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News just in:
Members of the Metropolitan Police Authority's senior officer conduct
sub-committee have announced today their decision in respect of
allegations against Commander Brian Paddick. The case will not be
referred to a tribunal hearing. The MPA has provided feedback and
comment to Commander Paddick. The matter is now closed.
So does he get his job back?
like fuck does he.
shame for those living in lambeth.
heres hoping he travels east and sets up shop in lewisham.
Stobart Stopper
12-11-2002, 10:28
Oh that's fantastic news, it really is. I KNEW nothing would come of it. Let's see if the Commissioner to keeps his word. (I doubt it though.)
The sub-committee's decision was made in accordance with its powers
under the Police (Conduct) (Senior Officer) Regulations 1999 in
respect of allegations that Commander Paddick's conduct had failed to
meet the appropriate standard.
The sub-committee has taken this decision after full and thorough
consideration of all the evidence collated by the investigating
officer in this matter including written submissions received from
Commander Paddick.
The Authority is unable to discuss the details of any individual
case - no media interviews or facilities.
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It's unclear at the moment if Paddick has been completely cleared, or if the
MPA has issued him "words of advice" - ie a written disciplinary warning.
We are trying to clarify this.
Stupid Twat - sorry to be rude but occasionally I really wonder what planet you are on!
The Commissioner has already broken his word and and made it clear to all of us he has no interest in Lambeth residents wishes whatever they are. Wake up.
But yeah, good Brian isn't getting even more crap.
Caspar Hauser
12-11-2002, 11:58
OK, so they have found him guilty (conduct has failed to meet the appropriate standard) without a trial (the case will not be referred to a tribunal hearing) but they won't punish him (the matter is now closed), or what? :rolleyes:
Mrs Magpie
12-11-2002, 12:02
No they haven't found him guilty...it's going no further as I understand...I too am trying to find out more........
This from lambeth4paddick (http://lambeth4paddick.org)
Unless the Met announce otherwise, there is still a job to be done heading up Lambeth’s police by an officer of Commannder rank and that officer should be Brian Paddick. Sir John Stevens and Lord Toby Harris now have not even a privet leaf with which to hide their shame.
The retention of the rank of Commander in the borough is the subject of an allegedly independent review, costing £70,000 of public money, by Accenture (formerly Anderson Consulting). Within the borough, there are serious doubts as to the independence of this review:
On Friday 25 October, the Met’s press office briefed Richard Evans of the South London Press, that the decision to abolish the Commander rank had already been taken;
At the November meeting of Lambeth Police Community Consultative Group on 4 November, Chair Lee Jasper reported that the Group had not been approached by Accenture for consultation;
At the same meeting, Lambeth Councillor Charles Anglin (Deputy Executive Member for Community Safety) reported that “regrettably” Accenture had not approached the Council either.
There is an old saying, that a consultant is someone who borrows your watch to tell you the time. In this case, it looks like the hands have been set first. The Mail on Sunday allegedly paid £100,000 to get Brian Paddick out of Lambeth. Looks like London’s tax payers are having to cough up £70,000 to help Sir John and Lord Toby finish the Mail’s business.
Peter Matisse
12-11-2002, 13:57
It seems obvious to me that the Met and their creatures, the MPA, are doing what they always do, which is to word things in such a way as to leave a doubt when there is none.
Either Brian has breached the rules or he has not. To say they have written to him but will not discuss what was said is typical double speak.
The people of Lambeth have been lied to by the Commissioner and the MPA. A superb police officer who has done so much to improve police/community relations over many years has been removed from his rightful post for almost a year. All the crap about policing by consent and working together to beat crime is just that, crap!
This has all happened because of a homophobic witchhunt conducted from within the Met, by senior police officers. The Met which is run by a commissioner who has demonstrated that his word cannot be trusted, and in fact it seems the Met is really run by the Daily Mail. When the DM says jump, the commissioner and the MPA say how high.
Neither the commissioner, Sir John Stevens, nor the deputy commissioner, Ian Blair, have lifted a finger to protect Brian from any of this. They either have no control over their officers or they share their views. I do not see how Sir John can remain as commissioner, I think he has no option but to resign.
