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‘Fighting the BNP in London..' Hackney Independent

MC5 said:
I'm up early too, but I'm not walking away with an 'I'm tired' excuse.

A mass based anti-fascist movement can't be built without the involvement of a section of the Labour party - simple as.

Nighty, night.
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hey is that some kinda of macho thing .. how early you get up!? :D ( you up 6.30 every morning?)

"Forming anti-BNP alliances with those that create the problems which allow the BNP to grow is a strategy which is justifiably met with contempt by those tempted to vote for them."

this does NOT exclude working with members of the Labour Party. What it does exclude is is working with the New Labour bods who are attacking the w/c as does the old school anti fasc strategy
 
MC5 said:
Some here have already noted durutti's position being close to Strasserism. :D
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shock! ignorent leftists on urban 75 as thick as muppets on stormfront! LOL ever READ strasser???? :D

i remain astonished that apparrently intelligent and educated people can not see the differrence between 'think global act local' and extreme nationalism .. kind of sums up why we are fucked as an opposition really
 
durruti02 said:
hey is that some kinda of macho thing .. how early you get up!? :D ( you up 6.30 every morning?)

"Forming anti-BNP alliances with those that create the problems which allow the BNP to grow is a strategy which is justifiably met with contempt by those tempted to vote for them."

this does NOT exclude working with members of the Labour Party. What it does exclude is is working with the New Labour bods who are attacking the w/c as does the old school anti fasc strategy
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Tweet, tweet (dawn chorus effect).

Don't worry, New Labour bods are the ones least likely to play any part in fighting fascism. They'll be hoping for the BNP to take votes away from the tories.
 
durruti02 said:
shock! ignorent leftists on urban 75 as thick as muppets on stormfront! LOL ever READ strasser???? :D

i remain astonished that apparrently intelligent and educated people can not see the differrence between 'think global act local' and extreme nationalism .. kind of sums up why we are fucked as an opposition really
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I'm aghast, I thought it was think local, think local.
 
WRT this leaflet, it was received quite well in the meeting where it was discussed, especially by Hackney TUC (the UAF representative was distinctly cold when we handed him a copy - in fact iirc he refused to take it).

I have to admit I felt more than a little uncomfortable handing it out - I have never leafletted another Left meeting in my life with a critical leaflet - let alone one organised by an organisation I support. But it was delivered in a fraternal manner to promote some kind of debate.

In any case it was done from a position of elitism or to massage our own holier than thou egos (god knows we have made enough mistakes in the past). But I genuinely believe - as someone who has been an anti-fascist for the last 25 years - and through some tendencies that I cringe at now! - that this really is what anti-fascism should be about.
 
geoff64 said:
WRT this leaflet, it was received quite well in the meeting where it was discussed, especially by Hackney TUC (the UAF representative was distinctly cold when we handed him a copy - in fact iirc he refused to take it).

I have to admit I felt more than a little uncomfortable handing it out - I have never leafletted another Left meeting in my life with a critical leaflet - let alone one organised by an organisation I support. But it was delivered in a fraternal manner to promote some kind of debate.

In any case it was done from a position of elitism or to massage our own holier than thou egos (god knows we have made enough mistakes in the past). But I genuinely believe - as someone who has been an anti-fascist for the last 25 years - and through some tendencies that I cringe at now! - that this really is what anti-fascism should be about.
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you certainly do come across as one of the more sane left political posters on u75. do you have a link to that leaflet?
 
