View Full Version : Tottenham Hale - shithole
Blimey. I didn't expect much but it's all roads, railings, roundabouts and ugliness.:(
Blimey. I didn't expect much but it's all roads, railings, roundabouts and ugliness.:(
What were you doing there when you could have been in a lovely little community festival in Lordship Park, watching fruit and veg get judged?
What were you doing there when you could have been in a lovely little community festival in Lordship Park, watching fruit and veg get judged?
Really???
Can't believe I missed that! :(
I don't think I've ever been to Tottenham Hale, despite it being the most local landmark on the local map.
Probably a good thing then, eh? :D
The park was nice though. If we'd got up earlier we could have taken our own veg, and our tomatoes would have thrashed their tomatoes, easy.
Really???
Can't believe I missed that! :(
Where do you live then, I didn't know you were quite that local! We'll have to keep you abreast of future community goings on.
The next local event is going to be me and rich! going down the Tollgate for a few pints in about 2 hours, if you fancy it. :D
maximilian ping
08-09-2007, 16:36
Tottenham Hell. nasty. i wish it wasn't so close to Walthamstow
rich! asked me to post this pic from his phone of two policemen eating candy floss in the park earlier - the nicer side of Tottenham.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Stiglet/misc/Image023.jpg
that marquee had the vegetable judging in it.
aah, cops and candyfloss :D
bluestreak
08-09-2007, 17:05
tottenham hale truly is one of the most godforsaken corners of london.
Minnie_the_Minx
08-09-2007, 18:51
yeah but it's handy for the Stansted Express, so it has got ONE thing going for it
DJ Squelch
08-09-2007, 18:55
that marquee had the vegetable judging in it.
aah, cops and candyfloss :D
Were they expecting trouble at the vegetable judging then? :D
Stobart Stopper
08-09-2007, 19:09
bBlimey. I didn't expect much but it's all roads, railing, roundabouts and ugliness.:(
Great footie team though, so much better than Cardiff City, don't you think?;)
MysteryGuest
08-09-2007, 20:10
Northumberland Park up the road makes Tottenham Hale look like Hampstead. It's even got a lane called Carbuncle Passage.
e2a
Carbuncle Passage N17 is 2G31 on the A-Z, if there are any doubtaz out there. :p
It's pretty crap. All the ugliness, and soooo much fast food, too. Yuck.
Northumberland Park up the road makes Tottenham Hale look like Hampstead. It's even got a lane called Carbuncle Passage.
e2a
Carbuncle Passage N17 is 2G31 on the A-Z, if there are any doubtaz out there. :p
No it's not, it's 2G33 on mine. I used to go out with a girl who lived about 200 yds from their on Lansdowne Rd. Just up from Allied Carpets.
Were they expecting trouble at the vegetable judging then? :D
they did have a really good plice presence - about one-in-a-hundred, I reckon.
mind you, the entire thing seemed to be organised by anarchists with megaphones intent on taking the Lottery for £4million to establish an eco-center and city farm, so you can see why they'd be worried....
Dubversion
08-09-2007, 23:37
What were you doing there when you could have been in a lovely little community festival in Lordship Park, watching fruit and veg get judged?
we were at the inaugural London Rollergirl Derby. which was aces, and knocks your fruit and veg into a hatted cock :p
we were at the inaugural London Rollergirl Derby. which was aces, and knocks your fruit and veg into a hatted cock :p
Photos! We demands photos!
mind you, you had to go to Tottenham Hale :D
FridgeMagnet
08-09-2007, 23:38
agreed
agreed :(
There's a good old-school gay pub just by the station though. At least, it was quite fun last time I lived there, which was a while back.
Dubversion
08-09-2007, 23:41
Photos! We demands photos!
mind you, you had to go to Tottenham Hale :D
being uploaded now, although i suspect the ed's were better
I think editor's just been to Ikea
I think editor's just been to IkeaNot me, squire. I was at the Rollerderby too.
Dubversion
09-09-2007, 00:15
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/dubversion/London%20Rollergirl%20Derby%20Sep%208th/londonrollergirlderby809.0714.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/dubversion/London%20Rollergirl%20Derby%20Sep%208th/londonrollergirlderby809.0723.jpg
I think editor's just been to Ikea
wouldn't he go to the edmonton one where they have proper riots?