The attempt to have Lambeth run by an officer below the rank of commander must be resisted. The commissioner lied again when he said that a review was taking place to decide the matter. He had already decided before the review started and circulated documents showing Lambeth without a commander. The people doing the review, accenture, have only spoken to selective people regarding Lambeth. They have not spoken to local councillors or local groups, and MP Keith Hill has been told that no matter what the review says Lambeth will not have a commander. And Westminster, which also has a Borough Commander, has been deliberately excluded from this review which included Lambeth and other boroughs.
Again I say the commissioner should resign and Lord Toby Harris, chair of the MPA, has a lot of questions to answer about his part in all of this as well.
We do not have to put up with being treated in this way!
The fight goes on!
Edited for theatricality.
Mrs Magpie
12-11-2002, 14:10
Originally posted by Peter Matisse
..........a revue was taking place to decide the matter.........The people doing the revue, accenture, have only spoken to selective people regarding Lambeth..............
Great Freudian slip Peter!
I can see that "Springtime for Stevens" is taking shape!
Peter Matisse
12-11-2002, 19:14
As you know Mrs M I am just soooo theatrical. :D
Caspar Hauser
12-11-2002, 19:17
Great Independent leading article. :cool:
Prove there is no prejudice: send Paddick back to Lambeth have his old job back (http://argument.independent.co.uk/leading_articles/story.jsp?story=351576)
Mrs Magpie
12-11-2002, 19:34
I'm impressed!
Peter Matisse
12-11-2002, 19:46
Caspar you are the business, what would we do without you!
This article just says it all.
Come on Sir John, make yourself the second most favorite cop in Lambeth, let Brian come home.
Please.
The BBC website is wrong and I have demanded they change it.
The letter from the MPA does not say that I demonstrated a lack of judgement in permitting the use of my premises for the smoking of cannabis, for failing to take positive action to deal with any criminality or for not consulting a senior officer about meeting my ex when I knew he was on bail. I have consistently denied these allegations and they have not been proved in a tribunal. To suggest I fell below the appropriate standards in regard to these matters is libellous.
The only advice they have given is that, if I find myself in a similar position in the future, I should seek the advice of a senior officer.
Newsnight BBC2 10.30pm may be worth watching ;) .
Mrs Magpie
12-11-2002, 23:02
I watched Newsnight (one of my rare forays towards the world of TV) Brilliant to hear that Brian still wants to come back. We had better sure there's still the post of Commander to come back to...I fear that Lambeth will get stitched up by Accenture previously Andersen Consulting who made such a good job of the computers for the London Ambulance Service....remember that fiasco?
:rolleyes:
IntoStella
12-11-2002, 23:15
Originally posted by Mrs Magpie
I fear that Lambeth will get stitched up by Accenture previously Andersen Consulting who made such a good job of the computers for the London Ambulance Service....remember that fiasco? Er... not to mention Andersen's involvement in that minor Enron matter ;) ;) ;)
They should all have been locked up by now.
I didn't see Newsnight. What happened?
William of Walworth
12-11-2002, 23:28
Originally posted by Mrs Magpie
I watched Newsnight (one of my rare forays towards the world of TV) Brilliant to hear that Brian still wants to come back. :rolleyes:
Was he interviewed on Newsnight tonight, then, Mrs M?
Mrs Magpie
12-11-2002, 23:30
The small and perfectly formed Ms Wark talked to Brian Paddick about the investigation, Lambeth etc....He has been found guity of nothing.....he has been advised though that if he is in a moral dilemma that he should seek advice on what to do from a more senior officer.........
Basically he said he loved the job of being Commander in Lambeth, and given the chance to come back he'd grab it with both hands.......
There's probably a link to see it again on the Newsnight bit of the BBC website.......
Stobart Stopper
13-11-2002, 07:08
It appears that the ball is now in his court for his return to Lambeth. I'd love to see how the Commissioner could possibly refuse.
tarannau
13-11-2002, 07:34
Just seen on BBC Breakfast - Jon Gaunt's hot topic is 'Do The People of Lambeth want Paddick back?'
...just rushing to work now, but anyone's who's free might want to let their opinions known....
IntoStella
13-11-2002, 09:51
Darn! I wish I'd known. Anyone else hear it? How did it go?
