1100 aborted every year for Downs Syndrome

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I wouldn't judge an individual circumstance, but it seems from the very high proportion of abortions for Downs that in general we find it all a bit inconvinient. it speaks of a nasty streak in the species. Although I would never outlaw abortion I have never been of the opinion that the right to abort is the totem of feminist advancement it is pupported to be.

 

[PursuedByBears]

Myself and all the women I know who were offered the test for downs refused...maybe those figures would be worth comparing.

We had the test and were prepared to abort if it was positive, and know other couples who thought the same.

 

[kyser_soze]

a bit inconvinient

Hmmm.

Just throwing this out there...would peeps consider abortion if they found out their foetus had cystic fibrosis?

 

[belboid]

in general we find it all a bit inconvinient.

'a bit inconvenient'?? I don't think you understand the realities of bringing up someone with downs. And hence you patronise appalingly people who have undoubtedly struggled hard to make such an important decision.

 

[kyser_soze]

IIRC taffy's not a big fan of abortion.

 

[kittyP]

I wouldn't judge an individual circumstance, but it seems from the very high proportion of abortions for Downs that in general we find it all a bit inconvinient. it speaks of a nasty streak in the species. Although I would never outlaw abortion I have never been of the opinion that the right to abort is the totem of feminist advancement it is pupported to be.

Edited as there is no way of saying what I wanted to say with out sounding like I support Eugenics which I don't.

Leaving this topic alone now.

 

[kyser_soze]

Edited as there is no way of saying what I wanted to say with out sounding like I support Eugenics which I don't.

Leaving this topic alone now.

Yeah, I know where you're coming from on that front.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

'a bit inconvenient'?? I don't think you understand the realities of bringing up someone with downs. And hence you patronise appalingly people who have undoubtedly struggled hard to make such an important decision.

except I said specifically that I wasn't making a judgement on individual circumstances, which you conviniently ignore to make a strawman point.

 

[frogwoman]

I wouldn't judge an individual circumstance, but it seems from the very high proportion of abortions for Downs that in general we find it all a bit inconvinient. it speaks of a nasty streak in the species. Although I would never outlaw abortion I have never been of the opinion that the right to abort is the totem of feminist advancement it is pupported to be.

Jesus wept.

I don't particularly like abortion and have taken a lot of shit in the past on here for saying so, but i don't at the end of the day think that the foetus is a human being and that it should outlawed, i also don't see what this is doing in UK politics, i mean it's not a big political issue, this isn't the states

 

[belboid]

except I said specifically that I wasn't making a judgement on individual circumstances, which you conviniently ignore to make a strawman point.

no, i am criticising your comment 'a bit inconvenient', which says an awful lot about your general attitude.

And learn what 'straw man' actually means if you want to use it in a sentence.

 

[6_6]

having a child is a selfish act -
to pass on your genes, to make sure your legacy lives on after you die.
so to make sure that gene is strong and healthy, decisions are made during the process.
whether it is to abort or not, it is the right to choose.

 

[_angel_]

Jesus wept.

I don't particularly like abortion and have taken a lot of shit in the past on here for saying so, but i don't at the end of the day think that the foetus is a human being and that it should outlawed, i also don't see what this is doing in UK politics, i mean it's not a big political issue, this isn't the states

Is it still impossible to get an abortion in Northern Ireland, though?

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

How about unborn children having an independent, intrinsic right to life rather than surviving at the whim of parents who may or may not think their potential disabilities unacceptable?

But they don't have an intrinsic, 'independent' right to life by virtue of their being absolutely, totally, completely dependent on the mother prior to birth.

 

[Nigel]

Consider termination of pregnency to be a necessary evil in the society and world we live in today.

On a personal basis wouldn't live with someone who had terminated pregnency in which I was involved.

Remember talking to 'Anarchists' in Luton a while back who were vehementely oppossed to Termination of pregnencies, one heavily into animal rights activism, who's attitude towards killing any animals was wrong; icluding culling sewer rats & locusts creating famine, the other more convincingly worked(probably still does) as a nurse working with mentally handicapped, his arguments were more convincing!

Still in my opinion it is a womans right to choose!

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

'a bit inconvenient'?? I don't think you understand the realities of bringing up someone with downs. And hence you patronise appalingly people who have undoubtedly struggled hard to make such an important decision.

And conversely, there are probably a lot of people who make the decision as a knee jerk response to the test results, in equal ignorance about what raising a child with Down's entails, having made this 'important decision' on the basis of - the medics offer a pre-natal test, and if it's positive they offer you an abortion, so that, presumably (in their minds) is the right thing to do because that is the conclusion they are led to by the medics and the process - disability equals bad equals termination.

