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Hello,
Firstly I would like to thank whoever is behind this website and the articles about Brixton. Their are hugely informative and unprecedented in their detail about the recent history of Brixton.
I am a post graduate student of architecure (at the University of Nottingham), currently working on my final project, a speculative and theory driven architectural programme based on the therapeutic treatment of schizophrenia, multimediation of disparate realities and 4 dimensional collage. Essentially, I am very interested in issues surrounding schizophrenia. There is a very strong fascination with Lambeth, not only because of the abundance of different facilities for the treatment and rehabilitation of schizophrenics, and the raised levels statistically of mental health in Lambeth, but also because of the strong commitments of the communities of Lambeth to deal with issues affecting locals so ardently.
Last week I visited Southwark, Brixton and Camberwell multiple times, walking around, understanding how certain things are and generally collecting information about what it is like. I took pictures and sound recordings, and delved into the history. Unfortunately, on my last day (last wednesday) i took a picture of the Brixton barrier from Coldharbour lane, and inadvertently photographed an overly suspicious young man's car. I can understand his concern, and he confiscated my camera (a cheap disposable, I am not too worried, i was taking pictures on 3 different cheapo cameras). But this leaves me with less photographic information than I would like.
So if anyone is willing to share photographs of different parts of Coldharbour Lane, but particularly around and in the former dolehouse site i would be grateful. These photographs are for educational purposes only. Additionally, if there are any photographs of Cooltan in full swing, these would be extremely useful. If required, I can prove my status as a post graduate student.
You can post information, photographs and other things here, or pm me and i will give you my email addresses if you prefer.
Thanks in advance,
Ajmir Kandola
boskysquelch
20-11-2007, 16:25
not froody
also, as i will be visiting the coldharbour lane are in the future, i am keen to meet some local residents and perhaps liase in order to learn more about the area, and i am quite wary of taking pictures again, i have a friend who lives on southwell road and it would be great to wlak around with someone who knows the area better than me...
a little bit more about me: i live in radford in nottingham, and have lived here for the last five years studying, i have a site with some badly organised bits of portfolio if anyone is interested in hearing more about the project pm me :)
Weeeell, rule 1 of the FAQ states
Please note that these are discussion boards and not a free resource for journos/students/market researchers.
But you're being ever so polite, plus you made nice compliments about the site, so I'll be nice and let this stay :)
not froody
oh well, is there anywhere else you can point me to to get some more info?
Weeeell, rule 1 of the FAQ states
But you're being ever so polite, plus you made nice compliments about the site, so I'll be nice and let this stay :)
oh whoops, i didn't realise, sorry
could you perhaps point me in the right direction?
untethered
20-11-2007, 16:37
I am a post graduate student of architecure (at the University of Nottingham), currently working on my final project, a speculative and theory driven architectural programme based on the therapeutic treatment of schizophrenia, multimediation of disparate realities and 4 dimensional collage.
Is that anything to do with the design and construction of buildings?
Is that anything to do with the design and construction of buildings?
loosely yes, there is a requirement for me to meet certain aspects of the planning regulations however this is not really my area of interest in architecture at this time. why do you ask? do you need some architectural advice?
untethered
20-11-2007, 16:42
loosely yes, there is a requirement for me to meet certain aspects of the planning regulations however this is not really my area of interest in architecture at this time. why do you ask? do you need some architectural advice?
I'm interested in architectural education.
Which aspects of architecture don't concern the design and construction of buildings?
Is that anything to do with the design and construction of buildings?
Not much. That's architectural education for you.
</jaded>
There are departments of architecture that produce graduate with 1st class degrees who do not know how big a brick is :mad:
As for the OP, you're pretty much on the top resource for Brixton info - if you can't find it at http://www.urban75.org/brixton/index.html then it probably doesn't exist!
boskysquelch
20-11-2007, 16:51
I keep reading the OP..coz I have nothing else to do...but the paragraphs don't add up.
