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Does anyone know someone who has taken pictures of kids showing off their guns? I'm looking for reportage-type images that illustrate the current spate of shootings in Brixton, Peckahm and Clapham. I've alrteady spoken to the Photofusion gallery in CHL but they mainly stock stunted-up images posed by models , for obvious reasons. I realise it's a long shot, but are there any hard nosed photographers who may have gained access to any of these kids, or has anyone been able to capture a firearms incident on camera?
Please let me know
which paper is it then?? :D
I can't believe this OP. Nominations for the Most Crass Use of The Internet by A Lazy Hack Award are now closed.
perplexis
15-02-2007, 12:25
I can't believe this OP. Nominations for the Most Crass Use of The Internet by A Lazy Hack are now closed.
:D nice award category!
normskii
15-02-2007, 12:28
I think we need less photos of kids with guns, not more.
Printing these sort of things will only inspire more kids to own them.
It's a fairly straightforward request - yes I'm a journalist, using a resource. If you can help I'd appreciate it.
hang on, I'll just go change the name of the site to reporter's resource75.net
http://www.360east.com/wp-content/babywithgun.jpg
Does anyone know someone who has taken pictures of kids showing off their guns? I'm looking for reportage-type images that illustrate the current spate of shootings in Brixton, Peckahm and Clapham. I've alrteady spoken to the Photofusion gallery in CHL but they mainly stock stunted-up images posed by models , for obvious reasons. I realise it's a long shot, but are there any hard nosed photographers who may have gained access to any of these kids, or has anyone been able to capture a firearms incident on camera?
So... You're looking for kids posing with illegal guns, or "dramatic" pics of a firearms incidents...
Fuckwit... :rolleyes:
It's a fairly straightforward request - yes I'm a journalist, using a resource. If you can help I'd appreciate it.
How about doing some good in the community, rather stirring it up...? :rolleyes:
GarfieldLeChat
15-02-2007, 12:46
I've taken the following but you DO NOT Have permission to use any of them. Period.
http://lucidlondon.co.uk/images/pal/pal_6.jpg
http://lucidlondon.co.uk/images/pal/pal_20.jpg
http://lucidlondon.co.uk/images/pal/pal_31.jpg
GarfieldLeChat
15-02-2007, 12:48
peraps you'd like to see some pictures of corpses too just so you can get you editorial jollies off to sell more of your rag...
You take those pics in Palestine Garf?
Look, I don't want to get into arguments with people over whether U75 is a resource for information, or should I use this site for work, because it's pointless. I'm someone who has lived in the area for 17 years, I'm a journalist working on a news story, and I've asked a simple question. I'm not glamourising any of this stuff, so if anyone thinks thay can help, great, if not please try and keep the abuse to a minimum!
It is a bit of a learned reaction :)
lizzieloo
15-02-2007, 13:00
Moved somewhere nice yet? (http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=5110117&postcount=152) :)
maximilian ping
15-02-2007, 13:02
Ask the Gorillaz?
GarfieldLeChat
15-02-2007, 13:06
You take those pics in Palestine Garf?
yup
GarfieldLeChat
15-02-2007, 13:08
Look, I don't want to get into arguments with people over whether U75 is a resource for information, or should I use this site for work, because it's pointless. I'm someone who has lived in the area for 17 years, I'm a journalist working on a news story, and I've asked a simple question. I'm not glamourising any of this stuff, so if anyone thinks thay can help, great, if not please try and keep the abuse to a minimum!
except you only come here to slag off brixton and then ponce of others hard earned work rather than getting out into the real world and doing your fucking job, you acutally expect others to do it for you...
lazy journo = bad journo...
Moved somewhere nice yet? (http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=5110117&postcount=152) :)
Yeah I moved somewhere quiet and boring, after living in the area for quite some time. I needed to get away from the increasingly heavy atmosphere. Which seems to have deteriorated further in the last week or so.
except you only come here to slag off brixton and then ponce of others hard earned work rather than getting out into the real world and doing your fucking job, you acutally expect others to do it for you...
lazy journo = bad journo...
