£5 billion investment promised in 15-year Wales & Borders franchise

Discussion in 'transport' started by editor, Jun 4, 2018.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Well this all sounds great - if it comes about.

    £5 billion investment promised in 15-year Wales & Borders franchise
     
  2. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

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    New trains and more services in £5bn deal
     
  3. mwgdrwg

    mwgdrwg Be a Pisces. Jam.

    Sounds too good to be true.
     
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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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    i fear that train's stopped at a red signal
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

  6. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    Shiny new trains are all very nice, but the problem is track as well - how many of the towns of mid-Wales are either completely unserved by rail, or because of single or low-speed track lines they have a rail service that could only be classed as glacial?
     
  7. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    Got to start somewhere.
    They are starting with South Wales.
     
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  8. Plumdaff

    Plumdaff joy in people

    I think we can all agree Wales has been poorly served by transport planners down the years. It's a major problem which will put decades to right. We need to be able to get from one end of the country to the other properly. The transport links between Swansea and Cardiff are shocking etc.

    The congestion around Cardiff and the Valleys (where a lot of Welsh people live) is genuinely horrendous and made even more ludicrous given even Upper Valleys commuters into the city are travelling relatively short distances and the city itself is compact and flat. These journeys should be made by rail or bus but the provision is so overcrowded and unreliable people have no choice but drive in. Cardiff congestion lasts throughout the day and is some of the worst in the UK. It's reaching crisis point here, they are building thousands more houses in and around the city and something really does have to give. I'm glad something is starting to happen and hope it can be the start of a real public transport infrastructure across the country.
     
  9. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    And by city and town planners who gave little thought to expansion needs.
    They keep adding housing and industrial developments to the M4 when it can't cope with what it as already has.
     
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  10. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I wonder if they'll ever link the Coryton line with Radyr.
     
  11. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Quite telling how shite the service is that people are happy as larry that we are getting brand new trains (with plug sockets!) instead of hand-me-downs from London. Also not pleased that they've also dropped plans to have extra stations for the East of Cardiff in Splott, Rover War, St. Mellons etc.
     
  12. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Also not keen on Chester being the northern hub coz last time I checked it isn't in Wales. Similar to what they're doing promoting the 'Severnside' Bristol-Cardiff brand, improving links with England by devaluing Welsh identity. Not on.
     
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  13. Plumdaff

    Plumdaff joy in people

    Yes. It's fucking tragic that all that our government can offer for Newport is to become a commuter belt for Cardiff and Bristol. Fuck that.

    And also, that all this is branded as 'not for profit' when it's a for profit company running it overseen by a toothless "Transport for Wales" organisation.

    But it is loads better than what we currently have. If it happens.
     
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  14. Plumdaff

    Plumdaff joy in people

    I don't understand why there will be stations at Loudoun Square and The Flourish which are both spitting distance from Cardiff Bay, unless all three are actually the same new station.
     
  15. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Easier for the AM's to get from the Senedd to Cardiff Central?
     
  16. Plumdaff

    Plumdaff joy in people

    Probably, but if they really are three stations they will almost literally be next to one another. You'll have empty trains like the empty Airport Bus. It's inexcusable when such a large swathe of East Cardiff has been overlooked.
     
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  17. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Yep, Newport gentrifies and nobody but the developers benefit. You're right as well about the branding, sneaky as fuck, and I've not read anything about the prices yet, have to keep an eye out for that.

    It looks to be a hell of a lot better than what we have, how it was allowed to get so bad is another question for Welsh Labour.
     
  18. Threshers_Flail

    Threshers_Flail Well-Known Member

    Yep. Traffic on Newport Road is shocking.
     
  19. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    So they're extending the Coryton line to Velindre Hospital. That makes a lot of sense.

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    Hospital plans show new bridge:

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  20. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    And what the fuckity fuck is 'Flourish station'?
     
  21. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    I'm not sure it does to be honest.

    It would be quicker to get off at Croyton and walk down the main road that to stay on the train for longer and the walk across the grounds.

    Not even quicker if you just want the football pitches as the changing rooms are the other side, in the hospital.
     
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  22. Plumdaff

    Plumdaff joy in people

    By the Red Dragon Centre in the Bay. They're proposing three stations within about 500 metres of each other for some reason. Can't have the AMs and City Council Cabinet walking more than three minutes, possibly.
     
  23. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It does because you currently have to go up a slope and then cross a busy road to get to the hospital.
     
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  24. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    Precious little for the North again, it seems - just "improvements" to Shotton, Blaenau and the already improved Wrexham General, and the confirmation of the expanded service on the Borderlands line (which basically will be a limited stop service Chester - Wrexham - Bidston - Liverpool and will therefore be of no use to anyone*). I would much rather have seen restoration of services to Mold (which would only require a couple of miles of new track over the old earthworks and a new station just out of town) as part of this plan, assuming of course that the electrification of the whole Borderlands line is still not an option (it should be).

    * given that it will be far quicker for people at Chester and Bidston to use Merseyrail instead, and quicker for people from Wrexham to go to Chester and use Merseyrail as well.
     
  25. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    I'll grant you that the road is busy but a cheaper solution for that would be a pedestrian bridge or a pedestrian crossing rather than a whole new station and associated infrastructure.
     
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  26. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee

    Probably because like most new stations they are squeezing some of the cost out of developers building housing in these areas. It’s how it’s done in most places now, even if the station isn’t in the best place to serve the public generally.
     
  27. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    New depot at Taff's Well:

    New depot to be built for Welsh Metro | Railnews | Today's news for Tomorrow's railway
     
  28. davesgcr

    davesgcr Reading books

    Seems to be some good stuff in here - ex ECML trains to run Holyhead to Cardiff ("proper trains") , class 170's for the Heart of Wales (nice units with big windows) , new fleet for the longer distance flows and the Cambrian Coast (which in itself gets more services)

    Good , free travel for the younger generation also. Tidy.
     
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  29. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  30. existentialist

    existentialist Running out of ways it could get worse

    Will they run goodbye rail tours, do you think? Or be late and unlamented.
     

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