Anways...Ruskin & j33bus are to blame for it all IIRC.
well, it depends what you mean by design and construction i guess. different schools have different approaches to how an architecture is conceived. there is a varied opinion about what architecture entails. traditional schools tend to teach about construction methods pertaining to how architecture is constructed now i.e. foundations, steel frames, timber frames, construction technologies, ecological issues etc. these tend to apply a very pragmatic approach to conducting a site analysis, a design being informed by things such as circulation, function, services etc. but this stuff you tend to learn as as part of the experience you gain working in a practice. Architectural education spreads much wider than this though. Design for a world that has not happened throws up a million problems, and theory tends to take over. Philosophy, art and literature instills a deeper meaning to what an architect's role is, especially within architectural education, when you are designing fictitious projects for fictitious scenarios. So, the driving force of a design process can be anything really, depending on how you see architecture. the current trend in education relates to cyberspace, and the manifold paradigms this opens up for an architect, a designer of spaces. obscure concepts drawn from other creative fields can be put into operation and tested against an architectural brief in order to assimilate a new idea of what the design process is. I could probably go on rambling incoherently forever about architectural education. a good summary of how architecture taught can probably found on the bartlett website, although this is just one way architecture is taught. each school has their own way, though ultimately some part of the student's projects have to meet certain RIBA and ARB standards.
undergrad
http://www.bartlett.ucl.ac.uk/architecture/programmes/bsc.htm
postgrad
http://www.bartlett.ucl.ac.uk/architecture/programmes/diploma.htm#anchor1
http://www.bartlett.ucl.ac.uk/architecture/programmes/units/unit_search.htm
for this project though, the brief is consumed with the site and its histories, so it is very important to gain as much of an understanding about the way things are, and simple anthropomorphics and constructional considerations are massively important. even if the materials and architectural systems may not rely on the materials that are commonly used to construct buildings, there is a necessary exchange between what is there and what might be there in the future
As for the OP, you're pretty much on the top resource for Brixton info - if you can't find it at http://www.urban75.org/brixton/index.html then it probably doesn't exist!
yes this resource has been hugely informative, i have been reading it a lot.
cyberspace. manifold paradigms. obscure concepts
:mad::mad:
Bartlett
mega-fucking-:mad::mad::mad:
ahem. sorry.
ish.
boskysquelch
20-11-2007, 17:07
what is there and what might be there in the future
Illth? :(
it is true that the system of architecture education is in massive need of restructuring and stuff. i think everyone who has studied it in some capacity comes away pissed off and disillusioned. that's not a great start to a career really
hi,
what's 4 dimensional collage?
which institutions are you looking at?
hi,
what's 4 dimensional collage?
which institutions are you looking at?
4 dimensional collage is very much in the vein of Kurt Schwitters' Merzbau. it is kind of like a personal construction made of things and memories that corroborate to form a singular idea of individual space, based on a spatial residue of something else
well as for institutions, i am currently looking at
St. Thomas’ Hospital
King’s College Hospital
SLAM
Mosaic Club
Mad Chicks
Southwark Mind
The Lorrimore (Drop In)
Southside Partnership
53 Woodbourne
Amardeep
Arts Therapy Clinic
Cane Hill
Chelsham Road
Clapham Manor Street
Kenwyn Road
Killieser Avenue
Kingsmeade Facility
Assertive Outreach
Early Onset Crisis Team
Mayall
Rosewood
some more in depth than others
also as precedents places like la borde clinic in south france
:lol:
please expand!
Are you sure you want me to? :D
An architect is a professional, engaged in the design of buildings. This is a specialised and technical business, with many facets - managerial, technical, aesthetic. However, judging by what was encouraged at the educational establishments I've been in, it's actually all about hand-waving and skin-deep reading of fashionable philosophers, coffee-table social analysis and the fetishism of graphics. All in the service of 'justification' for the crazy unbuildable art project presented as a 'building'
Now. I've got no problem with this as an artistic pursuit. There are some beautiful forms out there, and brain wanking (aka. philosophy) is just as much fun as any other artform. Hell, a lucky few might even make it big enough to get their fantasies turned into actual buildings, win some prizes and retire to a penthouse loft on the thames.
BUT, for this to form the core of undergraduate education is a complete perversion of what the profession is supposed to be about. We have had graduates from the bartlett and the aa in for interview in the office who do not know the first thing about designing real-world buildings. The architectural educational system is completely arse-about-face.
The bits I hate are anyway.
Rant over.
Back to my changing room layouts :)
4 dimensional collage is very much in the vein of Kurt Schwitters' Merzbau. it is kind of like a personal construction made of things and memories that corroborate to form a singular idea of individual space, based on a spatial residue of something elseA what?!
:confused:
Illth? :(
vibrant ecofeminist communities a la marge piercy! who knows!
tbh i wasn't expecting quite a scrutinous response!
A what?!