MC5 said:
Was I really? :hmm:
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simple when have i ever blamed the jews and when have i ever mentionned nationalism??actually i have mentionned nationalism a few times .. but to ridicule it .. any mention of strasser is quite simply a feeble attempt a a smear by someone who has lost an argument as you and your failed trotslyist tendancy have done possibly terminally

i repeat if anyone who professes political experiance as you do and yet still confuses working locally and from the very base with nationalism let alone strasserism is either thick, got their heads stuck up their arses, dishonest or on a wind up .. which is it MC?


it is a tragedy of the UK left that they have become so detatched from ordinary peoples day to day lives that any one who talks as i do of working locally is tainted with fascism .. as i said no wonder we are all up shit creek without a paddle
 
ResistanceMP3 said:
no he has quite summed up how your arguments come across on here. sorry dur.
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what an anti semitic ultra nationalist?? don't be soft .. so explain what you mean then .. sorry but i would say the same to you as i do to MC above .. is this a bit in your face?? possibly but i am sick of people smearing and shit stirring .. these are dangerous times and too many armchair lefties ( not aimed at you mate) are happy to defend a failed status quo
 
durruti02 said:
simple when have i ever blamed the jews and when have i ever mentionned nationalism??actually i have mentionned nationalism a few times .. but to ridicule it .. any mention of strasser is quite simply a feeble attempt a a smear by someone who has lost an argument as you and your failed trotslyist tendancy have done possibly terminally

i repeat if anyone who professes political experiance as you do and yet still confuses working locally and from the very base with nationalism let alone strasserism is either thick, got their heads stuck up their arses, dishonest or on a wind up .. which is it MC?


it is a tragedy of the UK left that they have become so detatched from ordinary peoples day to day lives that any one who talks as i do of working locally is tainted with fascism .. as i said no wonder we are all up shit creek without a paddle
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Would that be the local creek? :D
 
MC5 said:
There are millions of people who work in the community doing local work. Independents, Labour party members, Liberal Democrats, Respect members, trots in local campaigns, trade unionists, unaligned, Tories even...
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Here again is the same 'cross class model' hailed by the conservative/liberal Left that has failed across much of Europe over two decades and is visibly failing here too. As for Labour as natural allies - more of the usual lefty garbage. Labour is now in serious trouble, sinking membership, spiralling debt and so on. So what is the response of our revolutionary strategists? Rally round so that the party can back on its feet...God forbid anyone should try and take advantage, or see Labour's demise as a political opportunity for a clean break
 
MC5 said:
Some here have already noted durutti's position being close to Strasserism. :D
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Well they would do but is apparent from reading these threads they have little political nouse....

Comparing Duritti's views to that of Strasserism, is, in the political debate at its very least, lazy, or more than likely a reflection of them being completely politically bankrupt... they have nowhere else to turn other than false historical comparisons...
 
Divisive Cotton said:
Well they would do but is apparent from reading these threads they have little political nonce....

Comparing Duritti's views to that of Strasserism, is, in the political debate at its very least, lazy, or more than likely a reflection of them being completely politically bankrupt... they have nowhere else to turn other than false historical comparisons...
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It is sad how silly the debates become at times. Its fairly obvious that durruti is not motivated by anti semitism or racism in any way. Yet some people still compare his views to strasserites...

I think it reflects the confusion of a lot of lefties who are very warey of questioning their own views and why they are so spectacularly unsuccesful in having any political impact. Somebody like durruti is a useful scapegoat for those people cos he dares question the lack of impact....

Mind you i heard he does dress up in jackboots at the weekend....
 
tbaldwin said:
It is sad how silly the debates become at times. Its fairly obvious that durruti is not motivated by anti semitism or racism in any way. Yet some people still compare his views to strasserites...

I think it reflects the confusion of a lot of lefties who are very warey of questioning their own views and why they are so spectacularly unsuccesful in having any political impact. Somebody like durruti is a useful scapegoat for those people cos he dares question the lack of impact....

Mind you i heard he does dress up in jackboots at the weekend....
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And pray tell what impact you've had on the world?

Durruti contribution seems to have been squatting one time and keeping the tofu market buoyant.

But hey, little cogs and all that.
 
MC5 said:
And pray tell what impact you've had on the world?

Durruti contribution seems to have been squatting one time and keeping the tofu market buoyant.

But hey, little cogs and all that.
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You, sir, are a twat (and I claim my five pounds) ...
 
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