View Full Version : Sidcup vs Sutton
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 09:44
Possibly the most soul destroying battle of all time ;)
These two exciting hot spots have the highest volume of decent, cheap, 3 bed ex-council places in the London South area.
I can't say no to 3 bedrooms, a dining room and a balcony / garden for £150k.
Are they both too shite to countenance? Who would win in a fight?
Oh ffs Filter :D
You're a man obsessed!!! :eek:
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 09:54
You've gotta have plans in mind.. I'm sorting my finances out once and for all, and need to have a plan so I can buy a place ASAP. Need to get on that ladder so I can afford a lovely place to bring up Trixie and Rupert.
spanglechick
05-04-2007, 10:00
ok - i grew up near and went to school in sidcup. and later lived in sutton.
both places are very "white" - that's the first thing. Sidcup used to be thought of quite highly, and bits of it still are.
i suspect not the bits where you can get 3 beds for £150k though.
Do you have a road name?
Sutton is nasty, really - but has all the same thoughts - some bits are nice, but not the cheap ones.
On balance - i'd go for Sidcup. It isn't the local big town centre (that's bexleyheath), so unlike sutton - it doesn't attract all the horror.
The other thing - if you're serious about settling down - is that sidcup, or rather Bexley borough, still has the grammar school / eleven plus system. People move to the area for the good schools.
tarannau
05-04-2007, 10:03
I can't say much about Sidcup, but it does sound dull
Sutton, on the other hand, is a bit of a charmless shithole. Any charm it did have (some nice pubs in the sidestreets) has been gradually overwhelmed as it's expanded rapidly into Lesser Croydon in recent years. Lots of high street names but little individuality, with chain pubs and dodgy nightclubs (mmm Chicago rock cafe) the dominant flavour of nightlife - it's not particularly violent, but there's definitely a bit of provincial town chippiness about the place.
Not terrible, but it's a bit halfway house. Surely things around Carshalton and nearby would seem a little more rural.
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 10:08
Sidcup definitely in the lead so far :cool:
Spangles: Not bothered about schooling, don't plan to be there for more than 3 or 4 years.
Dubversion
05-04-2007, 10:09
My dad was from Sidcup. He moved to Bournemouth because it was more interesting.
Nothing more needs to be said on the matter.
Don't be a fucking gonk, Filter
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 10:09
i suspect not the bits where you can get 3 beds for £150k though.
Do you have a road name?
http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.aspx?edid=00&salerent=0&pid=367488&agentid=03807
http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.aspx?edid=00&salerent=0&pid=656064&agentid=03807
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 10:10
Don't be a fucking gonk, Filter
I don't have the money not to be a fucking gonk, and I'm fed up of hundreds a month going to nothing!
Dubversion
05-04-2007, 10:12
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/ilove/years/1979/gallery/images/340/terryandjune.jpg
I'm worried about you Chris. Your skin is turning grey before my very eyes.
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 10:15
I wouldn't plan on going out in Sidcup, much like you don't live in Streatham for the nightlife. Although admittedly it would make staying out past 11pm difficult.
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 10:16
I'm worried about you Chris. Your skin is turning grey before my very eyes.
I can't afford to buy where we all live!! I can't just leap into a £250k house, I'm middle-class but not THAT middle-class.
spanglechick
05-04-2007, 10:21
ok - filter, those areas aren't shitholes.
I'd err on the side of sidcup - i suspect prices there will rise faster than sutton too (they have been already, and remember the good schools - important for the next buyer, maybe).
just stay away from the high street - for property.
sleaterkinney
05-04-2007, 10:23
(((filter)))
Sutton has fairly good transport links - night buses, trains run til midnight then if your ereally desperate you can get trains to east croydon (all through the night) and night bus it or taxi to Sutton.
Depends what your looking for really - can you really get all that in Sutton for £150k :eek: :confused: Im guessing its either gonna be in Roundshaw or St Helier!
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 10:28
(((filter)))
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bemoaning the fact that I can 'only' afford £150k, I'm well aware that I'm luckier than most.. I'm just defending myself against piss taking for having to buy in an affordable area.