:confused:
It's a scuplture that's there one day and taken away the next.
untethered
20-11-2007, 17:31
I had that Iain Borden in the back of my cab once.
He started wittering on about architecture being the mediation of space though individuated experience and contested narratives of value.
So I said, "You're in luck, mate. I don't go south of the river after nine. It looks like your stop."
I've still got his brolly.
It's a scuplture that's there one day and taken away the next.Eh? That makes no sense to me. If it's there, it's a sculpture. If it's not, then it isn't. Where does the 'spacial residue' stuff come into it?
Eh? That makes no sense to me. If it's there, it's a sculpture. If it's not, then it isn't. Where does the 'spacial residue' stuff come into it?
Oh, I don't know, maybe it leaves some marks behind. And people will remember it. If you call that something like 'spacially-informed gestalt' then you get bonus points.
untethered
20-11-2007, 17:34
Eh? That makes no sense to me. If it's there, it's a sculpture. If it's not, then it isn't. Where does the 'spacial residue' stuff come into it?
You'd better brush up all this stuff double quick.
While the architects are skylarking in cyberspace, we're going to need people like you to design buildings.
untethered
20-11-2007, 17:34
Oh, I don't know, maybe it leaves some marks behind.
"Memory".
Are you sure you want me to? :D
of course!
An architect is a professional, engaged in the design of buildings. This is a specialised and technical business, with many facets - managerial, technical, aesthetic. However, judging by what was encouraged at the educational establishments I've been in, it's actually all about hand-waving and skin-deep reading of fashionable philosophers, coffee-table social analysis and the fetishism of graphics.
oh i agree with you. especially about the fetishism. at nottingham for the first two years we adhered to a strong education based on drawing and presenting a project with fully accounted for constructional details, ventilation studies, service plans etc. But you quickly realise that this is hugely important in architecture - how to build buildings right? Yet it is just a show, you cannot comprehend how it works in terms of a real life project, no matter how many site visits you do. When you really learn about the bread and butter of architecture is in the fourth year. where you are flung into a practice.
Now. I've got no problem with this as an artistic pursuit. There are some beautiful forms out there, and brain wanking (aka. philosophy) is just as much fun as any other artform. Hell, a lucky few might even make it big enough to get their fantasies turned into actual buildings, win some prizes and retire to a penthouse loft on the thames.
BUT, for this to form the core of undergraduate education is a complete perversion of what the profession is supposed to be about. We have had graduates from the bartlett and the aa in for interview in the office who do not know the first thing about designing real-world buildings. The architectural educational system is completely arse-about-face.
the undergraduate part is poorly treated in schools, yes, the first year is mainly weeding out slackers, the second is how someone can draw a project together using rudimentary concepts to drive a design programme. Having nearly failed the first two years, I realised more and more that I was not studying architecture to become an architect, I was failing at being a good architectural technician yes, yet i was learning how to follow an idea through into a coherent and expansive body of artistic work. this made me happy. I know i will never be a great architect, and I don't really mind. there re plenty of things to do on the periphery of architecture. how does architecture progress if there is no extensive investigation into architecture as a future scheme of built environments? this is what i felt they were teaching us about. about things that might (or might not) supercede current methods of producing architecture.
In diploma it becomes a very individual pursuit of an architectural project. and ultimately very technical. there is a greater requirement to comply with planning regs etc. so everyone has to produce a building and a technical document explaining how it is built. Even the craziest bartlett unit. What they do is in the first year they rush ahead and design a building and spec it up to the nth degree. in the second year of diploma they do their architectural experimentation
Back to my changing room layouts :)
haha. in my 4th year i worked for a small firm in rural hertfordshire designing nursing home bathrooms :o
I had that Iain Borden in the back of my cab once.
He started wittering on about architecture being the mediation of space though individuated experience and contested narratives of value.
So I said, "You're in luck, mate. I don't go south of the river after nine. It looks like your stop."
I've still got his brolly.
GOLD
boskysquelch
20-11-2007, 17:39
tbh i wasn't expecting quite a scrutinous response!