Nonsense. I've been a photo editor for 15 years and I'd use pics from most sources. Remember 7/7 bombings - most of the best photojournalism was done by people with mobile phones. That wasn't 'poncing off others hard earned work'. It was using the information available.
As for slagging off Brixton, I think you'll find my main concern was with the epidemic drug dealing & usage, not the place itself.
I'm not glamourising any of this stuff, so if anyone thinks thay can help, great, if not please try and keep the abuse to a minimum!
So you don't think that kids will see some other kids in the paper with guns and think "Cool"..? :rolleyes:
Btw, which local rag is it...? Name+shame, like...?
lizzieloo
15-02-2007, 13:17
Yeah I moved somewhere quiet and boring, after living in the area for quite some time. I needed to get away from the increasingly heavy atmosphere. Which seems to have deteriorated further in the last week or so.
So now you'd actually have to travel to get pictures for yourself I guess
Nonsense. I've been a photo editor for 15 years and I'd use pics from most sources. Remember 7/7 bombings - most of the best photojournalism was done by people with mobile phones. That wasn't 'poncing off others hard earned work'. It was using the information available.
You'd of thought after being a photo editor after 15 years you;d have better sources for stuff than U75.... :rolleyes:
As for slagging off Brixton, I think you'll find my main concern was with the epidemic drug dealing & usage, not the place itself.
Does that include reporting on the horrible menace posed by crack-addicted Squirrels...? :D
maximilian ping
15-02-2007, 13:21
I needed to get away from the increasingly heavy atmosphere. Which seems to have deteriorated further in the last week or so.
don't blame you mate. Brixton's a giant piss-take. don't really understand why so many black people who hang around there are wetting their pants for a bit of trouble. nasty
Does that include reporting on the horrible menace posed by crack-addicted Squirrels...? :D
Now a picture of a squirrel with a gun is something I think we could do :D
lizzieloo
15-02-2007, 13:27
Cack!
lizzieloo
15-02-2007, 13:29
Now a picture of a squirrel with a gun is something I think we could do :D
http://vadeker.club.fr/humanite/apercu/armed_squirrel.jpg
Happy to oblige
Does anyone know someone who has taken pictures of kids showing off their guns? I'm looking for reportage-type images that illustrate the current spate of shootings in Brixton, Peckahm and Clapham. I've alrteady spoken to the Photofusion gallery in CHL but they mainly stock stunted-up images posed by models , for obvious reasons. I realise it's a long shot, but are there any hard nosed photographers who may have gained access to any of these kids, or has anyone been able to capture a firearms incident on camera?
Please let me know
Your track record on here hardly paints you in the best light does it?
As for slagging off Brixton, I think you'll find my main concern was with the epidemic drug dealing & usage, not the place itself.
I think your posts speak for themselves...
maximilian ping
15-02-2007, 13:38
http://vadeker.club.fr/humanite/apercu/armed_squirrel.jpg
Happy to oblige
south london's number one hit squirrel
south london's number one hit squirrel
It was a lovely law abiding squirrel before it found crack :(
Squirrel on Squirrel violence is no laughing matter :mad:
maximilian ping
15-02-2007, 13:49
It was a lovely law abiding squirrel before it found crack :(
went to church, delivered his spare nuts to hard up squirrels in Peckham, and was doing a course in tree surgery. then he sniffed a stash buried in Bob's garden
I think your posts speak for themselves...
I was wondering when you'd show up. FYI I had many good years in Brixton until moving to Saltoun when things took a turn for the worse. Because of the street drugs. End of story.
Got any pics of kids with guns?
GarfieldLeChat
15-02-2007, 13:57
Nonsense. I've been a photo editor for 15 years and I'd use pics from most sources. Remember 7/7 bombings - most of the best photojournalism was done by people with mobile phones. That wasn't 'poncing off others hard earned work'. It was using the information available.
As for slagging off Brixton, I think you'll find my main concern was with the epidemic drug dealing & usage, not the place itself.
ok then ... so what you want is exclusicve photos of the shooters in order than your photo archive can then send em off to syndication and cream in the royalties ... not content with your lazy journolism tag you are attempting to add succubus to that title... making money out of tragdy... how vaccuous...
