Paulie Tandoori
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II've read this again and can't make sense of it. You do realize the Mode of Production means the way of producing things. It's a combination of factors, and without willful labour resulting from individual action you would have no mode of production.
If everyone tomorrow took the same individual action not to go to work then the means of production would cease to function.
Even if you are arguing the capitalist class employ a mode of production that is more polluting then a working class system (which assumes a working class system would not just exploit fossil fuel for it’s own class interests). Then it still requires individual action and labour to make any commodities or release Co2. Whether you get the surplus commodity value, or the capitalist class who own the means of production take the surplus value has little impact on CO2.
There seems to be a myth that getting rid of capitalism will magically sort out the problem of CO2. Get real people will still want commodities if they are self-governed and working for themselves. Of course rampant capitalism is a problem, particulary the consumerism it promotes, but under any economic system of prodution there are fundemental problem with the production of commodities, the use of resources and release of CO2.
If you distributed all the wealth and put all the workers in charge they would currently probably use their increased wealth to buy more commidities and release co2. There is a cultural change required from envrionmentalism that requires both a critique of capitalism and efforts to change people's attitudes towards the use of resources.
The 10:10 campaign sets its stall on two planks. Collective action, and leadership ahead of Cophenhagen.
The first premise is that making personal changes, rather than relying on business or government, is a good thing
The second is that by doing that, we can go to the critical global dealing table - Copenhagen - showing some existing grassroots commitment rather than a hypothetical will to change. And it's an important point. The developing nations are rightfully sceptical of the rich ones who seem to be pulling up the ladder. They can stay poor, and we can stay marginally less rich.
The flaws in the 10:10 campaign are obvious. That too few people will sign up to make a grassroots impact on CO2 output. That it won't, in such a short space of time, provide any moral bargaining point at Copenhagen.
However, most informed commentators agree. There is no silver bullet. At the moment we are trying everything and anything. Some things will work, some will not. Even the most successful big ideas, or personal actions, will not single handedly solve the problem.
Critiquing the ideas will refine them. Ridiculing them, and those that "try", will not.
The first premise is that making personal changes, rather than relying on business or government, is a good thing
The second is that by doing that, we can go to the critical global dealing table - Copenhagen - showing some existing grassroots commitment rather than a hypothetical will to change. And it's an important point. The developing nations are rightfully sceptical of the rich ones who seem to be pulling up the ladder. They can stay poor, and we can stay marginally less rich.
The flaws in the 10:10 campaign are obvious. That too few people will sign up to make a grassroots impact on CO2 output. That it won't, in such a short space of time, provide any moral bargaining point at Copenhagen.
However, most informed commentators agree. There is no silver bullet. At the moment we are trying everything and anything. Some things will work, some will not. Even the most successful big ideas, or personal actions, will not single handedly solve the problem.
Critiquing the ideas will refine them. Ridiculing them, and those that "try", will not.
I just want the vouchers
If you are nice and i am in a good mood you can have them for a £10 each.
If you are not so nice or i am in a bad mood i might want to charge you £25.
To answer your questions,
Just print and post them to the poorest 10% and hand them out in the street to the homeless.
Government is already a bueaurcratic nightmare that intrudes into our lives.
Your third point is a deliberate nonsense.
And finally,no,i do not say everyone should have an equal number of credits.Re read my post.
(you had to include the word "punish".)
How about a tax on aviation fuel ?
I just want the vouchers
If you are nice and i am in a good mood you can have them for a £10 each.
If you are not so nice or i am in a bad mood i might want to charge you £25.
To answer your questions,
Just print and post them to the poorest 10% and hand them out in the street to the homeless.
Government is already a bueaurcratic nightmare that intrudes into our lives.
Your third point is a deliberate nonsense.
And finally,no,i do not say everyone should have an equal number of credits.Re read my post.
(you had to include the word "punish".)
It's clear there does need to be some form of redistribution, i'm just not sure this is the most straight forward way.
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We already have a system of carbon credits. It's called "money".
We are going to need everything we can throw at the problem to sort it out! You'd think on here that the avereage joe in the street was devil spawn for even attempting to reduce their co2 emissions and not 'targetting big buisness'.
But you can buy other gases with money, a simple redistribution based carbon tax then seems a good step. Replace income tax with a carbon tax, make people think they are saving money by being green by making everything else more expensive. We allready add VAT to things anyway so that could be altered.
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