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 10:29
ok - filter, those areas aren't shitholes.
I'd err on the side of sidcup - i suspect prices there will rise faster than sutton too (they have been already, and remember the good schools - important for the next buyer, maybe).
just stay away from the high street - for property.
They're very good value, I think.. the extra space I'd get in the house would make the distance from London worth it I think.
It's ok Filter - at least you'll have a house. I'll have a van :o
I'm going to leave London to buy I think - or do some northern buy to let thing and get shot down by all my pretend lefty mates :)
Will you or your missus be commuting into central London?
From Sutton station there are trains regularly to Victoria (about a 30 minute journey though there are also 'fast' trains which take about 15-20), London Bridge, the old thameslink ( now first capital connect) passes though which goes up into the city and up to St Albans and out to Wimbledon.
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 10:48
The advantage of Sutton is the trains to Farringdon, where we both work!
PieEye, have looked at towns out of London, but they aren't much better value for money, and you end up with a travelcard bill of £2.5k a year..
Did you look in Brockley, Honor Oak, Ladywell, Forest Hill, Hither Green?
They are all 20-25 minsfrom central London. Hither Green has 2 fast rail links.
PieEye, have looked at towns out of London, but they aren't much better value for money, and you end up with a travelcard bill of £2.5k a year..
and never see each other :D
I'm worried about you Chris. Your skin is turning grey before my very eyes.
innit :(
I think he's been brainwashed
will the real ChrisFilter please stand up :mad:
Either that or the old biological clocks not getting any younger and his wifey wants kids :p
spanglechick
05-04-2007, 10:54
Did you look in Brockley, Honor Oak, Ladywell, Forest Hill, Hither Green?
They are all 20-25 minsfrom central London. Hither Green has 2 fast rail links.
those are all much more expensive though.
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 11:09
innit :(
I think he's been brainwashed
will the real ChrisFilter please stand up :mad:
Either that or the old biological clocks not getting any younger and his wifey wants kids :p
We both want kids, but not yet. Couple of years yet.
I'd be more concerned that I haven't been out in 6 months, rather than the fact that I want to buy a house.
corporate whore
05-04-2007, 11:10
the old thameslink ( now first capital connect) passes though which goes up into the city and up to St Albans and out to Wimbledon.
the horror, the horror... :eek: fucking hate that line and all its passengers stand for.
Chris, moving to Sutton would be the death of you, even for three years. I know fuck all about Sidcup, but it surely can't be any worse..
We both want kids, but not yet. Couple of years yet.
I'd be more concerned that I haven't been out in 6 months, rather than the fact that I want to buy a house.
Well why haven't you been out in 6 months then? :confused:
I thought it was just because your fiance didn't like us :)
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 11:17
No, it's because I don't like you all ;)
She's never really met anyone (apart from editor, dubpie, and others she already knew), she's not the type to dislike people before meeting them.
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 11:18
the horror, the horror... :eek: fucking hate that line and all its passengers stand for.
Chris, moving to Sutton would be the death of you, even for three years. I know fuck all about Sidcup, but it surely can't be any worse..
Haha, I like the thameslink line, I always get a seat and it's rarely late.
Sidcup is definitely beating Sutton.
corporate whore
05-04-2007, 11:26
Haha, I like the thameslink line
wierdo.. :p
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 11:42
wierdo.. :p
All depends where you get it, your route was just outside the ok bits.. farringdon to tulse hill means always getting a seat.. herne hill - blackfriars means being lucky if you get on the train!
fat Andy
05-04-2007, 12:33
I live in Sutton.
It's not too bad, very little crime and the transport links are OK. Previous posters are correct in that there is not a lot going on, and the high street is best avoided, but some parts are OK.