 

[Idaho]

I think these things are moral and personal issues, and as such beyond the scope of law and sweeping pronouncements by people.

 

[trashpony]

Consider termination of pregnency to be a necessary evil in the society and world we live in today.

On a personal basis wouldn't live with someone who had terminated pregnency in which I was involved.


Still in my opinion it is a womans right to choose!

What if (as has happened to my happily married mother of two friend), you found out your foetus had no connection between the spinal cord and the brain? Would you have forced your partner to have continued with the pregnancy, knowing the baby would be born dead or would you have been okay with her having a termination?

Threads like this are always prone to the big sweeping statement when things are not that simple when it comes to the reality of pregnancy and termination.

 

[Nigel]

Jesus wept.

I don't particularly like abortion and have taken a lot of shit in the past on here for saying so, but i don't at the end of the day think that the foetus is a human being and that it should outlawed, i also don't see what this is doing in UK politics, i mean it's not a big political issue, this isn't the states

Surely judgements such as Roe v Wade had quite a considerable influence in UK, not only on legal basis, but also social policy.

As far as I am aware in the USA individual states are trying to tamper with legislation allowing termination of pregnencies!

Who knows what the likes of Ann Widdecombe are likely to do when Cameron gets into Number 10. Especially if the tories do not have a majority.

 

[Nigel]

What if (as has happened to my happily married mother of two friend), you found out your foetus had no connection between the spinal cord and the brain? Would you have forced your partner to have continued with the pregnancy, knowing the baby would be born dead or would you have been okay with her having a termination?

Threads like this are always prone to the big sweeping statement when things are not that simple when it comes to the reality of pregnancy and termination.

Already been through(or I should say my partner has) a similar situation, which was not pleasant for either of us. foetus stopped growing after five months, both thought that we were over the worse.

I am not judgemental over this issue.
Very difficult decision for people, especially women involved to make!

 

[trashpony]

Already been through(or I should say my partner has) a similar situation, which was not pleasant for either of us. foetus stopped growing after five months, both thought that we were over the worse.

I am not judgemental over this issue.
Very difficult decision for people, especially women involved to make!

Oh god I am so sorry. How very, very sad

I don't wish to be insensitive but in light of that, I find your earlier post a bit odd. My friend's baby was fine as long as it was attached to the umbilical cord but wouldn't live afterwards. I don't think I could continue a pregnancy I was only 1/2 way through knowing my child was going to die the moment it was born. Be too hard.

 

[Nigel]

Oh god I am so sorry. How very, very sad

I don't wish to be insensitive but in light of that, I find your earlier post a bit odd. My friend's baby was fine as long as it was attached to the umbilical cord but wouldn't live afterwards. I don't think I could continue a pregnancy I was only 1/2 way through knowing my child was going to die the moment it was born. Be too hard.

It can be a cruel world we live in!

 

[ViolentPanda]

If so many people didn't have such shitty attitudes towards people with disabilities, and there was enough support available that having a child with a disability didn't need to be some kind of major burden, this wouldn't be an issue at all.

I don't think it "wouldn't be an issue at all", because you'll always have parents who won't be able to emotionally and/or physically cope with a child with disabilities, but better societal attitudes and better financial support would certainly go quite a long way to lessening the issues we currently have.

 

[Thora]

How about unborn children having an independent, intrinsic right to life rather than surviving at the whim of parents who may or may not think their potential disabilities unacceptable?

They don't.

 

[fela fan]

Definitely the individual's choice to make. Up to the woman each time. Her right over anything the state wants to her to do or not do.

But not a single question on why so many downs syndrome abortions? No doubt many more being born. Why are they happening? Is that not part of the topic? Where's downs syndrome coming from?

 

[felixthecat]

As an older mother, I would definitely be tested and I would have an abortion if my unborn child was found to be suffering from Downs or Turners Syndrome. There is no question in my mind about that.

 

[frogwoman]

But not a single question on why so many downs syndrome abortions? No doubt many more being born. Why are they happening? Is that not part of the topic? Where's downs syndrome coming from?

 

[Fedayn]

As an older mother, I would definitely be tested and I would have an abortion if my unborn child was found to be suffering from Downs or Turners Syndrome. There is no question in my mind about that.

You've blown your chances with Nigel then.

 

[DarthSydodyas]

Where's downs syndrome coming from?

Something in the water?

 

[felixthecat]

You've blown your chances with Nigel then.

Oh bugger.

 

[Fedayn]

Oh bugger.

That might rekindle his interest though.