Dubversion
09-09-2007, 00:25
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/dubversion/London%20Rollergirl%20Derby%20Sep%208th/th_goodcrash.jpg (http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/dubversion/London%20Rollergirl%20Derby%20Sep%208th/?action=view¤t=goodcrash.flv)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/dubversion/London%20Rollergirl%20Derby%20Sep%208th/th_goodcrash.jpg (http://s26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/dubversion/London%20Rollergirl%20Derby%20Sep%208th/?action=view¤t=goodcrash.flv)
It's like RollerBall with, one hopes, fewer deaths :D
wouldn't he go to the edmonton one where they have proper riots?
Er, I have no idea how you get to Edmonton by public transport :D
Er, I have no idea how you get to Edmonton by public transport :D
By tube
Tottenham Hale tube station, just inside Zone 3 - Victoria line. Bus FREE IKEA Shuttle Bus from Tottenham Hale Station - 10 minute ride to IKEA. Bus 192 - 10 minute ride to IKEA.
Inquiring minds want to know about Ikea's new range of sprung wooden flooring - tested with ten million miles of roller-derby :D
bluestreak
09-09-2007, 02:57
is fappage wrong now?
pinkmonkey
09-09-2007, 06:47
There's a lot going on in tottenham hale, if you scratch beneath the surface. There's a whole bunch of peeps living in warehouses round there, my mate lives in one. Its so big they have a stage in their front room.
So I don't care that its shitty round the station, there's a lot going on here and I've got a lot of mates here.
There's a lot going on in tottenham hale, if you scratch beneath the surface. There's a whole bunch of peeps living in warehouses round there, my mate lives in one. Its so big they have a stage in their front room.
So I don't care that its shitty round the station, there's a lot going on here and I've got a lot of mates here.
You have also got the River Lea to walk along, Tottenham Marshes to wander around and you have got the reservoirs north and south of Forest Road which for the sum of £1.00 you can spend the whole day walking around. For nearby refreshments you have the Ferry Boat Inn. Dosent sound too bad too me.
BarryB
Bahnhof Strasse
09-09-2007, 09:11
yeah but it's handy for the Stansted Express, so it has got ONE thing going for it
Had just abouts the largest empty warehouse in London.
Handy for raves.
Other than that, dump.
Dubversion
09-09-2007, 09:38
It's like RollerBall with, one hopes, fewer deaths :D
there was the odd moment where I felt what it really needed was a motorbike with spiked wheels, to be fair
There's a lot going on in tottenham hale, if you scratch beneath the surface. I'm sure there is, but my walk to Philip Lane from the station was especially depressing. It was almost all road, with the pavement actually disappearing - LA style - at one point to make more room for yet more lanes of traffic.
It was 10 minutes of sheer, relentless, soul crushing ugliness.
I'm sure there is, but my walk to Philip Lane from the station was especially depressing. It was almost all road, with the pavement actually disappearing - LA style - at one point to make more room for yet more lanes of traffic.
It was 10 minutes of sheer, relentless, soul crushing ugliness.
That roundabout is one of London's little lowlights.
Here's my Rollergirl video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiaMffFxYbY
(Sadly it's been compressed to fuck by YouTube, but check out the bruiser in the pink skirt!)
That roundabout is one of London's little lowlights.
I don't think I've ever been to this roundabout!
I demand that you take me out on a romantic walk to this roundabout.
We can have ice cream when we get there. :D
You have also got the River Lea to walk along, Tottenham Marshes to wander around and you have got the reservoirs north and south of Forest Road which for the sum of £1.00 you can spend the whole day walking around. For nearby refreshments you have the Ferry Boat Inn. Dosent sound too bad too me.
BarryB Yes the river Lea (Lee?) is great. I stayed on it last weekend and had a lovely time.
Me and Han saw a weird creature grazing by the reservoir which looked like a cross between a sheep, a cow and a horse. Pics to follow.
I'm sure there is, but my walk to Philip Lane from the station was especially depressing. It was almost all road, with the pavement actually disappearing - LA style - at one point to make more room for yet more lanes of traffic.
It was 10 minutes of sheer, relentless, soul crushing ugliness.
You should have got off at Seven Sisters. Bit more normal Tottenham life coming from that direction and it's actually nearer if you come out of the right exit. (I just looked on a map and Tottenham Hale looks closer but as you found out it's not exactly a pedestrian route).