GarfieldLeChat
15-02-2007, 13:59
Got any pics of kids with guns?
i can make a mint syndicating them leaving the poor sap who took them with just a signing on fee of £50 and they'll only be 'news worthy' for about another day
vampire...
I was wondering when you'd show up. FYI I had many good years in Brixton until moving to Saltoun when things took a turn for the worse. Because of the street drugs. End of story.
Got any pics of kids with guns?
Your posts on here speak for themselves.
ok then ... so what you want is exclusicve photos of the shooters in order than your photo archive can then send em off to syndication and cream in the royalties ... not content with your lazy journolism tag you are attempting to add succubus to that title... making money out of tragdy... how vaccuous...
You are deluded. I'm looking for pics to illustrate a news story. I'm trying to find something that's authentic rather than stunted up.
GarfieldLeChat
15-02-2007, 14:05
Squirrel on Squirrel violence is no laughing matter :mad:
fuck squirrel on squirrel you should see squirrel on lama violence... has been provoked according to a spokesman from the british nationalist lama party (BNLP) by influxes of grey immigrant squirrels usurping the indigineious population and then attempting to take the jobs and homes of the native lama population...
The BNLP are going nuts about it; saying police are ignawing the problem and can't see the wood for the trees. Police say they dislike the tone and timber of the BNLP statements and will be investigating further. They have their best dectective on the job Sergent Hazel (NUT -national union of Teachers; retired) and beleive the epidemic has come from brazil.
GarfieldLeChat
15-02-2007, 14:07
You are deluded. I'm looking for pics to illustrate a news story. I'm trying to find something that's authentic rather than stunted up.
you're a picture editor and you are using terms like stunted up...
you might mean set up??
http://www.ljonn.com/photos/misc/toygun.jpg
lizzieloo
15-02-2007, 14:08
You are deluded. I'm looking for pics to illustrate a news story. I'm trying to find something that's authentic rather than stunted up.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42576000/jpg/_42576081_billy_cox_bod.jpg
Real enough for you? Grieving mother shot more to your likeing?
Now fuck off
aurora green
15-02-2007, 14:13
I must say I've had to read this thread twice, to get the jist of it.
I can still hardly believe the op's request.
I'm looking for pics to illustrate a news story. I'm trying to find something that's authentic rather than stunted up.
Don't you realise what a stupid request it is...? :rolleyes:
chegrimandi
15-02-2007, 14:16
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=154254
If there's ever been a good reason to generally smarten up and dare I say it gentrify certain areas of Brixton....If this is what keeping it real in Brixton is all about, then the sooner some developer that decrepit old shooting gallery by the square into luxury flats the better.
luxury flats, gentrify...:D :D
you're going to get abuse posting that kind of stuff here goldman.
chegrimandi
15-02-2007, 14:18
double post hell
tarannau
15-02-2007, 14:18
Marks him out as a bit of an insensitive cunt doesn't it?
After all, what everyone really needs is a photograph in the paper glamorising these kids and giving them an outlet to show off their bling and weaponry.
Of course, it's probably about 'keeping it real' for our pal Goldman. Not at all about obtaining a tawdry, alarmist image of kids posing in their favourite gangsta-wannabee best
:rolleyes:
Thanks for all your help folks. Sorted it now.
Does anyone know someone who has taken pictures of kids showing off their guns? I'm looking for reportage-type images that illustrate the current spate of shootings in Brixton, Peckahm and Clapham. I've alrteady spoken to the Photofusion gallery in CHL but they mainly stock stunted-up images posed by models , for obvious reasons. I realise it's a long shot, but are there any hard nosed photographers who may have gained access to any of these kids, or has anyone been able to capture a firearms incident on camera?
Please let me know
you fucking parasite cunt. fuck off
you fucking parasite cunt. fuck off
So...shall I add you to my buddy list then?
*Goldman turns around to see the U75 regulars coming after him then flees.*
(Sorry for the size)
http://www.follow-me-now.de/assets/images/City_of_God-1.jpg
Streathamite
15-02-2007, 19:20
I was wondering when you'd show up. FYI I had many good years in Brixton until moving to Saltoun when things took a turn for the worse. Because of the street drugs. End of story.