If you stay for a few years, the schools are actually V good.
i grew up in sutton so can only let you know of my thoughts of living there whilst a teenager. my parents still live there though and i still have friends who live in and around sutton.
sutton as i always say to people is a good place to bring up kids. its got good schools, isnt too rough, has lots of outdoor areas and generally is a farily pleasant environment to live. all well and good if you have children. we moved there when i was 9 and i had a great time growing up there. left when i was 18 when i went off to uni and never went back to live.
the times i've been there now though i do see it as very towny in the town centre on a friday and saturday night. but saying that though there are nicer places to go around sutton without having to go in to town to drink.
one of the main benefits of sutton is the quick train line in to Victoria. from sutton you can get in in 25 minutes. maybe not the best endorsement of a place to say you can get elsewhere quickly but hey ho. as with all places it has good and bad bits. i enjoyed growing up there, my friends still enjoy living there so horses for courses really.
I live in Sutton.
It's not too bad, very little crime and the transport links are OK. Previous posters are correct in that there is not a lot going on, and the high street is best avoided, but some parts are OK.
If you stay for a few years, the schools are actually V good.
where abouts do you live?
fat Andy
05-04-2007, 12:52
where abouts do you live?
Not far from Carshalton High Street.:cool:
what are you basing your judgement on mr feelter? about sidcup being better?
i reckon you really want to investigate the transport links because commuting is crap and you want the easiest possible journey you can get imo
what do you actually want from your neighbourhood?
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 12:59
what are you basing your judgement on mr feelter? about sidcup being better?
i reckon you really want to investigate the transport links because commuting is crap and you want the easiest possible journey you can get imo
what do you actually want from your neighbourhood?
Cheap houses with the least grunge possible! I don't care about nightlife too much, 'cos I'll never go on a night out there.. nice enough local would be cool.
Sidcup seems a bit less built up than Sutton, but I may well be labouring under a misapprehension!
I grew up very close to Sidcup so know it pretty well..
Those 2 links you sent Chris aren't really near the BR station if that's a consideration?
There's nowhere good to go out but the N21 goes all the way to Sidcup and was/is? pretty regular for getting back after nights out..40/50 minutes depending on how many kebab fights happen as it goes past the Venue..
..rates not too highly on the pissed idiots at closing-time scale, they all tend to gravitate towards Bexleyheath/Bromley for that..
..quite a few parks, lots of schools..
..you get the odd gang of kids but they're more bored than trouble..
..if you don't mind bussing it to the station then there's Blackfen where I grew up - advantage of there was that while Sidcup is walkable from there you could get a bus to Eltham or Welling (zone 4 so cheaper) or you could walk to Sidcup in 20 mins, handy for when the barriers go up after 8pm..
..but respectable quiet types like you now are don't do that sort of thing anyway:p ;)
Feel free to pm for any Sidcup questions..
Not far from Carshalton High Street.:cool:
i was between carshalton beaches and sutton.
i grew up in sutton so can only let you know of my thoughts of living there whilst a teenager. my parents still live there though and i still have friends who live in and around sutton.
sutton as i always say to people is a good place to bring up kids. its got good schools, isnt too rough, has lots of outdoor areas and generally is a farily pleasant environment to live. all well and good if you have children. we moved there when i was 9 and i had a great time growing up there. left when i was 18 when i went off to uni and never went back to live.
the times i've been there now though i do see it as very towny in the town centre on a friday and saturday night. but saying that though there are nicer places to go around sutton without having to go in to town to drink.
one of the main benefits of sutton is the quick train line in to Victoria. from sutton you can get in in 25 minutes. maybe not the best endorsement of a place to say you can get elsewhere quickly but hey ho. as with all places it has good and bad bits. i enjoyed growing up there, my friends still enjoy living there so horses for courses really.
i'd concur with all of this - esp the being near the countryside and not far from london.
however with transport it matters a lot where in Sutton. Do you mean generally in the borough or in Sutton specifically.
Trains from Wallington and Carshalton Beeches are crap and slow.
Trains from Carshalton/Sutton/Hackbridge are not.
Parts of St Helier/Rose Hill are near the tube
Roundshaw is as close to Croydon as it is to Sutton pretty much.
Any idea where you are looking?
I grew up in and around Sutton and i would move back there to do the kids thing for sure, but not as a single person, i got bored.
Haha, I like the thameslink line, I always get a seat and it's rarely late.