You should have got off at Seven Sisters. Bit more normal Tottenham life coming from that direction and it's actually nearer if you come out of the right exit. (I just looked on a map and Tottenham Hale looks closer but as you found out it's not exactly a pedestrian route).I know that, but I fancied taking a look at somewhere new.
I'd been to T Hale before to meet an ex girlfriend for a meal at that insufferably ugly and depressing block of big brand food outlets close to the station, and wondered if it could get any worse.
It could.
there was the odd moment where I felt what it really needed was a motorbike with spiked wheels, to be fair
as it was the first event, perhaps the organisers will appreciate feedback as to how it can be improved for next time :)
as it was the first event, perhaps the organisers will appreciate feedback as to how it can be improved for next time :)Quite a few people I spoke too (all blokes, natch) fancied less clothing on the girls might be a good start.
I'd been to T Hale before to meet an ex girlfriend for a meal at that insufferably ugly and depressing block of big brand food outlets close to the station, and wondered if it could get any worse.
There is actually 1 pretty nice restaurant in Tottenham Hale, down by the river. It's run by some chef who trained with Gordon Ramsey and you can get a 3 course Sunday Lunch for £12.
What the name of the place?
FridgeMagnet
09-09-2007, 18:04
You should have got off at Seven Sisters. Bit more normal Tottenham life coming from that direction and it's actually nearer if you come out of the right exit. (I just looked on a map and Tottenham Hale looks closer but as you found out it's not exactly a pedestrian route).
Seven Sisters is less of a wasteland than Tottenham Hale, certainly, but I wouldn't include it in any tourist guides, put it that way.
What the name of the place?
The Lock (http://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/london/view/83961/The_Lock_Dining_Bar). It's in a big yellow building on the bridge from Tottenham Hale to Walthomstow. It's right next to one of the locks.
Prince Rhyus
09-09-2007, 19:54
Given the way property prices are going, I'm surprised that someone hasn't gone:
"Hmm...good links to Stansted Airport, on the Victoria line, goes into Liverpool Street...let's flatten some stuff and build rah-ty pads!"
The Lock (http://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/london/view/83961/The_Lock_Dining_Bar). It's in a big yellow building on the bridge from Tottenham Hale to Walthomstow. It's right next to one of the locks.
Cheers, looks pretty nice!
dash_two
10-09-2007, 09:13
There are some good Turkish caffs/restaurants in Tottenham but otherwise it is a bit of a crap-hole.
PacificOcean
10-09-2007, 10:33
There is nothing at Tottenham Hale as it was just built as an interchange between the Victoria Line and the ONE lines to Hertford and Cambridge.
Seven Sisters and Tottenham (Swan), however, are the biggest shit holes this side of Newport Pagnell.
Yes the river Lea (Lee?) is great. I stayed on it last weekend and had a lovely time.
Me and Han saw a weird creature grazing by the reservoir which looked like a cross between a sheep, a cow and a horse. Pics to follow.
look forward to that picture - was it a unicorn?
look forward to that picture - was it a unicorn? No, it didn't have the horn. Han's got some pics too, and still hasn't put them up despite me hassling her.
Watch this space.
PacificOcean
10-09-2007, 10:50
Munjack deer (sp?)
Have started a thread: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=6451094
with pics.
ovaltina
11-09-2007, 12:51
Tottenham is indeed horrible. I lived there back in the early 90s. Turnpike Lane was luxury in comparison as it had a cinema (the coronet, since replaced with a multiplex and glamerous Shopping City in Wood Green.
Tottenham is indeed horrible. I lived there back in the early 90s. Turnpike Lane was luxury in comparison as it had a cinema (the coronet, since replaced with a multiplex and glamerous Shopping City in Wood Green.
Tottenham is not horrible. It might not have much going on on the high st, but that isn't that important to everyone. It has some fantastic parks, a tudor castle and the Lee valley which is a stunning part of London. It's an absolutely fantastic place to own energetic dogs and there is loads of really cheap fruit and veg available 24 hours a day. And it has got some of the best transport in Zone 3.
RenegadeDog
11-09-2007, 14:39
There's a lot going on in tottenham hale, if you scratch beneath the surface. There's a whole bunch of peeps living in warehouses round there, my mate lives in one. Its so big they have a stage in their front room.
So I don't care that its shitty round the station, there's a lot going on here and I've got a lot of mates here.