Got any pics of kids with guns?
so basically you're a journo who left the place cos you couldn't handle the crime, then slagged it rotten from a safe distance, and now you're sensationalising and/or trivialising a tragic part of that problem AND exploiting a free resource to make dosh, yes?
you're as much pondlife as the robbers, in your way
It's a fairly straightforward request - yes I'm a journalist, using a resource. If you can help I'd appreciate it.
Fuck right off you cynical parastic bastard.
How fucking dare you muscle into a community, online or IRL (this Brixton forum represents a RL community) who are trying to understand a horrible sequence of events, in order to do a "reportage" on something that you can then show off about to all your hack mates and chitter-chattering coke and cocktail binging mates.
Fuck off.
Yeah I moved somewhere quiet and boring, after living in the area for quite some time. I needed to get away from the increasingly heavy atmosphere. Which seems to have deteriorated further in the last week or so.
But you thought you'd just pop back while things were "interesting"?
Parasite. Fucking bottom feeding shit stirrer.
(...sorry, got really cross there for a moment....)
piratetv
16-02-2007, 03:45
Does anyone know someone who has taken pictures of kids showing off their guns? I'm looking for reportage-type images that illustrate the current spate of shootings in Brixton, Peckahm and Clapham. I've alrteady spoken to the Photofusion gallery in CHL but they mainly stock stunted-up images posed by models , for obvious reasons. I realise it's a long shot, but are there any hard nosed photographers who may have gained access to any of these kids, or has anyone been able to capture a firearms incident on camera?
Please let me know
If you want to get hold of photographs like this to earn yourself filthy dollar then you should arm yourself with a camera and get out there and shoot them yourself.
Alternatively you could look at yourself in depth and ask yourself what your existence on this planet is all about, change your life for the better and make some practical moves towards changing this terrible trend and keeping our kids alive.
Right now you make my stomach turn :(
What's the big fucking deal about the original request?
Is everyone particularly upset because this is a journalist?
Would everyone had had the same reaction if someone has sim-ly asked if there are any photographers out there who had taken photographs in south london around the theme of guns, gangs and violence?
Is anyone screaming at Garf because he took some photos of kids in Palestine holding guns? Is he 'disgusting' and 'parasitic' for taking these photos - or is the offence the use of them in a newspaper?
And does this make the people who buy and read the newspaper an accesory to this exploitation?
I now that ceratin posters here have a bit of "history" re. Brixton and I know the u75 FAQs do specifically mention the use of the site by researchers, but IMO a lot of the posts on this thread are over-the-top, hysterical, self-righteous shite.
As for slagging off Brixton, I think you'll find my main concern was with the epidemic drug dealing & usage, not the place itself.
My main concern is the transparent stupidity of prohibition. Do you really think it helps make the problems the drug trade causes *more* manageable?
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=154254
If there's ever been a good reason to generally smarten up and dare I say it gentrify certain areas of Brixton....If this is what keeping it real in Brixton is all about, then the sooner some developer that decrepit old shooting gallery by the square into luxury flats the better.
luxury flats, gentrify...:D :D
you're going to get abuse posting that kind of stuff here goldman.
I'm glad you linked to that thread. I was so suprised at Goldman's claims about Raleigh Hall (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/photos/152.html) being used as a shooting gallery I did a thorough but informal survey of the premises with a view to gaining access and taking possession.
Contrary to the claims Goldman was making at the time, the place was thoroughly secured.
I'm glad you linked to that thread. I was so suprised at Goldman's claims about Raleigh Hall (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/photos/152.html) being used as a shooting gallery I did a thorough but informal survey of the premises with a view to gaining access and taking possession.
Contrary to the claims Goldman was making at the time, the place was thoroughly secured.Maybe getting confused between fiction and reality: didn't it feature as a shooting gallery in that film "SW9"?
:D
It's the curse of the modern world. Nice to see you again, Teejay.
What's the big fucking deal about the original request?
