1100 aborted every year for Downs Syndrome

[In Bloom]

I don't think it "wouldn't be an issue at all", because you'll always have parents who won't be able to emotionally and/or physically cope with a child with disabilities, but better societal attitudes and better financial support would certainly go quite a long way to lessening the issues we currently have.

As I've already said, that post was, perhaps, a bit flippant, it's a difficult issue to discuss.

 

[belboid]

But not a single question on why so many downs syndrome abortions? No doubt many more being born. Why are they happening? Is that not part of the topic? Where's downs syndrome coming from?

every bit of research shows it has nothing to do with parental or environmental factors, and it is pretty equally occurent all over the world. so dont start with any western lifestyle/vaccines bullshit

 

[quimcunx]

But not a single question on why so many downs syndrome abortions? No doubt many more being born. Why are they happening? Is that not part of the topic? Where's downs syndrome coming from?

It comes from internetborne conspiracy theories.

 

[Nigel]

You've blown your chances with Nigel then.

That might rekindle his interest though.

What in sex/relationships in general

 

[kittyP]

every bit of research shows it has nothing to do with parental or environmental factors, and it is pretty equally occurent all over the world. so dont start with any western lifestyle/vaccines bullshit

So it has nothing to do with more women in their late 30's + having kids?
Damn in I said I was staying out of this.

 

[fela fan]

every bit of research shows it has nothing to do with parental or environmental factors, and it is pretty equally occurent all over the world. so dont start with any western lifestyle/vaccines bullshit

Nah, no need.

Was thinking of western pills, and the health care trend in treating symptoms, and not looking for the causes.

Is it just to be accepted that downs syndrome is part of the risks of being pregnant? Is it not important to ask questions of those in the appropriate authorities to find out the possible causes?

I would find it easy to accept the research that shows parental factors are not linked, but not so sure about the environmental factors. I think questions are important to find out if there are environmental factors. If research has yet to show this, then it still allows for future research to find otherwise.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

why not read the article and the thread, or something like that

 

[belboid]

yes it does, and research is being done all the time. proper research, not snake oil bullshit. there is, as yet, no evidence for environmental factors, it is equally common worldwide, and strongly seems to be just horribly random

 

[Nigel]

So it has nothing to do with more women in their late 30's + having kids?
Damn in I said I was staying out of this.

How would this affect termination of pregnencies?
Are you implying a greater number of miscarriages?

 

[trashpony]

Read the article from yesterday

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8327228.stm

Or the one posted in the OP.

 

[Nigel]

If this is a reference to me, I would be questioning the articles reference to women 30+ being at greater risk!

 

[FridgeMagnet]

If this is a reference to me, I would be questioning the articles reference to women 30+ being at greater risk!

er, why?

 

[trashpony]

If this is a reference to me, I would be questioning the articles reference to women 30+ being at greater risk!

No, I meant felafan really

 

[Nigel]

No, I meant felafan really

Apologies

 

[ViolentPanda]

Definitely the individual's choice to make. Up to the woman each time. Her right over anything the state wants to her to do or not do.

But not a single question on why so many downs syndrome abortions? No doubt many more being born. Why are they happening? Is that not part of the topic? Where's downs syndrome coming from?

Because more mothers are leaving motherhood later, and there are correlates between mother's age and likelihood of Down's syndrome.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Nah, no need.

Was thinking of western pills, and the health care trend in treating symptoms, and not looking for the causes.

Is it just to be accepted that downs syndrome is part of the risks of being pregnant? Is it not important to ask questions of those in the appropriate authorities to find out the possible causes?

I would find it easy to accept the research that shows parental factors are not linked, but not so sure about the environmental factors. I think questions are important to find out if there are environmental factors. If research has yet to show this, then it still allows for future research to find otherwise.

Science has noticed correlates between age-of-mother and occurrence of Down's (or "mongolism" as it was then called) since the late Victorian era, although it's only in the last 40 years or so that we have had any inkling as to why such correlation exists.

 

[quimcunx]

Because more mothers are leaving motherhood later, and there are correlates between mother's age and likelihood of Down's syndrome.

And apparently the percentages of people choosing abortion or not have remained pretty constant.

So if there are 100 DS pregnancies and 50% choose abortion that's 50 abortions. If there are 150 DS pregnancies and 50% choose abortion that's 75 abortions.

Cue: ''More DS abortions now than in the good old days!!!!!!''

 

[geminisnake]

No there aren't but lots of people on this and the other thread have said 'I don't think I could cope with a disabled child' so they'd abort if they found there was DS. But they would not dream of leaving their child behind after giving birth if it were severely brain damaged at birth. Seems a bit odd to me is all.

Dunno what's on the other thread but I would have walked away from a child that was severely brain damaged at birth. Like I say I know me and I know I don't have the patience.
I have every respect for those that do cope with these circumstances but I know I wouldn't be one of them.

 

[XR75]

I don't think it "wouldn't be an issue at all", because you'll always have parents who won't be able to emotionally and/or physically cope with a child with disabilities, but better societal attitudes and better financial support would certainly go quite a long way to lessening the issues we currently have.

