Celtic place names in London

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Read the other day that London and parts of the Thames Valley were Celtic strongholds for a while against the marauding Saxons. Buildings were demolished in London and the rubble piled up to make the city walls higher.

But do any Celtic place names survive? The river Effra may be one, derived from the Celtic word yffrid, meaning 'torrent'.

Any other possibilities?

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Brent and Thames are both Celtic river names.

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London is evidently named after the Welsh God Llud!

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heh heh! Well King Lud might be derived from Llud, so in turn we'd get Ludgate from that.

Wikipedia on the origins of 'London':

The name Londinium is thought to be pre-Roman (and possibly pre-Celtic) in origin although there has been no consensus on what it means. It was common practice for Romans to adopt native names for new settlements. A common theory is that it derives from the Celtic name Londinion, which was probably derived from the personal name Londinos, from the word lond meaning 'wild'.

Pre-Celtic eh.

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Read the other day that London and parts of the Thames Valley were Celtic strongholds for a while against the marauding Saxons. Buildings were demolished in London and the rubble piled up to make the city walls higher.

Interested . . . and sceptical wrt this being a provable fact rather than romantic speculation, remember where you read that?

Wikipedia on the origins of 'London':

Sorry, but :rolleyes: x10000

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Interested . . . and sceptical wrt this being a provable fact rather than romantic speculation, remember where you read that?

I first read about it in Simon Young's book 'AD 500: A Journey through the Dark Isles of Britain and Ireland'. It's a really entertaining read, but also well-referenced.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/D-500-Journey-Through-Britain/dp/0297848054

Sorry, but :rolleyes: x10000

Well maybe the pre-celtic bit is far-fetched. But otherwise, it's not hard to imagine some Roman centurion collaring a local Briton: "Right you, what's this shit hole called then?"

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heh heh! Well King Lud might be derived from Llud, so in turn we'd get Ludgate from that.
sorry if im stating the obvious, but ludgate circus used to be the site to the gate of the old town walls, whence Lud was king.

also lewisham is an anagram of 'i am welsh'

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it's not hard to imagine some Roman centurion collaring a local Briton: "Right you, what's this shit hole called then?"

Then we'd expect it to be called the Welsh for "it's a town, you stupid twat".





I want to believe there's a river in Australia whose name translates into English as "a fuck of a lot of water, fool!"

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also lewisham is an anagram of 'i am welsh'

fuck me it is as well.

All your London place name origin needs met here:

http://www.krysstal.com/londname.html

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I want to believe there's a river in Australia whose name translates into English as "a fuck of a lot of water, fool!"

Like 'budgerigar' meaning 'it's good to eat' sort of thing.