1010uk.org - What will you do?

[gabi]

Oh god.

I know it's a nice idea and it sort of makes sense for people to make an individual effort but any achievement will ultimately be negligible.

The two things that really get me about this sort of thing is firstly, the prevailing attitude that is defined by a kind of smug, self-satisfied idealism which in turn seems to swamp any kind of urgent message that might be being broadcast; and secondly, the exceptionally patronizing assumption, which flows directly from the smug self-satisfied idealism, that this sort of lifestyle green activism will actually set an example to the masses either here, or even more astonishingly, in the developing world.

There's a kind of arrogance that almost looks like insincerity given the enormous structural problems on one hand and the profound consequences of any given solution on the other.

I don't know who I want to punch more in that clip. The smug deputy editor at the start or the 'film maker' franny. 'Oh god, its like organising a party and wondering if anyone's going to show up, *giggle*'.

Crikey. What happened to the guardian. Even the indie does these things more convincingly.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

i'm turning the heating up full blast, smoking and drinking as much as is humanly possible, flying to work in a helicopter and clubbing baby seals on the weekend

Pfft I've been doing that shit for years man...

 

[Diamond]

I don't know who I want to punch more in that clip. The smug deputy editor at the start or the 'film maker' franny. 'Oh god, its like organising a party and wondering if anyone's going to show up, *giggle*'.

The deputy editor for sure. I mean he's the one getting vicarious thrills hanging out with a bunch of 'slebs while also lending the whole project credibility.

The Franny person's just an activist.

Actually, I do know one of the activists in that video, though I'm pretty sure she's just in there for eye candy

Crikey. What happened to the guardian. Even the indie does these things more convincingly.

I blame Rusbridger for the Guardian's slide. Ever since he bought that electric car it's just been celeb chefs, post-ironic celeb-baiting, and grow your own green Tuscan villa.

 

[cantsin]

So any attempt by middle classes to cut their consumption / carbon emmisions is bullshit?

if they're making zero attempt to address the real issues, then yes

 

[cantsin]

I think most educated people realise that their own actions make very little difference in the grand scheme of things. Thing is if no one bothers nothing will happen.

In a democracy I don't see any other way for the radical sociatial changes that are necessary being brought about without the consent of the people. It's schemes like this that make people feel empowered and I see schemes like this as part of the process in this social change.

AARRGH ...its schemes like this that make people think they're actually doing something when they're not , that let big business off the hook , that re- inforce the ridiculous / ldeluded / ethal notion that individual , token lifestyle actions will make a difference ...it's part of the problem , big time, not the solution - ask Zac fucking Goldsmith , D frickin Cameron etc

 

[paolo]

The woman who started this has said on several occasions it's not the sole answer.

 

[cantsin]

The woman who started this has said on several occasions it's not the sole answer.

she's wrong, , it's actually part of the problem

 

[joemac]

People forget something its companies that generate the most CO2 so I'll be taking action to reduce their CO2 emissions

 

[Diamond]

People forget something its companies that generate the most CO2 so I'll be taking action to reduce their CO2 emissions

So you're presumably a director, CEO, majority shareholder?

 

[SpookyFrank]

You know when Wile E. Coyote ran off a cliff or something and he had that moment where he realised he was stood on fuck all and was about to fall and splatter on the rocks, but he tried to run back the way he'd come anyway? It was funny because you knew it wouldn't do any good. He'd fucked himself up through injudicious running about but he still thought he could get out of it.

You probably see where I'm going with this, only with this campaign it's more of a casual saunter back towards the clifftop rather than the terrified dash that would be so much more appropriate in the circumstances. If you're stupid enough to feel better because you've turned your thermostat down a degree then good luck to you, I only hope you don't feel too bad when you realise there is no fucking point

 

[Geri]

That's true, but then they tend to pack every item in it's own plastic bag!

With Tesco you can opt to have it delivered without bags (in reality there are still bags, but less of them).

I do internet shopping because I don't have a car.

I also had a new boiler earlier in the year, so that should cut down a bit, and I had my loft insulated (for free).

On the negative side, I am going to stock up with 100 watt lightbulbs.

 

[cantsin]

You know when Wile E. Coyote ran off a cliff or something and he had that moment where he realised he was stood on fuck all and was about to fall and splatter on the rocks, but he tried to run back the way he'd come anyway? It was funny because you knew it wouldn't do any good. He'd fucked himself up through injudicious running about but he still thought he could get out of it.

You probably see where I'm going with this, only with this campaign it's more of a casual saunter back towards the clifftop rather than the terrified dash that would be so much more appropriate in the circumstances. If you're stupid enough to feel better because you've turned your thermostat down a degree then good luck to you, I only hope you don't feel too bad when you realise there is no fucking point

yes

 

[In Bloom]

I expect people who condemn others for a point of view to at least be able to coherently explain an alternative, rather than provide monosyllabic answers. What hope does your plan have if you can’t even be bothered to explain it?

I’m more than happy to explain the basis and reasons why I hold my own views and to have them challenged by polite and well reasoned argument, but won’t endlessly spend my time defending them against someone who has already made up their mind and is more concerned with righteous condemnation.

I don't feel much need to provide an alternative to something that's obviously wrong in the first place. I've explained my views elsewhere numerous times at length, this thread is not about that, it's about this 1010 bullshit. Either defend what you're saying on it's own terms or don't, it's nothing to me either way, tbh, but I won't be hectored into discussing something irrelevant to the subject of this thread because you don't want to actually defend what you're saying.