Is everyone particularly upset because this is a journalist?
Would everyone had had the same reaction if someone has sim-ly asked if there are any photographers out there who had taken photographs in south london around the theme of guns, gangs and violence?
Is anyone screaming at Garf because he took some photos of kids in Palestine holding guns? Is he 'disgusting' and 'parasitic' for taking these photos - or is the offence the use of them in a newspaper?
And does this make the people who buy and read the newspaper an accesory to this exploitation?
I now that ceratin posters here have a bit of "history" re. Brixton and I know the u75 FAQs do specifically mention the use of the site by researchers, but IMO a lot of the posts on this thread are over-the-top, hysterical, self-righteous shite.
Maybe if you were aware of goldman's previous track record on here? Maybe then you wouldn't be so self-righteous yerself.
GarfieldLeChat
16-02-2007, 10:31
What's the big fucking deal about the original request?
Is everyone particularly upset because this is a journalist?
Would everyone had had the same reaction if someone has sim-ly asked if there are any photographers out there who had taken photographs in south london around the theme of guns, gangs and violence?
Is anyone screaming at Garf because he took some photos of kids in Palestine holding guns? Is he 'disgusting' and 'parasitic' for taking these photos - or is the offence the use of them in a newspaper?
And does this make the people who buy and read the newspaper an accesory to this exploitation?
I now that ceratin posters here have a bit of "history" re. Brixton and I know the u75 FAQs do specifically mention the use of the site by researchers, but IMO a lot of the posts on this thread are over-the-top, hysterical, self-righteous shite.
for me it's merely the fac that this person get's paid a pretty penny to do the job of a photo editor and is attempting to obtain free images for their stock libary with out paying or offering the insentive to pay which means that the poor sod who takes the image is ripped off in order that he can then claim the exclusive rights to it and profit from it...
that and using urban only as a launch pad to slag off part of the community and to blagg freebies from it's users... it's a bit like saying your mums a slag but she won't let me have a go...
i don't thin anyone expressed the idea that if you shoot these images that you are a paracite more that if you attempt to blag others images by rolling up at an internet communtiy and say here anyone got any freebies it's considered a tad rude...
IMHO if you don't understand that then you are somewhat missing the point for the sake of pedantry :)
Maybe if you were aware of goldman's previous track record on here? Maybe then you wouldn't be so self-righteous yerself.
So I bitterly complained about the horrible crack situation that has been getting steadily worse around central Brixton. Big deal. It's turning the place into a nightmare.
Some of the responses to this thread are over-the-top & hysterical. Like I'm somehow as bad as the idiots brandishing the guns. Like I posted the thread as some kind of money-making exercise. Either people have a completely blinkered view of what's going on, or they have little or no concept of how the media works. Either way, some of the views expressed here are so far removed from reality, it's a joke.
So I bitterly complained about the horrible crack situation that has been getting steadily worse around central Brixton. Big deal. It's turning the place into a nightmare.
No, that's not what you did. A little honesty wouldn't go amiss. Doesn't matter though, its all there for people to read.
Brixton Hatter
16-02-2007, 13:45
Has anyone got any photos of lazy journalists being caned by the local community for a total fuckwitter of a request?
I'm not trying to glamourise journo-hate....honest!
:rolleyes:
GarfieldLeChat
16-02-2007, 14:08
Either people have a completely blinkered view of what's going on, or they have little or no concept of how the media works. Either way, some of the views expressed here are so far removed from reality, it's a joke.
why not get off oyur arse and go shoot some shots...
So I bitterly complained about the horrible crack situation that has been getting steadily worse around central Brixton. Big deal. It's turning the place into a nightmare.
Some of the responses to this thread are over-the-top & hysterical. Like I'm somehow as bad as the idiots brandishing the guns. Like I posted the thread as some kind of money-making exercise. Either people have a completely blinkered view of what's going on, or they have little or no concept of how the media works. Either way, some of the views expressed here are so far removed from reality, it's a joke.
right, I've watched this thread with interest, but I have to say it..
cunt.
it's what I thought when I saw the original post, and it's still what I think.