I really didn't like that Ms wark, trying to be Jeremy Paxton only without ammo. Could have been a bit clearer, she still left it seeming you had done something wrong with the "did you allow cannabis stuck record bit"
Also they are continually saying 'Your' initiative to soften the approach to drugs, and then saying it has been discontinued, hasn't it been taken nationwide?
So much double talk:mad:
Thought you held your own against an unpleasant woman
Stobart Stopper
13-11-2002, 12:03
nice tie though! (Brian I mean.)
This press release from the Green Group in the Greater London Authority re this morning's meeting.
Green Assembly Member censured for supporting Paddick: Controversy over Paddick deepens
Darren Johnson, Leader of the Green Party Group on the London Assembly has been censured by the Assembly for standing up for Brian Paddick, the Borough Police Commander who was moved from his post in Lambeth.
Darren Johnson, who is openly gay, said at the Assembly, “There is a widespread public perception that Brian Paddick has been treated shabbily by both the Metropolitan Police Service and the Police Authority.”
His comments were immediately seized upon by Labour and Conservative members who argued that Darren’s comments reflected badly on those Assembly Members who had taken part in the Metropolitan Police Authority’s inquiry into Paddick. Darren Johnson refused to withdraw his remarks and an emergency motion to censure him was approved by Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat colleagues. This is the first ever time a member of the London Assembly has been censured in this way since it was established.
Darren added,
“I will not be silenced on this issue. Commander Paddick has an excellent record as a police officer and it is an utter tragedy that he is not back at his desk in Lambeth. By not reinstating him as Lambeth’s Borough Commander, the Police are in danger of sending out a message that you can’t be gay, you can’t be innovative and you can’t be successful.”
GaryJenkins
13-11-2002, 13:45
The letter from the MPA does not say that I demonstrated a lack of judgement in permitting the use of my premises for the smoking of cannabis, for failing to take positive action to deal with any criminality or for not consulting a senior officer about meeting my ex when I knew he was on bail. I have consistently denied these allegations and they have not been proved in a tribunal. To suggest I fell below the appropriate standards in regard to these matters is libellous.
Brian
I missed Newsnight. For the record could you say please
1) Were you ever aware that Mr Renolleau was smoking cannabis in your flat?
2) Were you aware that he was on bail and did you consider that to follow police regulations you were expected to notify your "association" to a senior officer?
christonabike
13-11-2002, 13:50
Hi there
On Newsnight he came over as a politician would, because he had to, I guess
When asked about the smoking of dope, anyone would have said, "Yeah, he had a joint, I told the fucker to stop, but he wouldn't, waddaya do, he was my boyfriend, I got over it"
But he went on about the words used, and he wasn't "letting him" or other such stuff
He wants his job back and is acting accordingly, quite right
Gary: You can see the most recent Newsnight here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm)
Stobart Stopper
13-11-2002, 15:25
Doesn't it make you sick though...that a person's reputation can be torn to shreds in this way? Brian must have been through absolute hell this year and I feel that it's time that something is done about this trial by media crap. The public are sick of it, it's becoming boring.
It's been amazing reading the level of support for him on here. I think that many of the officers in Lambeth want him back, that's what I have heard anyway. Nothing wrong with the present commander but they want their old boss back where he belongs. Please don't give up! The people of Brixton want him back so you go out there now and demand it, you know what the area needs more than anyone.
And if you are reading this Brian, I hope you get back there as soon as possible. Good luck, boss!:)
Peter Matisse
13-11-2002, 18:37
I watched Newsnight last night and I never thought I would ever see what I did. I could not sleep last night and it has been on my mind all day. I just don't know what to say, I could not beleive it!
Was Brian actually flirting with Kirsty Wark!
Was she playing Katherine Hepburn to his Cary Grant!
Did you notice her little coy smiles and the looks, and his slightly roguish grin at the end of some of his sentances.
We know you have been through eight months of hell Brian, and the strain must have been at times unbearable, and we all marvel at how you have kept going and kept everyone else going too, so maybe you are not quite yourself at the minute.
But then again as a gay man myself, I may prefer apples, but I can still appreciate peaches.:D
You old devil you.;)
Yes, I did catch him smoking. Yes, I did everything I reasonably could to stop him. I have never admitted breaking the law and it has not been proved that I did. No, the regulations do not require an officer to report genuine meetings with close friends and relatives who are on bail. I did not have to report the matter.
