tangerinedream
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Gumbert said:
Peel Park hasn't been their since about 1967 has it?!! - Can you see the 'Interlink Express Stadium'
16,000 fans at blackburn on tuesday!
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Peel Park hasn't been their since about 1967 has it?!! - Can you see the 'Interlink Express Stadium'
tangerinedream said:
Um, actually our net spending over the past summer was about 2 million. But don't let Daily Mail-type "The Hammers are ruining football" hysteria get in teh way of facts, eh?
Your other claim (that we are essentially a Championship side) is also patently untrue. We finished in or near the top 10 for most of the years before we got relegated in 2003.. And that was with a total idiot in charge (Terence Brown)
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RenegadeDog said:
You are not a championship team - you are bobbing along merrily in the lower reaches of the premiership and are likely to do so for the forseeable future with Eggnog Magners in charge. A fair bit better than Sunderland and Derby, but not as good as Everton. Like, say Bolton. As London clubs go, you are in the second string - bigger than Barnet or Leyton Orient, but not as big as Arsenal or Totteringham. My only contention was with the misguided assumption that Blackburn have bought their position in the league - whilst once that was true, it is no longer and hasn't been for some considerable time.
I just find it odd that a West Ham fan (not you) sees Blackburn as somehow 'not worthy' of a place in the top league when you consider that actually, the various football clubs of Blackburn have won considerably more trophies than West Ham.
kained&able
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The sugar daddy thing was something a blackburn fan(well defender at least) said that i just repeated.
My problem with blackburn is they are a good team, with decent players(and robbie savage
) and arguably the best of the unprooven managers in the league, who have been either in europe or pushing for europe for the last few years, while playing some decent football. Yet they cn only get 70 odd percent of thier ground filled(and its not exactly massive) and can only get 16 thousend through the gates for a match against one of the big sides in the league in the competition that represented thier best chnace of getting into europe this year.
Blackburn probabley aren't going to get much bigger then they are at the moment and seemingly don't have a fan base that cares about them, therefore whats the point in them.
Oh and we paid fuck all for lucas neil. Think it was about 2million as he only had 6 months left on his contract.
Also eggy is not in charge do try and keep up!
dave
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My problem with blackburn is they are a good team, with decent players(and robbie savage
) and arguably the best of the unprooven managers in the league, who have been either in europe or pushing for europe for the last few years, while playing some decent football. Yet they cn only get 70 odd percent of thier ground filled(and its not exactly massive) and can only get 16 thousend through the gates for a match against one of the big sides in the league in the competition that represented thier best chnace of getting into europe this year.Blackburn probabley aren't going to get much bigger then they are at the moment and seemingly don't have a fan base that cares about them, therefore whats the point in them.
Oh and we paid fuck all for lucas neil. Think it was about 2million as he only had 6 months left on his contract.
Also eggy is not in charge do try and keep up!
dave
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kained&able said:
How can anyone who considers themselves to be a football fan even think of writing something like that?
There's no link between how many people go and how much those that do go care, that should be obvious. Do you think Man Utd fans case more than West Ham fans because more of them go?
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I'm not talking about the die hards. They will turn up if blackburn are in the 3rd division, the first divsion or the championsleague. Which is whgere im guessing the majority of the 12k(im guesisng arse had about 4k worth of fans) came from, good work to them but where is the rest of them? Care was probabley the wrong word to be fair.
Its the rest of the people my gripe is with. They have a fairly sucessful club on thier door step and choose not to go. That to me suggests that blackburn are playing above thier station. They obviously deserve to be a prem club as they are in the premiership and doing well but thier fan base doesn't really justify them being there. Basicly what i'm saying is if blackburn were a mid table championship side then there attendence figures would be fair enough(and i doubt they would be down by much) but as a decent premiership side the figures are dire and if blackburn can't sustain a well supported premirship club they probabley don't deserve to have one there.
dave
Its the rest of the people my gripe is with. They have a fairly sucessful club on thier door step and choose not to go. That to me suggests that blackburn are playing above thier station. They obviously deserve to be a prem club as they are in the premiership and doing well but thier fan base doesn't really justify them being there. Basicly what i'm saying is if blackburn were a mid table championship side then there attendence figures would be fair enough(and i doubt they would be down by much) but as a decent premiership side the figures are dire and if blackburn can't sustain a well supported premirship club they probabley don't deserve to have one there.
dave
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Maybe we should stop having matches and just decide league places by a vote.
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How can anyone who considers themselves to be a football fan even think of writing something like that?
you bloody well know thats not even close to what im saying!
dave
you bloody well know thats not even close to what im saying!
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kained&able said:
It's the underlying logic - if a club has more fans it 'deserves' to do better. I can't see there's any more to your argument than that tbh.