People are on your back because
a) journos aren't always popular on here
b) lazy ones that want to use this community website (but contribute little) even less so
c) no-one believes that the story you'll be writing/involved in will be anything more than sensationalist crap that will add nothing to the debate other than scaring people and giving unnesseccary kudos to those people involved in such activities.
d) you have past history of calling drug users 'parasites' 'pathetic junkies' 'sub-human' and cussing off aspects of brixton in general - not really going to win you many friends really.
tell you what, write your fucking story, then post it up on here to prove us all wrong. I triple fucking dare you. :mad:
tell you what, write your fucking story, then post it up on here to prove us all wrong. I triple fucking dare you. :mad:
I just want to see the pictures of young scallys with big guns... :D :rolleyes:
right, I've watched this thread with interest, but I have to say it..
cunt.
it's what I thought when I saw the original post, and it's still what I think.
People are on your back because
a) journos aren't always popular on here
b) lazy ones that want to use this community website (but contribute little) even less so
c) no-one believes that the story you'll be writing/involved in will be anything more than sensationalist crap that will add nothing to the debate other than scaring people and giving unnesseccary kudos to those people involved in such activities.
d) you have past history of calling drug users 'parasites' 'pathetic junkies' 'sub-human' and cussing off aspects of brixton in general - not really going to win you many friends really.
tell you what, write your fucking story, then post it up on here to prove us all wrong. I triple fucking dare you. :mad:
I'm not a writer I'm a picture editor, so sorry to disappoint you but you won't be seeing the story. You have no idea who I work for, so don't be so judgemental on the kind of story I was working on because you haven't the faintest idea.
re. the junkies that intimidated my girlfriend/broke into my flat/terrorised my poor neighbor and generally acted like selfish losers, my position remains largely unchanged.
Frankly this sanctimonius, holier-than-thou crap everone's spouting doesn't surprise me one bit. It's typical of the narrow-minded attitudes on here.
Anyway I spoke to a South London based snapper yesterday who had managed to gain access to some of these kids through work he did in the music scene. Looked at his photos and decided not to publish because they were inappropriate. But feel free to flame me anyway - you obviously haven't got anything better to do
Frankly this sanctimonius, holier-than-thou crap everone's spouting doesn't surprise me one bit. It's typical of the narrow-minded attitudes on here.
Oh the irony :D
GarfieldLeChat
16-02-2007, 15:19
I'm not a writer I'm a picture editor, so sorry to disappoint you but you won't be seeing the story. You have no idea who I work for, so don't be so judgemental on the kind of story I was working on because you haven't the faintest idea.
who do you work for then some big secret or would they not appricate you trawling here for your job when you should a) working and b) actualyl sourcing the shit throught he appropreate channels...
this bit however really means they asked too much money for the shots...
Looked at his photos and decided not to publish because they were inappropriate
Frankly this sanctimonius, holier-than-thou crap everone's spouting doesn't surprise me one bit. It's typical of the narrow-minded attitudes on here.
So we should be encouraging people to publish racy photos of chavs wiv' gunz...? :confused: 'Cos blowing people away is what the kidz do these dayz...?
Anyway I spoke to a South London based snapper yesterday who had managed to gain access to some of these kids through work he did in the music scene. Looked at his photos and decided not to publish because they were inappropriate. But feel free to flame me anyway - you obviously haven't got anything better to do
What was wrong...? Wrong kind of guns...? Kids not youg enuff...? :rolleyes:
What was wrong...? Wrong kind of guns...? Kids not youg enuff...? :rolleyes:
the kids were naked, seductively holding M16's.. apparently not the look he was after this time. :D
the kids were naked, seductively holding M16's.. apparently not the look he was after this time. :D
Moronic comment
Moronic comment
'bout right then eh?
skunkboy69
16-02-2007, 16:07
You are deluded. I'm looking for pics to illustrate a news story. I'm trying to find something that's authentic rather than stunted up.