I remember some absolutely cracking squat parties in the early noughties around there, probably in some of the warehouses you mention...
KeyboardJockey
11-09-2007, 14:40
I've just moved to Tottenham Hale / Seven Sisters and I've got to say I'm loving it. I've never felt so safe in years walking round the streets and my car hasn't been vandalised. I don't have bnp scum knocking on my door asking for my vote. Basically it feels like heaven when compared to living in Dagenham.
Behold! The majesty of Tottenham Hale!
http://www.urban75.org/london/images/tottenham-hale.jpg
This was taken on my route from the tube, a walk that involved trudging over a large concrete bus station concourse (busily transporting people to the Ikea in Edmonton), passing a hideous block of corporate food chains and then walking along a busy one-way road.
Just before this scene, the ever decreasing pavement was eventually pushed completely off the road, making me walk through a run down council estate before I rejoined the road at this charming spot.
Nice, huh?
KeyboardJockey
11-09-2007, 14:50
Behold! The majesty of Tottenham Hale!
http://www.urban75.org/london/images/tottenham-hale.jpg
This was taken on my route from the tube, a walk that involved trudging over a large concrete bus station concourse (busily transporting people to the Ikea in Edmonton), passing a hideous block of corporate food chains and then walking along a busy one-way road.
Just before this scene, the ever decreasing pavement was eventually pushed completely off the road, making me walk through a run down council estate before I rejoined the road at this charming spot.
Nice, huh?
Still better than Dagenham though.
pinkmonkey
11-09-2007, 14:59
Editor: but you could say that about any shitty one way system in London. I've a shitty road like that to get to my place, too.
I love it in Tottenham, thought I'd never say that, lots of wildlife, saw a few rabbits this morning, saw a weasel last week, actually saw my first ever wild snakes in the UK this summer, one of which was swimming accross the river. You can hire canoes and kayaks here too. Rural Tottenham rocks!
Editor: but you could say that about any shitty one way system in London.But the whole mile long trip was like that. Ugly from start to finish. All cars, railings, roundabouts and concrete. Noisy. Unpleasant.
When the pavement ended and pushed me off into some council estate that was the final straw.
*note: I'm not referring to all of Tottenham here, just Tottenham Hale.
But the whole mile long trip was like that. Ugly from start to finish. All cars, railings, roundabouts and concrete. Noisy. Unpleasant.
Well if you walk along a main road & transport route that kinda tends often to be the case.
:confused:
RenegadeDog
11-09-2007, 23:54
I've just moved to Tottenham Hale / Seven Sisters and I've got to say I'm loving it. I've never felt so safe in years walking round the streets and my car hasn't been vandalised. I don't have bnp scum knocking on my door asking for my vote. Basically it feels like heaven when compared to living in Dagenham.
Anywhere would feel like heaven compared to Dagenham.
Well if you walk along a main road & transport route that kinda tends often to be the case.No, it doesn't. I can't recall the last time that I walked along a pavement from the main station that actually got pushed off the road to make more room for cars.
No, it doesn't. I can't recall the last time that I walked along a pavement from the main station that actually got pushed off the road to make more room for cars.
Noise, concrete, cars.etc. this all generally applies to main roads and traffic routes.
You're only real beef seems to be that there wasn't a pavement. Fair enough, though I expect if you lived in the area you'd know to use one of the residential roads. These things happen when you don't really know an area.
Next time walk in the opposite direction and you'll see a different side to Tottenham Hale.
KeyboardJockey
12-09-2007, 11:56
Noise, concrete, cars.etc. this all generally applies to main roads and traffic routes.
You're only real beef seems to be that there wasn't a pavement. Fair enough, though I expect if you lived in the area you'd know to use one of the residential roads. These things happen when you don't really know an area.
Next time walk in the opposite direction and you'll see a different side to Tottenham Hale.
Yup. I've never had problems getting round TH. If I was walking to say Mannions pub then I'd walk to it via Broad Lane. Just a case of knowing your way around.
And I still say that it is better than Dagenham. At least you can buy books in the area as far as I remember Dagenham doesn't even have a bookshop. Even the street drinkers are relatively polite in TH.
chico enrico
12-09-2007, 12:05
yea, it is a total dump isn't it? i've only ever been there twice, to go to the B&Qs near the tube, but on one occassion i saw someone getting mugged (i think...there was deffo something heavy going on) and on another i had some crackhead get really aggressive when i told him i didnt have any cigarettes (i didn't).
both incidents directly outside the tube station by the way.
horrible, horrible place.