 

[Badger Kitten]

I'm staying at home for my holiday this year, continuing with policy of not driving a car, installing an eco-toilet and sink which use less water, turning off lights and appliances MR BK leaves on, switching to those horrible eco-bulbs, even though the light they put out is nasty, getting a more efficient radiator in the bathroom and blocking up the draughty window, powerflushing the heating system to save energy, recycling plastic bags, not shopping at supermarkets but buying what I need locally, not buying many clothes, woo bloody hoo for me. I also work for a company that produces no landfill and works in an energy efficient building with a fierce recycling scheme and uses Ecover products for cleaning.

I should really go 100% veggie for several days a week but I don't want to.

I'm a bit fed up of being nagged by the Guardian tbh.

 

[Corax]

I don't have a car, I walk to work, we've got low energy bulbs, turn lights and taps off and put a jumper on before reaching for the central heating. Haven't flown since about 1836.

Most of these are because I'm poor rather than an eco-hero, but yey me anyway.

 

[rover07]

You could move nearer to where you work moon23. Then you wouldnt need a car and you could shop on foot or bike.

 

[fredfelt]

AARRGH ...its schemes like this that make people think they're actually doing something when they're not , that let big business off the hook , that re- inforce the ridiculous / ldeluded / ethal notion that individual , token lifestyle actions will make a difference ...it's part of the problem , big time, not the solution - ask Zac fucking Goldsmith , D frickin Cameron etc

I don't understand why taking personal action equates to letting big business off the hook. If people just sit back and wait for the revolution nothing will happen. If you have the power to change the entire political make up of this country and you think your efforts are better spent doing this then please do so.

I have no delusions of what I can achieve. I do not have direct power over others. The biggest power I have is how I live my life. Without the belief that I have control over my life I become disillusioned, dis-empowered and do nothing.

The best hope that I feel I have is to take control of my life and live it in what I believe to be a sustainable way as possible. I'll also continue also put my limited power and influence into action to persuade business and government to take positive action - I have already achieved some small successes here. What will you do?

 

[moon23]

I don't feel much need to provide an alternative to something that's obviously wrong in the first place. I've explained my views elsewhere numerous times at length, this thread is not about that, it's about this 1010 bullshit. Either defend what you're saying on it's own terms or don't, it's nothing to me either way, tbh, but I won't be hectored into discussing something irrelevant to the subject of this thread because you don't want to actually defend what you're saying.

Big Phill's post sums up how I think. If I can do something personally to reduce my CO2 whilst doing other things as well then great. I'm yet to be convinced that 1010 is a diversion rather than something that compliments all other forms of action.

I actually think if people are taking these actions it will be easy to make the case about big business.

 

[moon23]

You could move nearer to where you work moon23. Then you wouldnt need a car and you could shop on foot or bike.

Yea but i'd have to live in a city then Finding work nearer to me would be ideal.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

i fucking 8 this thread....

 

[moon23]

i fucking 8 this thread....

Don't read it then

 

[moon23]

So you're presumably a director, CEO, majority shareholder?

Or perhaps thinks that a supergluing yourself to a door and camping in a field for a week is going to bring capitalism to it's knees?

 

[untethered]

The sight of a group of dirty, naked hippies in the foyer is enough to make even the most resolute capitalist question what they're doing. I barely kept my lunch down.

 

[Sesquipedalian]

I'm working class poor.
Never owned a car.It's a treat when i am driven about in one.
Never been near an airport.Except to look at Concorde.
DO NOT HAVE a carbon footprint that is measurable.
I will not be making any changes.

I would like to see the implementation of a scheme whereby the poorest people in the country where given "Carbon Credit Trading Vouchers."
Free of charge,of course,that we could sell to the better off on an ad hoc basis.

 

[moon23]

I'm working class poor.
Never owned a car.It's a treat when i am driven about in one.
Never been near an airport.Except to look at Concorde.
DO NOT HAVE a carbon footprint that is measurable.
I will not be making any changes.

I would like to see the implementation of a scheme whereby the poorest people in the country where given "Carbon Credit Trading Vouchers."
Free of charge,of course,that we could sell to the better off on an ad hoc basis.

How would that possibly work in practice? It would be a bureaucratic nightmare, open to widespread fraud and tracking of people's personal lives by the state.

Also do you give a scientist who flys to do research at the poles more or less credits then a leading Brain surgeon who regular gives talks to countries in the third world.

Or do you say everyone has an equal number of credits and just punish those who use carbon to do things that are benificial for society in the same way as those that just fly to their second home?

 

[fractionMan]

I've never owned a car, I ride a bike to work and (work aside) I use about 100ah of electricity a day. Hopefully this will be half provided by solar within the next month.

I'm still wondering what I win for my stellar efforts?

 

[In Bloom]

Big Phill's post sums up how I think. If I can do something personally to reduce my CO2 whilst doing other things as well then great. I'm yet to be convinced that 1010 is a diversion rather than something that compliments all other forms of action.

I actually think if people are taking these actions it will be easy to make the case about big business.

So it's about making a case is it? You've already lost.

 

[moon23]

I've never owned a car, I ride a bike to work and (work aside) I use about 100ah of electricity a day. Hopefully this will be half provided by solar within the next month.

I'm still wondering what I win for my stellar efforts?

A guilty-free existence.

Rather than Carbon credits a carbon related tax to replace VAT would be a better idea in reackon.

 

[untethered]

I'm still wondering what I win for my stellar efforts?

You get a little badge you can wear around your neck as a kind of secular crucifix. If Jesus were alive today he'd probably be earnestly encouraging everyone to "do their bit".

 

[moon23]

So it's about making a case is it? You've already lost.

Yes well normally one has to actually give reasons why something is the case. You however seem to have a section of your brain missing where you mistakenly think if you repeat something enough it is true.

I'm still waiting to here what alternatives you have, and why you think this is a bad idea......