15mph speed limit for eco towns
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pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
First Bus here only allow one supermarket-sized bag per person. Even then, this becomes subject to driver discretion once the pitiful luggage carrier on the bus is full - about half a dozen bags.
Then you get told to wait for another bus & maybe be told to wait again.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
It's nothing to do with fuel efficiency, as you would realise if you'd bothered to think about it before posting. It's about (a) making the streets safer for humans and (b) incentivising people to walk, cycle and use public transport. I'm sure the decrease in car use, particularly for short distances, will more than offset the slightly increased inefficiency of the few remaining cars.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7311548.stm
Because everyone knows a car is at it's most efficient when it's doing 4000 rpm in 1st gear
WouldBe
Dislicksick
No they wouldn't as their car insurance would go through the roof.
Gaia's either a moderately useful shorthand for a group of linked phenomena to do with feedback, or bollocks.
Inequality is incredibly important, but an equal share of not enough is still not enough. You've used 'sustain' interestingly. Yep, the population is sustained in the short term, but at a cost. To use the admittedly lame natural capital metaphor, there's only so long you can live by spending your capital. You want to be spending your earnings (i.e. what can be produced from/returned to the ecosystem without degrading its future ability to produce/absorb).
The scarcity we're now experiencing is primarily in ecological services, rather than materials - e.g. carbon sink capacity, ecosystems' ability to deal with toxicity, long-term productivity of farmland. Throw in some of the stuff about how we eat oil, and it starts to look less than rosy.
Oh, and on the OP, what guff. My heart fails to bleed.
I think eco towns are a great idea - if there were any then all the eco-twats could bugger off to them and leave normal people to get on with their lives in the real world.
The denizens will be perfectly happy trundling around their handcarts stocked with the macrobiotic hand woven sandals that they'll be selling to each other in lieu of a real economy and as they'll guard their byways religously, transport links will be so dire that they won't be able to escape to spread their nonsense elsewhere.
Even if their offspring do desire to leave the hamlet, as they've never come across real traffic in their lives, they'll be mown down as soon as they encounter a bus hurtling along at a breakneck 20MPH.
The denizens will be perfectly happy trundling around their handcarts stocked with the macrobiotic hand woven sandals that they'll be selling to each other in lieu of a real economy and as they'll guard their byways religously, transport links will be so dire that they won't be able to escape to spread their nonsense elsewhere.
Even if their offspring do desire to leave the hamlet, as they've never come across real traffic in their lives, they'll be mown down as soon as they encounter a bus hurtling along at a breakneck 20MPH.
Nah. The first two words made me chuckle.
_angel_
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Most people want to see their cars to make sure they're not being broken into/ vandalised.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
They could club together and pay for security at the car park - safer than parking on any public road.
Yep. Doesn't really hold water as a reason for not having park and ride/walk provision.
Here in that grubby big smoke place even the most upmarket properties rarely can offer off street parking or provision for parking directly outside. Thousands of Porsches, Mercs and poncemobiles are parked well away, out of sight of the home, either in underground bays, purchased spaces or shared car parks. Somebody's Toyota Prius in Lesser EcoBeardsville should be just fine by that reckoning.
Here in that grubby big smoke place even the most upmarket properties rarely can offer off street parking or provision for parking directly outside. Thousands of Porsches, Mercs and poncemobiles are parked well away, out of sight of the home, either in underground bays, purchased spaces or shared car parks. Somebody's Toyota Prius in Lesser EcoBeardsville should be just fine by that reckoning.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
I think with Cobbles it's effortless; it just flows out of him. He's a natural.
Personally speaking all this eco bollocks is just that, bollocks!
The balance is set, the scales have tipped like a rollercoaster that has reached the point of no return we're in for a hell of a ride and fifteen mph speed limits will be the least of our worries.
There is no logical way with the developing countries booming and the developed world making only token gestures that we're ever gonna dig ourselves out of this mess without a significant proportion of the human race needs to disappear.
Sure, we are going to have to find ways of reducing harmful emissions from all sources, but it does seem to me that there is much talk and effort going into what are basically "gestures" at the moment, that won't make a real difference overall, but will make everyone feel good about things:
charging for plastic bags, or banning them, when we should look at bigger issues of un-needed packaging and food miles etc
"eco towns" when these will constitute a tiny percentage of the UK population
anyone think of any more recent "bee in the bonnet" enviro-related things that people have written/talked a lot about, that will hardly make a difference in the scheme of things?
The phrase "pissing in the wind" springs to mind.....
Giles..
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
not if you want to use the current crop of vehicles it isn't and want a realitively emmission free smaller carbon footprint.
Unless you are advocating bringing enviromental issues in to a class based structure where the richer you are the better air quality / enviroment you get.
The problem is that the people who have a certain lifestyle will not voluntarily give much of it up, in line with the principle that "turkeys don't vote for Christmas".
And more and more of the people with less are getting and aspiring to have more.
Giles..
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
One bag per person? Seriously?
Unfortunately, if true this is the kind of thing that gets public transport a bad reputation.
BTW, you'd have thought FirstBus would have their Terms & Conditions of travel on their web site, wouldn't you?
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
One bag per person? Seriously?
Unfortunately, if true this is the kind of thing that gets public transport a bad reputation.
BTW, you'd have thought FirstBus would have their Terms & Conditions of travel on their web site, wouldn't you?
Yes. First acting as a law unto themselves is nothing new here. They only let this one into the public domain after a spate of complaints from people who were left standing. The reporting was more than 6 months ago so I can't point you at George Mair's statement in the P&J
Similarly the new "disabled & pushchair friendly" buses. Which have seen a lot of folk left standing as they only take one of each.
Also the giving-up of the right to complain about crap service if you hold a discounted ticket under a workplace travel scheme.
Then the court case where they tried to ban pushbikes from "their" buslanes. Which they lost but didn't appeal - because they are driving the pedestrianisation plans which will see a ban over the entire central area. (already linked here) Monopoly anyone?
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Yes, this is the first time I've noticed they don't have a T&C but I'm not convinced they don't make it up as it goes along.
T & P
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Well that's the thing isn't it? If the speed limit relates to pedestrian safety, then every road user including bicycles should be limited to 15 mph. While the chances of being killed or seriously injured by a cyclist are lower, it still can and indeed does happen.Does it god damn well apply to bikes? I'm not going to your stupid eco town if I can only go at 15mph!
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