You're only real beef seems to be that there wasn't a pavement. Fair enough, though I expect if you lived in the area you'd know to use one of the residential roads. No, the 'beef' was that for the entire walk was I was flanked by a particularly ugly road surrounded by a sea of concrete, railings and roundabouts.
Moreover I was almost made to feel guilty for not driving, with the tiny pavement being wedged between a high fence and a road barrier before being kicked off the roadside altogether.
I then had to walk through a run down estate and through horrible little alleys before finding myself back on a tiny pavement next to the roaring traffic.
Ugly as fuck. No town should have to look that bad and no pedestrian should be treated in such a manner.
I always considered tottenham hale as the outskirts of tottenham. It's not really a town in itself. Looks like it used to be a goods offloading point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Hale). Not all of tottenham is like tottenham hale!
I still hate tottenham though :p
No, the 'beef' was that for the entire walk was I was flanked by a particularly ugly road surrounded by a sea of concrete, railings and roundabouts.
It's less than a kilometer of a walk with about 3 alternative routes to make the journey you made. You just went a bad way, there are roads like that all over London. Ever walk around the area by Wembley Ikea, I got lost there once and it's much, much worse. And there's a section of Edmonton that's full of furniture shops and I think a big Borders bookshop and I don't actually think it's possible to travel between some of the stores without a car.
Moreover I was almost made to feel guilty for not driving,
If you were driving that route you'd have been made feel a lot more guilty as you would have been going the wrong way on a one-way system.
This is basically the point. The editor didn't know the area, so he walked along the traffic throughfare.
As a cyclist your directed along the cycle path.. as a pedestrian you'd walk along the residential roads - away from the nasty traffic noise and fumes.. No big deal really.
PacificOcean
12-09-2007, 17:45
It's a bit rich calling Tottenham Hale a shit hole from someone who lives in Brixton.
psycherelic
12-09-2007, 20:41
I went and looked round a flat in northumberland park the other day and that was pretty horrible too, the area reminded me of Stoke on Trent :eek::(:(
lang rabbie
12-09-2007, 20:50
There is a grand plan to completely rebuild the area...
Transforming Tottenham Hale -Urban Centre Masterplan Supplementary Planning Document (http://www.haringey.gov.uk/tottenham_hale_spd_low_res.pdf)
Can't find anything recent about timescales on the Haringey web site
It's less than a kilometer of a walk with about 3 alternative routes to make the journey you made. You just went a bad way, there are roads like that all over London. It's less than a kilometer of a walk with about 3 alternative routes to make the journey you made. You just went a bad way, there are roads like that all over London. I went the quickest way.
And whatever route I took that wouldn't stop the area around the station - including that utterly soulless set of corporate fast food restaurants - being a vile sea of concrete and roads.
No wonder they're proposing to redevelop it!
Admire my route here. Zoom in for more concrete!
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1313024
lang rabbie
12-09-2007, 22:21
Admire my route here. Zoom in for more concrete!
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=1313024
The American cultural imperialism of Google maps took me to a map centred somewhere in the midwest (Coffeyville, Kansas - actually) when I inadvertently hit the "Return to the last result" icon.
Which is probably a fair comment on what the car focused 1970s design if most of Tottenham Hale currently aspires to.
There is a grand plan to completely rebuild the area...
Transforming Tottenham Hale -Urban Centre Masterplan Supplementary Planning Document (http://www.haringey.gov.uk/tottenham_hale_spd_low_res.pdf)
Can't find anything recent about timescales on the Haringey web site
That's quite an interesting piece of work.
Not sure how well it will work in practice, but in theory it looks rather good....
I went the quickest way.
Actually the quickest way would have been to get off at Seven Sisters.:p
And yes the retail park is horrible and souless, but there are similar retail parks all over the place. There's even a bunch of them in Ireland. Horrible places and I can't understand who designed them and who the hell gave them permission to be built.
That said I like being with a mile of a Lidl as they stock a few thing that the Aldi around the corner from me doesn't.;)
Missed this thread. Tottenham Hale has the Ferry boat Inn and some amazing big resevoirs with great birdlife...
http://www.lbwf.gov.uk/ferryboatinn.jpg
It's not allll bad.....:rolleyes:
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