Sidcup is definitely beating Sutton.
You'd get a seat from Sidcup definitely..just that often you end up stuck outside London Bridge for ages waiting for a platform..
..150k does seem cheap though for a 3 bed now I think about it..I'd be very surprised if you'd get one within walking distance of the BR station for that..
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 13:29
Cheers Bang, you're now my Sidcup advisor ;)
I'd cycle to BR station if necessary... cycling is easier than forking out another £20k!
Budget goes up to about £180k, but would rather it was less.
Parts of St Helier/Rose Hill are near the tube
are they? :eek: which tube?
are they? :eek: which tube?
morden. only about 10 - 15 mins on the bus.
hmm well Ive been to Morden on the 154 from the bottom of the high street and it took longer than that :D
had a look at the map and it does look well close - is it still Sutton (the borough) though? or does that take it over to Merton territory?
ExtraRefined
05-04-2007, 14:38
http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.aspx?edid=00&salerent=0&pid=367488&agentid=03807
http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.aspx?edid=00&salerent=0&pid=656064&agentid=03807
The reason they're so cheap is because they're not in Sidcup - they're in Foot's Cray. Sidcup is still a very middle class area, predominantly detached houses and expensive. Foot's Cray has few local shops, is further from public transport links, and is generally more run down. If you actually go there & have a look the difference is pretty stark.
hmm well Ive been to Morden on the 154 from the bottom of the high street and it took longer than that :D
had a look at the map and it does look well close - is it still Sutton (the borough) though? or does that take it over to Merton territory?
yeh bits of st helier (the bit past the co-op by the hospital are only a mile/mile and a half from the centre of morden. not the nicest place of sutton to live but still technically the london borough of sutton.
ChrisFilter
05-04-2007, 14:50
Crystal Palace is another option, more expensive, but understandably so.
Would probably be looking at 2 bed ex-council for about £170k there.
morden. only about 10 - 15 mins on the bus.
St Helier ends @ Morden.
Depends how far north you are, its a huge estate.
sam/phallocrat
05-04-2007, 15:45
The 51 bus from Sidcup goes to Plumstead Common and Woolwich! :cool:
Indeed. I was born in Sidcup. Those places are both a fair walk from Sidcup proper though, Foots Cray isn't that close on foot.
gracious
06-04-2007, 08:13
palace is nice... i almost moved there once...
decent pubs, and some of em stay open late, a lot of restaurants.. the spanish one does mean tapas, really well connected for buses and a massive park to go play in. tis also the highest point in south london, and you get amazing views (maybe not for £170k tho)
reckon thats a much better investment tbh, palace has been getting nicer over recent years... and you might even get visiting friends if you live there!
gracious
06-04-2007, 08:15
oh yeah, and... beware of any place ending in "cray" in my younger days living in london borough of bromley, if you saw anyone looking townie/pikey/thuggish/asbo/chav you'd always go "bet they travelled in from the crays" (i think they meant st marys cray and st pauls cray, but whatever, cray is not a good look)
oh yeah, and... beware of any place ending in "cray" in my younger days living in london borough of bromley, if you saw anyone looking townie/pikey/thuggish/asbo/chav you'd always go "bet they travelled in from the crays" (i think they meant st marys cray and st pauls cray, but whatever, cray is not a good look)
A tad generalistic there..after all I from what I remember it is difficult to avoid shops in Bromley selling sports wear/Chav uniform anyway(!)
but Foots Cray does have some areas where you need to be careful..
..our school backed onto the fields of Foots Cray Meadows, regularly had travellers from the Crays coming up and fighting pupils and teachers..some of it was deserved but there was a lot of random underserved kickings..
..shame as the Meadows is a really nice open space
Chris - I haven't a clue about relative prices but I'd say Crystal Palace beats the crap out of Sidcup any day and if you can then go for that..
These two exciting hot spots have the highest volume of decent, cheap, 3 bed ex-council places in the London South area.This is like cat shit vs dog shit, no?
onenameshelley
06-04-2007, 11:46
I would say out of the two Sidcup (it was posh when i was a kid) have you thought about Eltham?
