10,000 Join RESPECT

[mutley]

I think you lot need to get out more.

Fisher, changing an over-enthusiastic web posting within hours of it going up is not 'as if Stalin never died'. No-one has an icepick in their head and no-one has been forcibly collectivised.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

I think you lot need to get out more.

Fisher, changing an over-enthusiastic web posting within hours of it going up is not 'as if Stalin never died'. No-one has an icepick in their head and no-one has been forcibly collectivised.

It all began with the little things ...

 

[Fisher_Gate]

I think you lot need to get out more.

Fisher, changing an over-enthusiastic web posting within hours of it going up is not 'as if Stalin never died'. No-one has an icepick in their head and no-one has been forcibly collectivised.

I think you need to look at the grim reality of what's going on ... only 2,160 members, no financial report to conference, ludicrous claims of 10,000 new student members, silly statements that over 70 branches were allegedly represented at conference, attempts to cancel conference sessions in favour of leadership 'rallies' bypassing structures and built at 24 hours notice, North Korean methods of electing leaderships, rubbishing of opponents as wanting to stop the organisation organising 'action' ... it's all getting a bit embarrassing to be quite frank. Even the Labour Party in the 1990s still had some semblance of a participative structure.

 

[jackdoor]

Respect party platform meeting

yet to see these yet but told the meeting highlighted further decline of repect and growing mood of ISG to pull out

Alan Thornett - Part 1


Alan Thornett - Part 2

 

[Dej]

Isg

I think the ISG are in trouble, they have tailended SWP in Respect and are now dicscovering, only now, the the organisation is run on coalition lines, not party lines, and there is no way that the SWP leadership are going to accede to what Thornett want, not one iota. This is in addition to the difficulty in Scotland. Where now for ISG?

 

[audiotech]

Alan Thornett made some very good points with regards to Respect becoming a pluralist organisation containing the bulk of the left. He said it had to become 'super-democratic' unlike at the moment, where Respect has become 'increasingly narrower' with 'very few off-message voices on the National Council'. Interestingly and importantly, Thornett said it has 'reached a critical point'.

"You can't become a pluralist party without pluralism" was an excellent and apt comment for those who wish to keep it narrrow.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I think the ISG are in trouble, they have tailended SWP in Respect and are now dicscovering, only now, the the organisation is run on coalition lines, not party lines, and there is no way that the SWP leadership are going to accede to what Thornett want, not one iota. This is in addition to the difficulty in Scotland. Where now for ISG?

The ISG are screwed in the longer term. It's all just one long story of decline, a shrinking band of refugees from the IMG and WSL. No younger members to replace the ones who fall away. No profile or politics independent of whatever it is they are tailing at any one time to reverse that situation.

But that's a longer term thing. In the short term, the futility of their engagement with Respect and the loss of their Scottish members won't be that big a deal. In fact they may even benefit organisationally from the Scottish situation - they are the best placed of the vulture sects looking to pick up something from the carcass of the ISM/UL.

 

[GeorgeEliotFan]

10,000 fascists posing as do-gooders & upholders of a moral cause. yay

 

[audiotech]

10,000 fascists posing as do-gooders & upholders of a moral cause. yay

Can't see you lasting long somehow.

 

[GeorgeEliotFan]

Can't see you lasting long somehow.

you mean im going to be banned, or are you looking forward to a day when respect line their critics up against the wall?

 

[audiotech]

you mean im going to be banned, or are you looking forward to a day when respect line their critics up against the wall?

It's the quality of your posts - they're crap. Keep it up there's a good chap.

 

[GeorgeEliotFan]

It's the quality of your posts - they're crap. Keep it up there's a good chap.

well may be I will be able learn something from a wise old sage such as your self

may be one time I too will be able to post rants using big words about marginal politics that the vast majority of population neither know about, care about or are affected by.

heres hoping.

 

[Fisher_Gate]

The ISG are screwed in the longer term. It's all just one long story of decline, a shrinking band of refugees from the IMG and WSL. No younger members to replace the ones who fall away. No profile or politics independent of whatever it is they are tailing at any one time to reverse that situation.

But that's a longer term thing. In the short term, the futility of their engagement with Respect and the loss of their Scottish members won't be that big a deal. In fact they may even benefit organisationally from the Scottish situation - they are the best placed of the vulture sects looking to pick up something from the carcass of the ISM/UL.

There's certainly no evidence the CWI Scotland are going to come out of Solidarity with any gains ...

It's hard work being unity mongers in Britain, when you are surrounded by sectarians. One day the rest of the left will wise up though.

 

[treelover]

Theres no way i would join a party that throws the term 'Islamaphobia' around with gay abandon attempting to close down genuine debate.

 

[Wilf]

Theres no way i would join a party that throws the term 'Islamaphobia' around with gay abandon attempting to close down genuine debate.

