are you a hammer?
12th Aug 09: England v Holland friendly
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are you a hammer?
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
was coming the equaliser. And, errors aside I actually think we were the better side first half too. Positive stuff.
tommers
Currently in investor / advisor mode.
I'm well happy for him. He's gone from joke to england contender in 12 months and that performance bodes well for us. Just as well as he is our only fit striker who has ever played a first team game.
He was great tonight.
oh and when the commentator was banging on about 7 players having a connection with west ham, he forgot EBJT.
TitanSound
Mr Beardy Drummer
Piss poor in the first half. What the fuck was Ferdinand thinking with that backpass?
Glad we drew it though. Shows we can put up a fight rather than just roll over as per usual.
Glad we drew it though. Shows we can put up a fight rather than just roll over as per usual.
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
That must be the worst Holland team in living memory
Obnoxiousness
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Next time around, how about we go 4-3-3 and just attack, attack, attack?!?!
C Cole | Rooney | Defoe
Milner | Gerrard | Beckham
A Cole | Terry | Ferdinand | Johnson
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C Cole | Rooney | Defoe
Milner | Gerrard | Beckham
A Cole | Terry | Ferdinand | Johnson
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Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Theyve breezed through their qualifing group which tbf is an easyish group.
1 Netherlands 7 7 0 0 16 2 14 21
2 FYR Macedonia 6 2 1 3 4 7 -3 7
3 Scotland 6 2 1 3 4 10 -6 7
4 Norway 6 1 3 2 6 5 1 6
5 Iceland 7 1 1 5 6 12 -6 4
grubby local
tapir wanker
We outclassed the third best team in the world away from home. We were all over them first and second half. Beckham was excellent first half too. All that got lost in the fog of two stupid mistakes. (and we had a clear penalty for the de Jong handball.
We were camped in their half, buzzing and creating chances for 80pc of the game. Great stuff from the second half subs, excellent news for England. SWP though, even though it hurts me to say it as a fan of his and a City fan ... the attack broke down EVERY time he got the ball.
Still, quality against quality opposition, even though it was a friendly.
gx
actually all of City's players had a bad night ... de Jong, Barry and SWP!
We were camped in their half, buzzing and creating chances for 80pc of the game. Great stuff from the second half subs, excellent news for England. SWP though, even though it hurts me to say it as a fan of his and a City fan ... the attack broke down EVERY time he got the ball.
Still, quality against quality opposition, even though it was a friendly.
gx
actually all of City's players had a bad night ... de Jong, Barry and SWP!
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
I don't know what the Dutch press is saying today, but if that had been England who had conceded their two goals last night then our press would be baying for blood, and rightly so. Without wanting to take anything away from Defoe or Milner, they should be sick at having conceded our two goals - esp. the second one. At least the ones England conceded were given away by uncharacteristic lapses in concentration, which can be put down to lack of pre-season sharpness. Holland created very little opportunities otherwise, and of the two teams, I think last night's game gave the Dutch a lot more to think - and worry - about than it did us.
I didn't see the game, but it doesn't surprise me.
He looked great when he came through for Chelsea. Then, just at that time, abramovich buy out, loads of big stars, gets pushed well back. Spells at struggling charlton and then not-very-good Viller teams hardly helped him. then came to us just as we were having a near-relegation season.
Since then has really come into his own and is absolutely vital for us. I always felt he was an England type of player and this really doesn't shock me.
Even though it does sound like the defending was shit, it's impressive to go 2-0 down away from home at a very highly rated and ranked team who had looked amazing in the early stages of euro 2008, and come back to 2-2. Shows that Capello has a certain tactical nous which previous coaches have lacked.
Let's hope we win the last 3 games and go to the WC really confident
Let's hope we win the last 3 games and go to the WC really confident
Obnoxiousness
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Capello was the difference.
Since he took over as coach, England's second half performances have been mostly astonishing. Capello is a tactical genius who has lots of reasonable players to choose from.
Since he took over as coach, England's second half performances have been mostly astonishing. Capello is a tactical genius who has lots of reasonable players to choose from.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Quite - I was rather pleased to see we didn't panic and, generally, played patient football.
Despite the two goals and the defending in general, I thought it was a reasonably encouraging performance, especially in the way we approached the game.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
What I found interesting about that performance is that it shows how England have changed as a team.
I think previous incarnations of England often scored early, then sat back, and were often defeated in the last thirty minutes or something.
This match seemed to be a reversal of that. They didn't win, but they didn't just collapse at the end. They kept playing.
I think previous incarnations of England often scored early, then sat back, and were often defeated in the last thirty minutes or something.
This match seemed to be a reversal of that. They didn't win, but they didn't just collapse at the end. They kept playing.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
To be honest I thought we were much better in the first half than many reports would suggest, which seem to focus on the two mistakes for the goals (plus a couple of other shaky moments in fairnessI still haven't seen it but the reports are encouraging esp second half
).Indeed so
Or occasionally we'd nick some 'famous' result like the 1-0 against Argentina in 2002, but even that was basically based on panicky defending, backs to the wall and Seaman having one of the best goalkeeping performances of all time.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
There was still some pretty poor defending by England.
But it was better. And I say that as somebody who is almost always disappointed watching England.
But it was better. And I say that as somebody who is almost always disappointed watching England.
i've found England much much better under Capello generally. Finally we look like a team rather than a bunch of talented individuals running around like headless chickens.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
That is something I have slowly come to realize myself. I mean, its pretty obvious, but a load of individuals, no matter how talented they are, are not going to make an amazing team. I read an interview with Marcello Lippi talking about this recently.
There are a load of examples that highlight it. Greece winning Euro 2004 is the biggest one that comes to mind.
I do think that a fundamental part of England's problem has always been fear. People often make the error of thinking England don't care that much - I'm pretty certain that they do. I actually think that a major problem in the past has been worrying too much about not losing, and the players get scared, and they pass to the other team as we've seen so often especially against people like Portugal, and it all goes south.
Capello very early on identified 'fear' as being England's biggest problem.
Shows what a canny operator he is.
Capello very early on identified 'fear' as being England's biggest problem.
Shows what a canny operator he is.
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Capello reads the game and selects the right tools for the job. His half-time adjustments are always effective.
If it wasn't for two very elementary defending errors, we would have won that match. No question about it.
If it wasn't for two very elementary defending errors, we would have won that match. No question about it.