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I'm saying blackburn doesn't have the fanbase to sustain themselves in this league and that they are a much more successful team then thier fan base justifies.
Normally big team means you get a lot of fans but with blackburn big team means nothing to the people either locally or further a field who seemingly have better places to be on a saturday/tuesday then at ewood park and that other sets of fans, say sheffield united, leeds, norwich, wolves, leicester, charlton, forest, sheffield wednesday & southhampton(for a start) would appreciate the position blackburn are in a bit more if they got themselves up to the level blackburn are at.
Blackburn for who they are and where they are at the moment should be a lot better supported then they are is what i am saying. Thier fans are either non existent or a disgrace.
dave
Normally big team means you get a lot of fans but with blackburn big team means nothing to the people either locally or further a field who seemingly have better places to be on a saturday/tuesday then at ewood park and that other sets of fans, say sheffield united, leeds, norwich, wolves, leicester, charlton, forest, sheffield wednesday & southhampton(for a start) would appreciate the position blackburn are in a bit more if they got themselves up to the level blackburn are at.
Blackburn for who they are and where they are at the moment should be a lot better supported then they are is what i am saying. Thier fans are either non existent or a disgrace.
dave
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24k against chelsea. rubbish! we get as many season ticket sales as that! In the same sized ground as well.
dave
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tangerinedream
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kained&able said:
But as has been explained previously - where do they get their fans from? There is Bolton on one side, Burnley and Accy on the other, Preston just over the hill - At least three of them have big traditional hard core followings so Rovers can't expect to attract from there - The town is about 60,000 people - therefore 24.000 represents nearly half the population. By your wierd logic, only teams from nice big cities would be in the premier league.
Can you explain to me where Blackburn are going to get the extra fans from?
kained&able
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Nicking them from other clubs locally or getting the yougsters early. Or grab a load from further afield i guess.
I refuse to belive that blackburn can't get fans beacuse of accrinton stanley's proud heritage of being on a milk advert. Especially if its main rivals for grabbing fans are bolton i mean they ain't exactly a glamour club are they. and in a seperate county but whatever.
Lancs has a population of 1,449,700 apparently and only two premirship clubs. One of whom are wigan, a tiny club(prem wise at the very least). I'm sure there is enough people to go around. Even with all three of the championship clubs.
Maybe blackburn are rubbish at the marketing, maybe they should start doing kids for a quid type stuff to encourage youngsters into the place. I don't really know. But thier attendence figures are rubbish. Especilly for a fairly sucessful established premiership team of the quality they have.
dave
I refuse to belive that blackburn can't get fans beacuse of accrinton stanley's proud heritage of being on a milk advert. Especially if its main rivals for grabbing fans are bolton i mean they ain't exactly a glamour club are they. and in a seperate county but whatever.
Lancs has a population of 1,449,700 apparently and only two premirship clubs. One of whom are wigan, a tiny club(prem wise at the very least). I'm sure there is enough people to go around. Even with all three of the championship clubs.
Maybe blackburn are rubbish at the marketing, maybe they should start doing kids for a quid type stuff to encourage youngsters into the place. I don't really know. But thier attendence figures are rubbish. Especilly for a fairly sucessful established premiership team of the quality they have.
dave
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you're such a twat dave
West Ham have good support for a small club 
kained&able said:
not for the first time, you know fuck all about anything
yeah, Blackburn have a really good chance of persuading the people of Preston and Burnley to support them. Have you ever been to any of these places? Do you have any idea how deep the roots of the local teams run? Blackburn will never persuade people from all over Lancs to support them because the people of that county - the county that practically invented professional football and supporting your local team - have their own local sides to follow.
You said earlier that Bolton have no tradition. Once again, you know fuck all.
Lancashire have two Premiership clubs, one of whom is Wigan. Um, OK. Look at a map you idiot.
I could go on but here on this thread we have another example of how little you know about anything and why every time you open your ill informed trap on here, the world laughs at you.
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Man Utd?kained&able said:
Man City?
Bolton?
Wigan?
Blackburn?
Do you know anything about football?
kained&able
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Last time i checked manchester & bolton were in greater manchester and have been since the 70's Obviously you can't find a modern map.
The historic county of lancashire hasn't been about for aggges now.
and porno yes west ham doi have a danm good fan base for a smallish club. And getting more all the time. Despite deep seeded local allegences to other clubs. Is there something special about the north that means you can't change clubs ever?
JTG what have bolton ever done? Okay one of the first clubs and yeah they won the fa cup 4 times but thats about it. Its not exactly a history to trouble the likes of everton, liverpool, man united or any of the other current or past massive clubs is it.
dave
The historic county of lancashire hasn't been about for aggges now.
and porno yes west ham doi have a danm good fan base for a smallish club. And getting more all the time. Despite deep seeded local allegences to other clubs. Is there something special about the north that means you can't change clubs ever?
