riots in paris banlieu... - Page 11

spring-peeper · #**251** 05-11-2005, 22:45

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Originally Posted by TeeJay

Yeah right!

How many successful economies can you name where the government runs most of the businesses?

By creating an environment that is would simulate new businesses and encourage existing businesses to grow, maybe?

TeeJay · #**252** 05-11-2005, 22:46

So that would be "liberalising" the economy then?

tobyjug · #**253** 05-11-2005, 22:58

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Originally Posted by spring-peeper

But at what point should you change from demonstrating to rioting?

Sometimes demonstrating just doesn't work

This problem has been going on for a while - some serious rioting and now it has everyone's attention.

What I might personally do when backed into a corner is irrelevant. I would never join in a riot as I am not a team person.
If I wished to take some sort of action beyond legal protest I would not do it by joining a mob.
Turning the area one lives in into a bigger shithouse than it already is, is not exactly productive.

_pH_ · #**254** 05-11-2005, 23:19

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Originally Posted by tobyjug

What I might personally do when backed into a corner is irrelevant. I would never join in a riot as I am not a team person.
If I wished to take some sort of action beyond legal protest I would not do it by joining a mob.

Sometimes even peaceful protest turns into a riot, not because of the behaviour of the participants, but because of the way in which the event is portrayed in the media.

tobyjug · #**255** 05-11-2005, 23:21

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Originally Posted by _pH_

Sometimes even peaceful protest turns into a riot, not because of the behaviour of the participants, but because of the way in which the event is portrayed in the media.

Are you seriously suggesting the media or the French government has set fire to nearly 900 cars to make a protest look like a riot?

_pH_ · #**256** 05-11-2005, 23:33

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Originally Posted by tobyjug

Are you seriously suggesting the media or the French government has set fire to nearly 900 cars to make a protest look like a riot?

No, you dick. I was pointing out that when you said you would join a protest but not a riot, you may not actually have any control over the description used.

FFS

Serguei · #**257** 05-11-2005, 23:47

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Originally Posted by spring-peeper

But at what point should you change from demonstrating to rioting?

When the demonstrators start damaging other people's property or when they try to fight with the police.

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Sometimes demonstrating just doesn't work

May be it does not work because those who try to demonstrate do not have the right for what they actually ask for and are not supported by the majority of the people? Like for example I don't think rioting paedophiles would have right to have sex with children, whatever they think about it.

tobyjug · #**258** 06-11-2005, 00:43

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Originally Posted by _pH_

No, you dick. I was pointing out that when you said you would join a protest but not a riot, you may not actually have any control over the description used.

FFS

Where did I write I would join a protest?

pbman · #**259** 06-11-2005, 02:14

[QUOTE=guinnessdrinker]

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Originally Posted by pbman

Anyways i wonder how long it will take the french to surrender this time.

hmm, everybody involved is french. also, we don't really need you in this thread.

Thats why its taking them awile to surrender...............

And are you going to go around reminding people not to bother posting,unless they write long posts or is this a different?

Anyways.

Fighting with the man, is one thing, buring up old ladys on crutches is anouther.

Thats just to cowardly for words.

Happy now?

mears · #**260** 06-11-2005, 02:35

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Originally Posted by TeeJay

Yeah right!

How many successful economies can you name where the government runs most of the businesses?

edit: "generating more jobs" - so you think the French government should generate more jobs?

Zero

Dhimmi · #**261** 06-11-2005, 03:40

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Originally Posted by Flavour

900+ vehicles burnt out last night according to BBC.
Hands up - who supports the rioters?

Depends. If we get a "La Haine Deux" out of it it might be worth it.

spring-peeper · #**262** 06-11-2005, 05:36

Night #10

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Last night five classrooms at the Sleeping Beauty Nursery School in Grigny, in the Essonne region south of Paris, went up in flames as well as two classrooms at another school.

In a measure of public dissatisfaction with the government, Yvan Lemaitre, the parent of one of the pupils at the Sleeping Beauty school, told French radio: 'Burning a school is unacceptable but the man who lit the fire is Sarkozy.'

By 1am this morning, at least 607 vehicles were burned - 13 of them inside Paris. The overall figures were expected to climb by daybreak.

source

Isambard · #**263** 06-11-2005, 08:13

---------------Yvan Lemaitre, the parent of one of the pupils at the Sleeping Beauty school, told French radio: 'Burning a school is unacceptable but the man who lit the fire is Sarkozy.'
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C'est ca; and that's your actual French.