I would say out of the two Sidcup (it was posh when i was a kid) have you thought about Eltham?
nooooooooooooooooo not eltham, never
i've been to both places a few times and they both depressed me in almost equal measure. i fahkin hate kent and reckon Sutton would suit the likes of you better.
off the top of my head, i reckon because sutton is a bit busier with more choice and a lot closer to other parts of the South/country/airports than blinkin sidcup (you know it's close enough to dartfurd init?!?!)
a mate of mine lived down sutton for a bit and seemed to get on with it, i even went to visit, doubt i would if it'd been sidcup :D
but then praps u want a hideaway nest...
I dunno - Sidcup you can take your dog for nice walks along the River Cray.
Personally though I question your strategy.. Maybe buy a smaller place in an area more likely to go up in value - say Barking. :cool:
onenameshelley
06-04-2007, 12:01
nooooooooooooooooo not eltham, never
i've been to both places a few times and they both depressed me in almost equal measure. i fahkin hate kent and reckon Sutton would suit the likes of you better.
off the top of my head, i reckon because sutton is a bit busier with more choice and a lot closer to other parts of the South/country/airports than blinkin sidcup (you know it's close enough to dartfurd init?!?!)
a mate of mine lived down sutton for a bit and seemed to get on with it, i even went to visit, doubt i would if it'd been sidcup :D
but then praps u want a hideaway nest...
*cough* some of us have lived around those areas all our little lives, and yes they are not the most exciting places in the world but they are not the worst either. I like you but i am gonna have to offer you out now;)
aaahhht side :p
PS Only me and spanglechick get to slag off dartford
*cough* some of us have lived around those areas all our little lives, and yes they are not the most exciting places in the world but they are not the worst either. I like you but i am gonna have to offer you out now;)
aaahhht side :p
PS Only me and spanglechick get to slag off dartford
<shaking> :p
ok, apols for cussin ya ends, i will be up close enough to there soon, unfortunately me missus lives in grove park :( (which is worse)
<purchases disguise for trip>
gracious
06-04-2007, 12:51
A tad generalistic there..after all I from what I remember it is difficult to avoid shops in Bromley selling sports wear/Chav uniform anyway(!)
haha... this has made me laugh, cos i am currently wearing a shiny black adidas top with mint green stripes down the end... omg i look like im from the crays :eek: :eek:
softybabe
06-04-2007, 14:34
<shaking> :p
ok, apols for cussin ya ends, i will be up close enough to there soon, unfortunately me missus lives in grove park :( (which is worse)
<purchases disguise for trip>
ya better still b shaking :mad: how dare u declare GP worse than Eltham! :confused: how can it be worse than Eltham even if it tried to be!! :mad:
No way Grove Park's worse than Eltham!
I'd go for Sidcup rather than Sutton tbh
ya better still b shaking :mad: how dare u declare GP worse than Eltham! :confused: how can it be worse than Eltham even if it tried to be!! :mad:
stalkin again hon? :p
ok i take it back and u can punish me as well :)
softybabe
06-04-2007, 14:45
No way Grove Park's worse than Eltham!
Cheers mate! Too right!
Cheers mate! Too right!
He's on a wind-up innit :D
softybabe
06-04-2007, 15:40
He's on a wind-up innit :D
...and dont i know it :D He's taken it back now!:D
...and dont i know it :D He's taken it back now!:D
You just gotta dream up his punishment now :cool:
softybabe
06-04-2007, 15:45
You just gotta dream up his punishment now :cool:
That's the problem though cos he will probably like it :D
That's the problem though cos he will probably like it :D
Insist on a full day's shopping in Woolwich - that oughta do it!
softybabe
06-04-2007, 15:53
Insist on a full day's shopping in Woolwich - that oughta do it!
hmmmm great idea! it'll take him down memory lane too :D or i might take him to Thamesmead to visit my mate, that will learn him!!
hmmmm great idea! it'll take him down memory lane too :D or i might take him to Thamesmead to visit my mate, that will learn him!!
My folks still live there - we can take him round to my mam and they can do welshy talk together :D
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