Thanks for the brilliant support everyone.
Peter, flirting with Kirsty, how could you suggest such a thing! :o
Mrs Magpie
13-11-2002, 20:02
I met her about a year or so ago in my mates kitchen and she gave me the best Bloody Mary recipe I have ever known.....for what it's worth, I like her (probably for that recipe alone!) and think she's a highly intelligent person, but I wasn't thrilled with that particular interview. I don't think she should give interviewees an easy ride, but I thought she was badly briefed. Which, if her info came via the MPA or the Met, doesn't surprise me.........
Cynical, me? :rolleyes:
IntoStella
13-11-2002, 23:20
Peter! ROFLMAO! :D :D
Brian, thanks for being so honest with us.
I've been round the block a few (hundred) times and I'm not a fool, and I truly believe you have real integrity, and for that I support you unconditionally, for what it's worth. I hope to see you back where you truly belong.
What IntoStella said.
Mrs M, name-dropper! :) :rolleyes:
(She doesn't know any astronauts, but she knows all other 6 billion humans, I've discovered).
IntoStella
13-11-2002, 23:49
Originally posted by hatboy
(She doesn't know any astronauts, but she knows all other 6 billion humans, I've discovered). What? You mean she hasn't contacted intelligent life on other planets and advised them on how to get stains out of their undies yet?? I'm disappointed, I really am! ;) ;) :D :D
Was Brian actually flirting with Kirsty Wark![/B]
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Peter: I take it as the cappuccino di tutti cappuccini for the Lambeth Cosy Nostra (http://argument.independent.co.uk/regular_columnists/philip_hensher/story.jsp?story=351265), you will be organising appropriate disciplinary action?
Can you still get horses heads down Old Compton Street?
Stobart Stopper
14-11-2002, 09:23
let this be a lesson to homophobic fuckwits everywhere in any organisation. Justice has been done here. I know there were other issues too but I still think Brian was the victim of a homophobic witch-hunt and it was vile and spiteful. What difference does it make? Sorry if anyone feels I shouldn't be writing this but this is how I feel and it's made me mad as you all know I feel so strongly about gay rights etc. Everyone is equal in my eyes, be it about race or sexual orientation, or disability.
Rant over!
mods, you can remove this if you like, it's ok.
Mr Retro
14-11-2002, 09:55
IMO justice is far from being done. It won't be done until Commander Paddick is back in his position in Lambeth and the Met have apologised along with some resignations for allowing The Daily Mail to dictate policy.
Stobart Stopper
14-11-2002, 10:19
he'll be back, how can they refuse now? It's up to you lot to fight for him, like I said. I am sure that you will suceed. If you'd asked me this a few months back I'd have said no chance as I was convinced that the MPA would stitich him up too. Now there's no reason for Brian to go back and carry on.
Mrs Magpie
14-11-2002, 11:36
Originally posted by Stupid Twat
Now there's no reason for Brian to go back and carry on.
I presume you mean "Now there's no reason for Brian not to go back and carry on "
ST - there's nothing wrong with your passion against homophobia, it's just that sometimes you appear to have not quite understood what's going on. As Mr Retro said justice has not been done for the reason he stated.
I also think the Commissioner may very well (and is sadly more likely than not to do this) continue to refuse to return Brian to Lambeth. How can he refuse? Well, by doing nothing, and "nothing" is an easy thing to do isn't it?
Stobart Stopper
14-11-2002, 11:39
Originally posted by Mrs Magpie
I presume you mean "Now there's no reason for Brian not to go back and carry on "
yes! Sorry, having a VERY bad week. Must get some pro-plus.
Hatboy, I must change my name, mate!;)
Peter Matisse
14-11-2002, 17:01
Oh please, we've gone from Katherine Hepburn and Cary Grant to 'Carry On' - what next spaghetti westerns.
Pooka - we don't do horse heads, we do poodle heads - minced!