Well you never know waht random is reading waht here abouts. ;)
Keep plodding in an amiable manner, enjoy the diversity of the community here and I'm sure you will find many here willing to pass on knowledge and comment. :)
*posting from West Penwith.:D
tbh i made 'spatial residue' up. but you can see what it means no?
for example ley lines or a fossil or something that hints at a former activity, a lingering semi space that is still consumed in some way by its story
boskysquelch
20-11-2007, 17:41
GOLD
deity of intellectual skaters. :D :D :D
Ah, so you aspire to be a commentator on architecture, rather than an architect? That's quite a different matter :)
Maybe I'm just bitter. I found myself nearing the end of my 1st diploma project, and all I had was a sci-fi story and some pretty bubbles. And this was what I'd been encouraged to do. I realised it had bugger all to do with the job I did, so got out of there quickly. Best decision I ever made :)
Well you never know waht random is reading waht here abouts. ;)
Keep plodding in an amiable manner, enjoy the diversity of the community here and I'm sure you will find many here willing to pass on knowledge and comment. :)
*posting from West Penwith.:D
:D
Ah, so you aspire to be a commentator on architecture, rather than an architect? That's quite a different matter :)
Maybe I'm just bitter. I found myself nearing the end of my 1st diploma project, and all I had was a sci-fi story and some pretty bubbles. And this was what I'd been encouraged to do. I realised it had bugger all to do with the job I did, so got out of there quickly. Best decision I ever made :)
my last project entailed building second tier instruments that filled in the gaps between a cityscape and its sound. i am interested in interactive elements of architecture and site specific installation, hopefully i will find something that i can do hat interests me and advances architecture and generally makes things better. and i did architecture instead of fine art because i don't have the security to mess around and be a starving artist, so my vocation will hopefully provide me with some backup. i feel like quitting the course all the time, but it would be a huge waste of my time. i don't plan on qualifying though, a diploma is quite enough.
boskysquelch
20-11-2007, 17:50
this is what i felt they were teaching us about. about things that might (or might not) supercede current methods of producing architecture.
I think Borden and the above got me thinking about what I'm involved in ...and My Own We're All Dooooomedness:o ... www.cornishhedges.com
architecture being the mediation of space though individuated experience and contested narratives of value.
it will..it has to...return to a base of where you Live...not jus where you Exist at certain points of time. /Polpot mode :(
more importantly, as brixton residents in the 21st century the former site of cooltan arts should be something more than a block of flats?
www.cornishhedges.com
i once wrote a poem about cutting hedges and topiaric pursuits. in hindsight it was pretty bad, i kept chopping and changing it
oh good grief
your coat, sir? :)
memespring
20-11-2007, 18:24
Peter Ackroid's always banging on about spacial residue (although not those words). So a place has a certain feeling or type associated with it based on previous usage. e.g. he argues the Old Bailey has been a roman fort gate used to imprison people, several later prisons, and now a court because it has the idea of cime and punishment intrinsically associated with it somehow.
Could all be arse of course.
boskysquelch
20-11-2007, 18:24
i once wrote a poem about cutting hedges
hedges are solid with rocks in'em... you were playing in a hedge-row. :p
well sort of.
re flat building...again IIRC there's not much there in the sense of area...and hieight wise..again IIRC you wouldn't get way with much...so the flats would be pokey and prolly wouldn't stand the test of time given the current trends..ping pong ping pong ping pong ping pong.
It'll end up as flats.:(
Does the original shell have to stay?
Is it there any anyways already?!:D
* I signed-on in there once..the following week it was closed and they made you go down to the then new offices in Peckharm.
** I also have a historical connection with the building/Cooltan(the original squatting of both the factory & the dolehouse)... but none of it is relevant to your current inquiries & interest...BUT the story features in my Life atm coz a friend 2 miles from me here isn't answering his phone coz i mentioned some ol'Cooltan bollocks with a connection to Urban the otherday and he went into a tizzy..long story....hence my scrutiny_ish.:rolleyes:
Peter Ackroid's always banging on about spacial residue (although not those words). So a place has a certain feeling or type associated with it based on previous usage. e.g. he argues the Old Bailey has been a roman fort gate used to imprison people, several later prisons, and now a court because it has the idea of cime and punishment intrinsically associated with it somehow.
Could all be arse of course.
indeed. however there is probably some merit in picking up something about previous existence and transforming it as part of something new everything tends to recycle in one way or another, sometimes it is done consciously and sometimes it is not.
but yes. could be all arse
And of course, it's important to remeber that you can't construct buildings out of arse.
Unless you're H R Geiger, in which case, arse is just the beginning.
this board makes me giggle
OpalFruit
20-11-2007, 18:41
i once wrote a poem about cutting hedges and topiaric pursuits. in hindsight it was pretty bad, i kept chopping and changing it
LOL.