 

[nwnm]

It all began with the little things ...

you would say that being an ISG accolyte

 

[jackdoor]

Respect conference bigger better buoyant

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=9950

 

[treelover]

I see they are also bigging up the christian soldier Dannat.

General Dannatt’s attack: a blow that has left New Labour reeling

http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=9940

oh and by the way, would Urbanites feel priviledged to be lectured by this lot?

People felt privileged to hear such fine and reasoned contributions from Oliur Rahman, Lindsey German, Salma Yaqoob, John Rees and George Galloway.

 

[Udo Erasmus]

Treelover obviously hasn't bothered to read the article. If you thought about it, you might realise how incredibly damaging it is to the war machine for such a high establishment figure to break ranks, and he's only doing it because it the pressure from the rank and file soldiers pushing upwards.

Dannatt, however, is no anti-imperialist. He wants to extract British forces from the quagmire of Iraq in order to strengthen the occupation of Afghanistan.

He also came out with some dreadful guff about how the “Judaic-Christian tradition that has underpinned British society” is under threat from “the Islamist challenge to our society”.

Nevertheless, Dannatt’s comments leave Tony Blair exposed - and pose an even bigger challenge for Gordon Brown. If Brown becomes prime minister, he will have to decide whether Britain stays in or withdraws from Iraq.

 

[articul8]

You're fully entitled to point up the significance of Dannatt's comments, without endorsing in any way his worldview.

But the other line smacks of North Korea or somwhere: "the workers were privileged to hear the words of their glorious leader Kim Jung-Il..." etc.

 

[treelover]

I agree and it came from from one of their senior CC people: Chris Bambery, not just oneof their over enthusiastic, er, 'footsoldiers' (TM C.Harman)

 

[mutley]

You're fully entitled to point up the significance of Dannatt's comments, without endorsing in any way his worldview.

But the other line smacks of North Korea or somwhere: "the workers were privileged to hear the words of their glorious leader Kim Jung-Il..." etc.

Yeah but we've got FIVE glorious leaders...

But seriously, I've heard people use phrases like that in a way that didn't jar at all.. when a key SWP respect activist left this neck of the woods, in his goodbye speech he made a point of saying that he felt privileged to have worked with Birmingham's Muslim Respect members. There was a political point being made, which I hope will be obvious (esp at the moment).

Not sure about being privileged to hear the boy Rees though.. we hear plenty from him.. tho' its generally good stuff..

 

[hipipol]

Gorgeous George

he needs them all them recruits get a bit of wedge together, maintain his suit collection and sunbed costs.
Utterly stupid and pointless
It why the left loses any shred of cred it retains
He really is such an idiot who seems capable of drawing other idiots from the woodwrok with ease

 

[mutley]

he needs them all them recruits get a bit of wedge together, maintain his suit collection and sunbed costs.
Utterly stupid and pointless
It why the left loses any shred of cred it retains
He really is such an idiot who seems capable of drawing other idiots from the woodwrok with ease

A wonderful theory, with one small draw-back, that has never been answered by those who adhere to the 'George as pocket-liner' school of thought.
Why didn't he just keep quiet, support the war, keep drawing a fat little MP's salary just like all the others?

 

[jackdoor]

more from ISG. Fight for the right to Party

 

[Simon B]

Yes, very!

I would feel very priveliged if I heard "fine and reasoned" speeches from that bunch of ranting demagogues.




oh and by the way, would Urbanites feel priviledged to be lectured by this lot?[/QUOTE]

 

[GeorgeEliotFan]

wait till some one gets their act together and creates a genuine moderate muslim orientated party and watch respect's support dry up overnight

enjoy it while you can socialists

 

[GeorgeEliotFan]

A wonderful theory, with one small draw-back, that has never been answered by those who adhere to the 'George as pocket-liner' school of thought.
Why didn't he just keep quiet, support the war, keep drawing a fat little MP's salary just like all the others?

cuz he is a self obsessed attention seeking creep?

taking the line he did managed to raise his profile and boost his ego. Im ashamed to say I watched the celeb big bro with him in, but that basicaly explained it all.

"1.1 Billion Muslims know my name"

 

[trashpony]

cuz he is a self obsessed attention seeking creep?

taking the line he did managed to raise his profile and boost his ego. Im ashamed to say I watched the celeb big bro with him in, but that basicaly explained it all.

"1.1 Billion Muslims know my name"

Plus he would have had people on his back, expecting him to actually turn up at the HoP. This way, he gets the cash and no one gives a shit if he's there or not. Ker-ching!

 

[Streathamite]

A wonderful theory, with one small draw-back, that has never been answered by those who adhere to the 'George as pocket-liner' school of thought.
Why didn't he just keep quiet, support the war, keep drawing a fat little MP's salary just like all the others?

because he has an ego the size of several planets joined together, mayhap?
and he has.