So would more abortions.

 

[Maidmarian]

As an older mother, I would definitely be tested and I would have an abortion if my unborn child was found to be suffering from Downs or Turners Syndrome. There is no question in my mind about that.

I imagine I probably would have said somethinglike that once ------ but I'm the mother of a severly Autistic son & that's not my attitude now. It's too easy to look at disabled people & see just that (the disability) rather than the unique essence of each individual.

 

[trashpony]

Dunno what's on the other thread but I would have walked away from a child that was severely brain damaged at birth. Like I say I know me and I know I don't have the patience.
I have every respect for those that do cope with these circumstances but I know I wouldn't be one of them.

Fair enough. I think you're quite unusual in that regard though - I think most people would just get on with it (or at least try to)

 

[Thora]

No there aren't but lots of people on this and the other thread have said 'I don't think I could cope with a disabled child' so they'd abort if they found there was DS. But they would not dream of leaving their child behind after giving birth if it were severely brain damaged at birth. Seems a bit odd to me is all.

There's a huge difference between a disabled foetus and a disabled child though.

 

[fela fan]

yes it does, and research is being done all the time. proper research, not snake oil bullshit. there is, as yet, no evidence for environmental factors, it is equally common worldwide, and strongly seems to be just horribly random

Equally common worldwide? What kind of research are you reading? Absolute bullshit it's equally common worldwide. How can you believe that? You will find it impossible to provide this evidence you've sited, firstly because you've not read it, secondly because it doesn't exist.

No evidence for environmental factors? Well, i guess if you put your head in the ground there'd be no evidence...

So belboid, food and medicine have nothing to do with downs syndrome then? Chemicals used in the production of food have no link? Chemicals and technology all over the place in our modern world have no link?

You're skating on ice that's so thin you've already fallen into the water.

A good starting place to recover is to recognise that there are two illness/disease types: diseases of poverty and diseases of wealth.

Or is everyone the same, everyone randomly able to get all diseases and illnesses, wherever they are in the world, and whatever environment they live in, be it eskimos or desert nomads?

You're living in cloud cuckoo fantasy land.

 

[Yossarian]

A good starting place to recover is to recognise that there are two illness/disease types: diseases of poverty and diseases of wealth.

Or is everyone the same, everyone randomly able to get all diseases and illnesses, wherever they are in the world, and whatever environment they live in, be it eskimos or desert nomads?

Down syndrome isn't an illness or a disease, it's a condition caused by a chromosomal disorder that happens in around one in every 1,000 pregnancies.

If you're going to wade into this subject you should at least try and give yourself a vague idea of what you're talking about first.

 

[fela fan]

Down syndrome isn't an illness or a disease, it's a condition caused by a chromosomal disorder that happens in around one in every 1,000 pregnancies.

If you're going to wade into this subject you should at least try and give yourself a vague idea of what you're talking about first.

Wading in eh? Sounds like what you've done here mate. I came to this thread with questions i thought needed asking. I never claimed to have answers, and nor do i, just some vague ideas. But i was surprised at the absence of questions as to why downs syndrome happens in the first place.

So, you've 'waded' in here to admonish me, while not even managing to read properly what i'm posting. It's your perceptions that you're incorrectly putting onto me.

Now then, this chromosonal disorder (i presume my spelling is the correct version, wading in too quickly can lead to sloppy posting...), is that 1 in every 1000 pregnancies everywhere in the world? All females? All races, all nations, all backgrounds, all ages? You have a very neat answer and stat to this 'disorder'. I shall now go investigate the veracity of your knowledge.

 

[Yossarian]

Belboid gave you a clear and concise answer to your question and you started howling about heads in the ground, absolute bullshit, cloud cuckoo fantasy land, and so forth in a way that was frankly embarrassing to read. Why don't you do your Googling *before* spouting off?

 

[trashpony]

There's a huge difference between a disabled foetus and a disabled child though.

True. It's a very personal decision I agree.

fela fan - if you can find one abstract or discussion that a) demonstrates there is uneven spread of Down's across the world and b) finds a link between Down's and environmental factors, I'd love to see it.

 

[fela fan]

True. It's a very personal decision I agree.

fela fan - if you can find one abstract or discussion that a) demonstrates there is uneven spread of Down's across the world and b) finds a link between Down's and environmental factors, I'd love to see it.

Looks like i'm onto a loser, but i'll give it a whirl...

 

[belboid]

So belboid, food and medicine have nothing to do with downs syndrome then? Chemicals used in the production of food have no link? Chemicals and technology all over the place in our modern world have no link?

You're skating on ice that's so thin you've already fallen into the water.

you really are astonshingly ignnorant. it is grotesqueluy insulting for you to wade in despite being completely clueless about the subject, and then spouting a steaming great pile of shit.

if i were you, i'd shut the fuck up and back away from the thread, because you are making yourself look even more stupid than usual.

 

[fela fan]

Well, at least i've learnt a bit about this disorder.

I found it hard to get statistics for different countries, but for US, japan, and europe it seemed pretty similar. Nothing on africa or asia.

Sorry trashpony, nothing to hand over!