:)
As for disciplinary action, the Latte sub committe met today and we feel that as the alleged offence took place well after the watershed, (it could have been worse it could have been Jeremy Paxman), will will recomend that on future ocasions Brian consults at least 25 senior ranking members of the Lambeth Cosy Nostra, (which by the way is supposed to be a secret organisation, with some people it's just blabber, blabber, blabber) on the appropriate behavior of such an illustrious member of the gay community. Besides which he's not been at all well you know, no don't laugh, no don't, no, it's been all down one side, poor soul.
Anyhow I must away to find my Flit Gun as I have just discovered I have fairies at the bottom of my garden.
Ciao! Bella!:D
Caspar Hauser
15-11-2002, 06:33
Just a line from The Guardian's 'Side lines'. :D
Another Sidelines hero: Brian Paddick. Give him his old job back! You big fat meanies.
This from the South London Press:
Paddick: no further action (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200southlondonheadlines/page.cfm?objectid=12366359&method=full&siteid=50100)
Note that they are inviting people to write in saying whether they want Paddick back in Lambeth. (There's a mail link at the bottom of the article; the address is letters@slp.co.uk)
Interview in today's Observer (http://www.observer.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,841372,00.html)
"Brian Paddick, Britain's most scrutinised gay policeman, gives his first interview since being cleared of drugs allegations. He tells John Lyttle about cannabis, smears - and why he wants his job back"
Caspar Hauser
18-11-2002, 09:56
A 'must read' on BBSNews.
The Met at its 'best'. :( :rolleyes:
"Sir John is a man [of] Integrity and does not Lie" (http://bbsnews.net)
Can I just say a big thankyou to BBS News for that article. Here it is:
Thankyou! :)
Originally posted by Caspar Hauser
A 'must read' on BBSNews.
The Met at its 'best'. :( :rolleyes:
"Sir John is a man [of] Integrity and does not Lie" (http://bbsnews.net)
Now if the Guardian (or Ben Summerskill who wrote it) could refute the Press Office's claim that they didn't issue the quote in the first place :)
Originally posted by hatboy
Can I just say a big thankyou to BBS News for that article.
You are most welcome.
Michael Hess
Edior, BBSNews
http://bbsnews.net
Peter Matisse
18-11-2002, 16:40
Don't forget that Sir John was asked by a BBC television news reporter about this quote when Brian was 'offered' his new job. Sir John did not make any denial, he merely looked shifty and uncomfortable and said ' That is the past, I want to talk about the future.'
White man speak with forked tongue !! :mad:
Mrs Magpie
18-11-2002, 19:08
...and in email exchanges with The Commissioners office they have not denied it either where 'The Famous Quote' has been mentioned, just that I should wait and see what the Consultants say about the future of the Commander post....which seems to have been pre-decided before they came in anyway.
How can you tell when Sir John Stevens is lying?
His lips move..............
Streathamite
19-11-2002, 15:06
We need to step up a campaigning gear. i reckon we should picket scotland yard with lie detector gear. "Now Sir John, about your promises over brixton police..."
Jessiedog
19-11-2002, 19:18
Big up to bbsnews.
WOULD SIR JOHN CARE TO TAKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST ABOUT HIS "ALLEGED" COMMENTS?????
;)
Woof
Streathamite
20-11-2002, 16:09
er, jessie, I just did that one didn't I? :confused:
Lay off the, ahem, "psychedelic bonios"lass, if you want my advice
Jessiedog
20-11-2002, 17:28
Sorry Jezza,
Try to think of it as merely a reinforcement of your original commendable sentiments posted by a drunk doggie at 4:20 in the morning.
*slinks away, tail between legs*
:(
Woof
Caspar Hauser
22-11-2002, 14:51
Councillors want top cop back in post (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400lambeth/page.cfm?objectid=12395731&method=full&siteid=50100)
Nice one! :cool:
Let's wait and see if the LibDems are any good. :rolleyes:
Just got in with the SLP in my sticky mit, and as ever pipped to the post from Austria! Clearly, you're destined for a career in cyber surveillance, Caspar :)
The respective stregnths on Lambeth Council are:
Labour 28
Lib Dems 28
Conservatives 7
So, even if all the Tories vote against, it would take just 4 Lib Dems to vote for the motion to get it carried. It would be hard for the current plan to go ahead and for the Met/MPA to sustain any pretence of listening to local opinion. Sir John Stevens has made much of the "sea change" in the relationship with the council to justify downgrading the post.
