can't join in the love in Tangerine Dream.....To have empty seats when the best team in the land come to town, or when you are in the UEFA Cup suggests to me that either Rovers are charging too much or people arent that enamored by the brand of football on show week in, week out.
You got 62,000 once upon a time so I don't think you can blame the local demographics.

wiki said:
Although Ewood Park is the 14th largest facility in capacity in the Premiership, it generally has the lowest average attendance as a percentage of capacity. On average, more than 25% of the seats remain unsold, which presents an ongoing revenue problem for the club [2]. On the other hand, the attendance Blackburn attracts to Ewood Park is one of the highest in proportion to town/city size. Blackburn has a population of 105,085 [3], so the attendance accounts for a fifth of the town's population.

:confused:

surely this suggests local people are very enamoured with Rovers?
 
Agree with tangerinedream all the way here. This thread and attitudes behind it are a disgrace, if anything.

Why the fuck should the people of Blackburn be expected to attend the matches? And how can you call into question the worthiness of the town to have a premiership team based on attendances, when clearly attendances have nothing to do with quality of football and results (thankfully, or Newcastle would be a lot more successful than they have been).

If they had a 16,000 seater stadium which was full every week would that somehow make it OK for Blackburn to be in the Premiership? Seems like that's what you're saying, but the logic is a bit mental. Maybe you'd claim their stadium isn't big enough to deserve to host Premiership matches...

Football is a product now. It's been designed to be like that. People choose other ways to enjoy that product. That's the way capitalism works. *shrug*
 
pagan said:
Can't join in the love in Tangerine Dream.....To have empty seats when the best team in the land come to town, or when you are in the UEFA Cup suggests to me that either Rovers are charging too much or people arent that enamored by the brand of football on show week in, week out.
You got 62,000 once upon a time so I don't think you can blame the local demographics.

Without seeming like I won't let this go, I thought this figure...

brfc.com said:
The highest average league attendance was set in 1958/59 when an average of 30,544 watched the league games at Ewood Park

...was more relevant - Given that Rovers currently average about 23/24000 it would suggest that they are more or less as popular as ever.
 
I do actually agree with much of what you say but it's just a bit disheartening for the tv viewer to see rows on rows of empty home seats at big games, especially when teams like Bolton and BR play in Europe. It's not just England, Scotland only has three teams that can fill their stadia week in, week out.

I go and see Hearts quite a lot - I'd go more but it's difficult to get random tickets for any game, let alone 'big' ones. Then again, Tynecastle has a 17500 capacity but it does make for a tighter, more atmospheric support.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
I'm just going to quote that and not go off on one.

Aw go on, give me your devastating and side splittingly witty critique of how people in Scotland or Ghana or Thailand shouldnt be watching English football, let alone dare to criticise it and how the Enlgand team being shit it's all the fault of Sky TV money and Jonny Foreigner:rolleyes:

Empty seats make a club look shite and their supporters apathetic, that's all peolple on this thread were saying.
 
Some of the contributions to this thread have been priceless. My admiration to those who've tried to patiently explain things to idiots. How dare things like club histories and genuine local rivalries matter I guess. Every local man should do his duty; half the town turning up for a pie and the football on whatever night the bleeding schedulers decide. No other entertainment really exists these days does it?

Perhaps we can keep everyone happy though. How's about blow up fans to fill those empty seats? Couldn't have some distant tv viewer spot the horror of an empty strip of plastic seating whilst flicking over from the glamo(u)r of Wrestlemania Wankathon VIIII would we?
 
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