http://www.movingtargetzine.com/arti...iver-fined-300
Upsetting. Really puts me off my job sometimes.
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cyclist death HGV driver sentenced
http://www.movingtargetzine.com/arti...iver-fined-300
Upsetting. Really puts me off my job sometimes.
Not that it isn't still upsetting, but this was the lady who died in December.
£300 fine and £100 costs and he keeps his license
This scares me so much. I never pull up alongside a lorry, and if there's one behind me at a light or something, I try to look up at the driver and make sure he's seen me. But we don't have eyes on the back of our heads, do we?
TBH I'm not so sure this was the lorry driver's fault - I've never sat in a lorry with a cyclist at my left while I'm waiting to turn, but I'm guessing that it's nearly impossible for them to see you? I'd blame the borough and or the mayor for not having more viable cycling lanes.
I have changed the thread title as this is not a new incident.
Cyclists are harder to see and always will be.
Accidents are going to happen as no one is 100% alert 100% of the time when driving. Its not humanly possible.
This is why I don't cycle on the roads. Its a chance I'm not willing to take.
It's outrageous:Originally Posted by BiddlyBee
Not that it isn't still upsetting, but this was the lady who died in December.
He should be banned off the roads forever.At Westminster Magistrates Court today Michael Thorn, 52 of Headley Down, Surrey was allowed to keep his driver’s licence and was ordered to pay £100 costs.
The court had been told that Thorn had been looking for some papers in his cabin when the bike was beside him and also when his vehicle began to turn left and the fatal crash occured.
Especially if people aren't even looking!
That's disgusting. I agree he should be banned permanently.
Just another example of how important it is NEVER EVER to undertake large vehicles on the LH side. I'm not blaming her, obviously - it's clearly the HGV driver's fault for not concentrating, but.....
It's just not worth the risk to undertake on the LH side.
Bit of an over reaction there. Fatal accidents on bikes are still extremely rare although cunts in SUVs don't help.
However, in multiple-vehicle crashes SUVs are probably between three (Bicycle Safety Almanac) and six (International Injury & Fatality Statistics) times more likely to kill the occupant of the other vehicle (car, cyclist, or pedestrian) than cars.
The problem is, if everyone thought like that, there would be no cyclists. Which would make it even MORE dangerous.
The massive increase in cyclists recently not just in London but everywhere is such a positive thing for cyclists - it means that we can demand more space, safety etc.
I'm going to play devils advocate here.........
Why is it CLEARLY the HGV drivers fault, when there are laws that state you should NOT undertake?
*runs and hides*
I know what you are saying. It would be nice if the UK was like Amsterdam, China etc. where cycles are in abundance and this alters the car / cycle dynamic so that it is a lot safer.
I just can't see it ever happening here though as our city planning has been too shit for decades to allow it.
Which laws are they? Are there laws that say cyclists can't undertake....?
Even if there IS a law saying that, the HGV driver was not concentrating, he was reaching to get something when going round a corner, which is plain stupid.
I see what you're saying....but cycling is on a steady increase all the time, and as public transport gets crapper, and more expensive, and less people want to use it, I think it IS possible that we could get to the point where London is a really cycle-friendly city.
We just need to believe we can get there!
Regardless of blame, I think you also have to look at the roadside railings..... as someone on the blog said- they do no good, only harm
Sorry - didn't realise that when I first read it.
Highway code:She wasn't undertaking either as the lorry was stationary - and it's not against the law anyway so your post is, frankly, full of shit.146: Take extra care at junctions. You should
* watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists and pedestrians as they are not always easy to see...
Turning left
158: Use your mirrors and give a left-turn signal well before you turn left. Do not overtake just before you turn left and watch out for traffic coming up on your left before you make the turn, especially if driving a large vehicle. Cyclists and motorcyclists in particular may be hidden from your view.
There is no law forbidding cyclists to pass on the left.
I suggest you continue to hide.
Whoops, thought there was a law regarding undertaking,which is why I posted what I did. But as you say, it clearly wasn't undertaking, she just pulled up to his left.
I'm of the same opinion as everyone else here, the lorry driver needs a life ban for being so fucking careless.
She was pulled up alongside the lorry at the lights and stationary for 37 seconds.Whoops, thought there was a law regarding undertaking,
Yeah I must have skimmed over that part.
I wonder how the judge can sleep with himself at night knowing that the driver is back on the roads the next day with only a small fine, just like a slap on the wrist. I imagine his kids/grand kids don't travel much by bicycle then.
I don't think anyone looks out for bikes. Only this morning a car pulled out in front of me without even looking in my direction (right), luckly I could see what she was up to and sensed badness so had enough time to stop. ONly too junctions later and a woman did the same thing, only this time she was looking right. She looked right at me and still pulled out right in front of me, making me skid and stop.
So, what if I'm in a car doing about 10mph on Brixton Hill clearly signalling left to go onto the South Circular, when a cyclist who I'd guess is hitting 20mph plus comes up on my left and doesn't slow down in a lane that is clearly marked as left turn or straight ahead.
Am I expected to give way?
Shouldn't he have moved to my right?
If i'd knocked him off when I'm turning left whose fault would it have been?
Probably depends if there's a cycle or bus lane on the road.
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