Sorry you got your camera nicked.
Was probably an overly suspicious U75 member ;)
this board makes me giggle
The hooks are in. I'd log out now and burn your password if you value your free time :)
boskysquelch
20-11-2007, 18:55
Could all be arse of course.
THE LAND OF COKAYGNE
Out to sea, far west of Spain,
Lies the land men call Cokaygne.
No land that under heaven is,
For wealth and goodness comes near this;
Though Paradise is merry and bright
Cokaygne is a fairer sight.
For what is there in Paradise
But grass and flowers and greeneries?
Though there is joy and great delight,
There's nothing good but fruit to bite,
There's neither hall, bower, nor bench,
And only water thirst to quench.
And of men there are but two,
Elijah and Enoch also;
Sadly thither would I come
Where but two men have their home.
In Cokaygne we drink and eat
Freely without care and sweat,
The food is choice and clear the wine,
At fourses and at supper time,
I say again, and I dare swear,
No land is like it anywhere,
Under heaven no land like this
Of such joy and endless bliss.
There is many a sweet sight,
All is day, there is no night,
There no quarreling nor strife,
There no death, but endless life;
There no lack of food or cloth,
There no man or woman wroth.
There no serpent, wolf or fox,
Horse or nag or cow or ox,
Neither sheep nor swine nor goat,
Nor creeping groom, I'd have you note,
Neither stallion there nor stud.
Other things you'll find are good.
In bed or garment or in house,
There's neither flea nor fly nor louse.
Neither thunder, sleet nor hail,
No vile worm nor any snail,
Never a storm, nor rain nor wind,
There's no man or woman blind.
All is sporting, joy and glee,
Lucky the man that there may be.
There are rivers broad and fine
Of oil, milk, honey and of wine;
Water serveth there no thing
But for sight and for washing.
Many fruits grow in that place
For all delight and sweet solace.
There is a mighty fine Abbey,
Thronged with monks both white and grey,
Ah, those chambers and those halls
All of pasties stand the walls,
Of fish and flesh and all rich meat,
The tastiest that men can eat.
Wheaten cakes the shingles all,
Of church, of cloister, bower and hall.
The pinnacles are fat puddings,
Good food for princes or for kings.
Every man takes what he will,
As of right, to cat his fill.
All is common to young and old,
To stout and strong, to meek and bold.
There is a cloister, fair and light,
Broad and long, a goodly sight.
The pillars of that place are all
Fashioned out of clear crystal,
And every base and capital
Of jaspar green and red coral.
In the garth there stands a tree
Pleasant truly for to see.
Ginger and cyperus the roots,
And valerian all the shoots,
Choicest nutmegs flower thereon,
The bark it is of cinnamon.
The fruit is scented gillyflower,
Of every spice is ample store.
There the roses, red of hue,
And the lovely lily, too,
Never fade through day and night,
But endure to please men's sight.
In that Abbey are four springs,
Healing and health their water brings,
Balm they are, and wine indeed
Running freely for men's need,
And the bank about those streams
With gold and with rich jewels gleams.
There is sapphire and uniune,
Garnet red and astiune,
Emerald, ligure and prassiune,
Beryl, onyx, topasiune,
Amethyst and chrystolite,
Chalcedony and epetite.' *
There are birds in every bush,
Throstle, nightingale and thrush,
Woodpecker and the soaring lark,
More there are than man may mark,
Singing with all their merry might,
Never ceasing day or night.
Yet this wonder add to it -
That geese fly roasted on the spit,
As God's my witness, to that spot,
Crying out, 'Geese, all hot, all hot!'
Every goose in garlic drest,
Of all food the seemliest.
And the larks that are so couth
Fly right down into man's mouth,
Smothered in stew, and thereupon
Piles of powdered cinnamon.
Every man may drink his fill
And needn't sweat to pay the bill.
When the monks go in to mass,
All the windows that were glass,
Turn them into crystal bright
To give the monks a clearer light;
And when the mass has all been said,
And the mass-books up are laid,
The crystal pane turns back to glass,
The very way it always was.
Now the young monks every day
After dinner go to play,
No hawk not any bird can fly
Half so fast across the sky
As the monk in joyous mood
In his wide sleeves and his hood.
The Abbot counts it goodly sport
To see his monks in haste depart,
But presently he comes along
To summon them to evensong.