JTG what have bolton ever done? Okay one of the first clubs and yeah they won the fa cup 4 times but thats about it. Its not exactly a history to trouble the likes of everton, liverpool, man united or any of the other current or past massive clubs is it.
dave
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kained&able said:Last time i checked manchester & bolton were in greater manchester and have been since the 70's Obviously you can't find a modern map.
The historic county of lancashire hasn't been about for aggges now.
and porno yes west ham doi have a danm good fan base for a smallish club. And getting more all the time. Despite deep seeded local allegences to other clubs. Is there something special about the north that means you can't change clubs ever?
JTG what have bolton ever done? Okay one of the first clubs and yeah they won the fa cup 4 times but thats about it. Its not exactly a history to trouble the likes of everton, liverpool, man united or any of the other current or past massive clubs is it.
dave
Wigan isn't in new Lancashire either for your information. The league clubs of Lancashire in order of current league position are as follows.
Blackburn
Burnley
Blackpool
Preston
Morecambe
Accrington
tangerinedream
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JTG said:
Wot he said.
kained&able
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My bad i thought wigan was. So there are only six clubs with a popualtion of just under 1.5 million in lancs.
Oh and jtg i didn't spot it earlier but i never actully said bolton don't have a tradition i said they wren't exactly a glamour club which means that a moderatly succesful side like blackburn should be able to pick up the casual fans from bolton and those who reclocate to lancs(might take a few years obviously) without too much hassle.
I view bolton as a big club in the same way im sure wolves think they are a big club or notts county(i think i mean them) not as in someone a neutral will go and look at and think mmm i want to support them; like a liverpool, man united, chelsea or an arsenal where as i think blackburn should be able to do that at least locally. Just not attaract people from kent.
dave
dave
Oh and jtg i didn't spot it earlier but i never actully said bolton don't have a tradition i said they wren't exactly a glamour club which means that a moderatly succesful side like blackburn should be able to pick up the casual fans from bolton and those who reclocate to lancs(might take a few years obviously) without too much hassle.
I view bolton as a big club in the same way im sure wolves think they are a big club or notts county(i think i mean them) not as in someone a neutral will go and look at and think mmm i want to support them; like a liverpool, man united, chelsea or an arsenal where as i think blackburn should be able to do that at least locally. Just not attaract people from kent.
dave
dave
kained&able said:
Here is the quote where Dave denies Bolton's tradition
Founder members of the football league, a long history of top flight football, FA Cups etc etc
And yes, West Ham attract glory hunters who would rather support a big premiership side than their own local side and who don't have any connection to east London. Not as many as other prem teams but it happens.
Would anyone like to post a comparison of the population of Blackburn with the London Borough of Newham and the relative crowds of Blackburn Rovers and West Ham? Then factor in the populations of neighbouring boroughs, essex etc etc.
I think we'd see which club's doing better in attracting fans then
ReadyToRoll
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Hard to attract fans when they would rather support United or Liverpool rather than support there home team, they would rather be LONG TERM ARM CHAIR DICKS OF FANS..
In defence of Blackburn check out some of the estates its a shithole
In defence of Blackburn check out some of the estates its a shithole
tangerinedream
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kained&able said:
I think what you don't get is that in Lancashire, local identity is very important because the area is made up of separate towns with fields and that in between them (and as JTG says, their own football teams with long histories.)
I ask again, what would you do? - They have cut prices in response to local need: Grauniad Article here. They have used 'quid a kid' schemes (as a 10 second google would have told you.)
Would you think that Morton Gamst Pederson in a sparkly thong lisping 'come to Ewood Park', girating to kids in a Burnley playground would be a good idea? How about sending David Dunn over deepdale in a Zeppelin with a loudhailor, shouting 'Don't watch Preston, go and watch some mid table Premiership football instead, we even have a player who occaisionaly gets on the fringes of the England squad oooooh yeah.' What about getting Brad Friedal to do a centrefold in Lancashire life? How about Stephen Warnock doing a novelty dance on Blackpool promendade involving chickens and lemonade? Maybe Brett Emerton could actually kidnap some people at gunpoint, and force them to watch the next game in a sound proof exucitive box, in the hope that on their release they'll come back volunterily.
I find the whole 'they get crap crowds, they are a disgrace' argument symptomatic of the modern disease - It's the same argument that suggests 'something is wrong' if Ipswich or someone qualifies for Europe, it's a tacit, if unconcious affirmation of what we all now is the real business of football - getting the clubs with the biggest global market share into the position to qualify for the big competitions - ergo, Blackburn's face don't fit.
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