Bernie Gunther · #**264** 06-11-2005, 08:53

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Originally Posted by where to

tell you what, if chirac had taken france into iraq.....

i remember being down at place de la concorde (nr US embassy) on a weekday in april 03-

fifty riot cop BUSSES
ten water cannons
15 armoured vehicle things

fucking mental. i asked some old boy what it was all about he said, it was in case there was going to be a demonstration.....

CRS animals were sitting in their buses and he pointed them out to me, they were sitting having their baguette rolls drinking beer. out of control.

It was the same in Belgium. I was working just outside Brussels in the run up to the war, every friday afternoon I'd be in a cab rushing to get the Eurostar and every friday there'd be this big fucking riot police scene (outside the US embassy) in the way.

tobyjug · #**265** 06-11-2005, 09:12

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Originally Posted by Isambard

---------------Yvan Lemaitre, the parent of one of the pupils at the Sleeping Beauty school, told French radio: 'Burning a school is unacceptable but the man who lit the fire is Sarkozy.'
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C'est ca; and that's your actual French.

They are a nation of philosphers.

mears · #**266** 06-11-2005, 19:44

What the hell is going on in France?

Bomb factory found?

"Police also found a gasoline bomb-making factory in a derelict building in Evry south of Paris, with more than 100 bottles ready to turned into bombs, another 50 already prepared, as well as fuel stocks and hoods for hiding rioters’ faces, senior Justice Ministry official Jean-Marie Huet told The Associated Press"

"The discovery Saturday night, he said, shows that gasoline bombs “are not being improvised by kids in their bathrooms.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9891709/

where to · #**267** 06-11-2005, 19:51

fuck sake. why does this surprise you? theres been thousands of cars torched in the last week.

Sorry. · #**268** 06-11-2005, 19:53

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Originally Posted by mears

What the hell is going on in France?

Bomb factory found?

"Police also found a gasoline bomb-making factory in a derelict building in Evry south of Paris, with more than 100 bottles ready to turned into bombs, another 50 already prepared, as well as fuel stocks and hoods for hiding rioters’ faces, senior Justice Ministry official Jean-Marie Huet told The Associated Press"

"The discovery Saturday night, he said, shows that gasoline bombs “are not being improvised by kids in their bathrooms.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9891709/

Bomb factory my arse. Anyone could arrange 100 bottles full of petrol and a few headscarves by this time tomorrow if they really wanted to.

Barking_Mad · #**269** 06-11-2005, 19:57

Hmmm Watching Channel 4 - police tear gassing a mosque with women and men inside. And the quot from Chrac saying "The state will be stronger than the rioters" - lol what a cunt.

where to · #**270** 06-11-2005, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Barking_Mad

Hmmm Watching Channel 4 - police tear gassing a mosque with women and men inside. And the quot from Chrac saying "The state will be stronger than the rioters" - lol what a cunt.

damn chirac. i thought he was going to let sarko hang out to dry as well

when was the incident with the mosque? wasn't that a few days ago now?
is C4 leading with this tonight?

questions questions!

mears · #**271** 06-11-2005, 20:28

The etnic makeup on the people running around in France is a touchy subject. I was in France one time right after 2001, just did the normal sights in Paris, normal tourist stuff. Never felt any tension. Some of you have been there many times i'm sure and know the country well.

Was this something expected? Is the media portrying these groups as mostly Muslim? Or is it a mix of more Africans and Muslims, other immigrants etc...

mears · #**272** 06-11-2005, 20:31

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Originally Posted by Bernie Gunther

It was the same in Belgium. I was working just outside Brussels in the run up to the war, every friday afternoon I'd be in a cab rushing to get the Eurostar and every friday there'd be this big fucking riot police scene (outside the US embassy) in the way.

Geeze. All American all the time indeed.

treelover · #**273** 06-11-2005, 20:51

Can anyone translate any of these on the ground reports from Paris Indymedia

http://paris.indymedia.org/

davgraham · #**274** 06-11-2005, 21:17

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Originally Posted by treelover

Can anyone translate any of these on the ground reports from Paris Indymedia

http://paris.indymedia.org/

You can get a machine translation on the same site.

but

you would need to be current with slang and current social realtions iin France to get most out of it.

Gra

tobyjug · #**275** 06-11-2005, 21:21

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Originally Posted by Sorry.

Bomb factory my arse. Anyone could arrange 100 bottles full of petrol and a few headscarves by this time tomorrow if they really wanted to.

Next two hours if you like.

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