The monks refrain not from their play,
But fast and far they flee away,
And when the Abbot plain can see
How all his monks inconstant flee,
A wench upon the road he'll find,
And turning up her white behind,
He beats upon it as a drum
To call his monks to vespers home.
When the monks behold that sport
Unto the maiden all resort,
And going all the wench about,
Every one stroketh her white toute.
So they end their busy day
With drinking half the night away,
And so to the long tables spread
In voluptuous Procession tread.
Another Abbey is near by,
In sooth, a splendid nunnery,
Upon a river of sweet milk,
Where is plenteous store of silk.
When the summer day is hot
The younger nuns take out a boat,
And forth upon the river clear,
Some do row and some do steer.
When they are far from their Abbey,
They strip them naked for their play,
And, plunging in the river's brim,
Slyly address themselves to swim.
When the young monks see that sport,
Straightway thither they resort,
And coming to the nuns anon,
Each monk taketh to him one,
And, swiftly bearing forth his prey,
Carries her to the Abbey grey,
And teaches her an orison,
Jigging up and jigging down.
The monk that is a stallion good,
And can manage well his hood,
He shall have, without a doubt,
Twelve wives before the year is out,
All of right and nought through grace,
So he may himself solace.
And the monk that sleepeth best,
And gives his body ample rest,
He, God knows, may presently
Hope an Abbot for to be.
Whoso will come that land unto
Full great penance he must do,
He must wade for seven years
In the dirt a swine-pen bears,
Seven years right to the chin,
Ere he may hope that land to win.
Listen Lords, both good and kind,
Never will you that country find
Till through the ordeal you've gone
And that penance has been done.
So you may that land attain
And never more return again,
Pray to God that so it be,
Amen, by holy charity.
*must stop surfin... :D
lang rabbie
20-11-2007, 18:58
well as for institutions, i am currently looking at
St. Thomas’ Hospital
King’s College Hospital
SLAM
Mosaic Club
Mad Chicks
Southwark Mind
The Lorrimore (Drop In)
Southside Partnership
53 Woodbourne
Amardeep
Arts Therapy Clinic
Cane Hill
Chelsham Road
Clapham Manor Street
Kenwyn Road
Killieser Avenue
Kingsmeade Facility
Assertive Outreach
Early Onset Crisis Team
Mayall
Rosewood
Ahem - well if you are referring to all of those as "institutions", it suggests that you have already turned SLAM's phone directory into a generator of architectural forms.:rolleyes:
No, the top three are institutions, the rest are subsidiary components of what is loosely defined as support services for the rehabilitation of the mentally ill (although some of them are part of institutions). I have read into what each provides, with particular interest in ones that provide 'art therapy'
i am interested in this art therapy the most, and how art can and has acted as a rehabilitative force in the lives of many people diagnosed as mentally ill.
the purpose of accumulating these names together was to assess firstly what services are available in the area and secondly what these services provide. if there are more that i have missed please feel free to tell me.
I have talked to doctors in other parts of the country about systems in place dealing with mental health in the nhs, current trends and future plans with regards to funding etc. and have come to the conclusion that since the introduction of care in the community, these fragmentory facilities offer better rehabilitation than previous models of mental healthcare. what is evident is that the funding is not always there to extend these programs and develop them into more forward reaching processes that command how a mentally ill person interacts with the world after being part of an institution.
As i said, i am particularly interested in the idea of art therapy, and my project will essentially be based on extending and expanding art therapy in a way that increases a proponent course of action relating an individual to their environment. rehabilitation.
'site context' and 'project context'
it is all very well proposing a facility for the rehabilitation of schizophrenics, but when considering a)what its real function is and b) where it should be involves looking at the history of mental healthcare in london, and the present situation, and any discrepancy or shortcoming of a system currently in place.
'precedents'
are not solely looking at the architecture of a building used for whatever function. there needs to be an engagement with other situations in the past and present where rehabilitation is more successful and less successful. for example in rural areas there is a higher success of mentally ill people rejoining society successfully. in developing countries too. yet the services may be inferior. why is that?
Cane Hill
have you managed to blag in there?
or are you going in by more unorthodox means
yardbird
20-11-2007, 21:40
Okay, so I'm lazy and I just skimmed this thread - stopping at times to read with bemused amusement - but..........
As far as the question, "what is the oldest profession?" is concerned, I think it's a toss up (oh yeah!)
If anyone is bothered, please think about this.
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