I suggest anyone who has a Lib Dem councillor, especially one who took their seat from Labour at the last election and may not feel wholly secure, get on to them now. You can find their email address on the Lambeth website (http://www.lambeth.gov.uk), under "Open Government"," Cllr's, MP's and MEP's", on the left hand side of the screen.
Mr Retro
22-11-2002, 15:34
This is good stuff. It's not going to go away as easily as some would have hoped is it?
Meanwhile, from Lambeth's lugubrious scrivener, writing in the
Standard (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/2128102):
"Anyone who saw Brian Paddick's performance on Newsnight this week cannot have failed to be impressed.
For those of us who have always been supporters, it was no surprise that he came across as the clean-cut, sensible, intelligent officer we've always maintained he was. Let's hope his superiors recognise it and let him have his old job back in Lambeth.
For those of us resident in the borough, the idea that our commander wanted to - as he told Kirsty Wark - "do this job more than anything else" was both reassuring and amazing.
Paddick wanting to clean up crime in Lambeth is on a par with Hercules being desperate to clean out the Augean stables - something that most of would us heartily wish to avoid. On that basis alone the man deserves to be regarded as a bit of a demigod."
(c&p cos TIS archive shuffles articles about)
tarannau
28-11-2002, 11:16
Blimey, perhaps we should try and enlist some of Brian's burgeoning celebrity support.
First it was Ben Elton, doing the media rounds for his new book. Fairplay to the old fartie - he's paid ample compliments to Paddick (apparently an inspiration for the lead character) and his stance in every interview I've seen. He stood his ground well with that frumpy Fern woman on This Morning, emphasising the homophobic hounding that Brian suffered and the difficulty of constructively commenting on the drugs issue with such a hysterical press about.
any way we can sneak some 'Support Brian Paddick' items onto HIGNFY? Wouldn't Self look fetching with a pink balloon.... ;)
Just to add,
Anyone who attended the Fridge meeting can follow the resulting correspondence with Lord Harris:
Meeting to Lord Harris (http://www.lambeth4paddick.org/html/meetingl4ptompa.html) ;
Lord Harris's Response (http://www.lambeth4paddick.org/html/harristol4p.html) ;
Response to Lord Harris, unpicking Commisioner's "standard response" (http://www.lambeth4paddick.org/html/l4ptoharris24nov.html)
OK, this vote on Wednesday - the Council motion calling for Paddick's return. It is proposed by Labour so most/all Labour will support it (so they tell me).
Most/all tories won't. So, please, please email your local LibDem councillors? They are the ones who can swing it.
Please email any/or all LibDems for the Lambeth Wards listed here:
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/borough/rep_default.html
This motion fell under the guillotine. More later
Jessiedog
05-12-2002, 00:16
:(
Woof
The motion has been moved to 16 December.
Caspar Hauser
05-12-2002, 11:10
Nice to see you back Brian. :cool:
tarannau
05-12-2002, 12:49
On the plus side a short story about Lambeth's councillors calling for the return of Paddick did surface on the local news section of BBC Breakfast this morning.
And that ruddy faced git Gaunt even managed to keep his mouth shut on the subject for once. Bargain :)
Details of the Council meeting, Cllr Myerson's motion and Cllr Anglin's amendment are here (http://www.lambeth4paddick.org/html/council.html)
Caspar Hauser
06-12-2002, 09:29
The whole Paddick issue aside I think the people will know whom they'll have to thank when the Commissioner abolishes the post of Commander. :mad:
But hey, we and the media all got it wrong; the improvement in the relations between the police and the people in Lambeth isn't tue to Brian Paddick but because of the Libdem/Tory administration. :D :rolleyes:
BTW, according to the Met Crime Statistics, there has been an 9 % increase in muggings from May (when the new administration came into power) to October in the borough.
Charles Anglin, Councillor of Fantasy Land
Expect an important announcement from Brian Paddick on this site at 2pm.
GaryJenkins
06-12-2002, 10:49
Accoring to Metropolitan Police Authority website at
www.mpa.gov.uk/news/borough-visits/2002.htm (http://www.mpa.gov.uk/news/borough-visits/2002.htm)
Toby Harris is due to visit Lambeth on 12th December
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