A journalist wanting authentic stuff? How novel :)
tarannau
16-02-2007, 16:24
Some of the responses to this thread are over-the-top & hysterical. Like I'm somehow as bad as the idiots brandishing the guns. Like I posted the thread as some kind of money-making exercise. Either people have a completely blinkered view of what's going on, or they have little or no concept of how the media works. Either way, some of the views expressed here are so far removed from reality, it's a joke.
It's not about how the media works you pillock, it's about you seeking 'authentic' photos to add a bit of alarmist frisson to some story. And you giving these kids, craving status and a bit of notoriety, the opportunity to pose in their gangsta best and wave their weapons about. That's not likely to be productive, nor does the fact that it'd be authentic add much to the story other than bragging rights for the local crew.
And stop with the patronising 'removed from reality' bollocks eh. It's bad enough you making a reactionary twat out of yourself regularly here, but don't pontificate to others on top of it. I've lived here for more than 30 years, a stone's throw away from you it seems, and in a past life I was a manager for Getty Images (and before that Tony Stone), supplying the likes of lazy arses like you with photos. I'd wager I'm far more connected to 'reality' than you'd want to believe in your 'I can't believe Saltoun rd has drug dealers' ivory tower...
GarfieldLeChat
16-02-2007, 16:34
What was wrong...? Wrong kind of guns...? Kids not youg enuff...? :rolleyes:
wanted too mcuh money i'm betting...
There are lots of South London boys with in the British Army in Iraq but for some reason that seems to be ok.
for me it's merely the fac that this person get's paid a pretty penny to do the job of a photo editor and is attempting to obtain free images for their stock libary with out paying or offering the insentive to pay which means that the poor sod who takes the image is ripped off in order that he can then claim the exclusive rights to it and profit from it...
that and using urban only as a launch pad to slag off part of the community and to blagg freebies from it's users... it's a bit like saying your mums a slag but she won't let me have a go...
i don't thin anyone expressed the idea that if you shoot these images that you are a paracite more that if you attempt to blag others images by rolling up at an internet communtiy and say here anyone got any freebies it's considered a tad rude...
IMHO if you don't understand that then you are somewhat missing the point for the sake of pedantry :)Sorry Garf but this is the origional post and it doesn't contain any mention of 'freebies':Does anyone know someone who has taken pictures of kids showing off their guns? I'm looking for reportage-type images that illustrate the current spate of shootings in Brixton, Peckahm and Clapham. I've alrteady spoken to the Photofusion gallery in CHL but they mainly stock stunted-up images posed by models , for obvious reasons. I realise it's a long shot, but are there any hard nosed photographers who may have gained access to any of these kids, or has anyone been able to capture a firearms incident on camera?
Please let me knowIt simply asks about photographers who have done any work in this area. If he had been asking about anyone who had taken photos of kids with guns in palestine then someone could have easially mentioned your name.
If someone contacted you and wanted to use one of your photos what would you say?
After all, what everyone really needs is a photograph in the paper glamorising these kids and giving them an outlet to show off their bling and weaponry.Do you think that all photojournalists glamourise the people they photograph - how about people whose photos manage to show the pain fear and suffering that exists side by side with guns - that manage to say something meaningful about the people and communities involved? Are you saying that as soon as a weapon appears in a photograph it 'glamourises' violence?
It's not about how the media works you pillock, it's about you seeking 'authentic' photos to add a bit of alarmist frisson to some story. And you giving these kids, craving status and a bit of notoriety, the opportunity to pose in their gangsta best and wave their weapons about. That's not likely to be productive, nor does the fact that it'd be authentic add much to the story other than bragging rights for the local crew.How do you square this analysis with pictures by someone like this for example:
Award-winning photographer Donna DeCesare will show some of her latest work at the LSE this summer - an exhibition she calls Hijos del Destino: Images of Youth Violence in Latin America.
The exhibition is a collection of around 24 photo novelas exploring how war, trauma and gangs impact the personal choices and social stigmas faced by young people across the Americas. Focusing on transnational youth gangs, Hijos del Destino shows the tragic consequence of repression and impunity and the potential for social documentary photography.
A preview of one of the photo novellas can be seen at http://www.pixelpress.org/contents/donna_edgar/index.html
DeCesare said: 'The exhibition is inspired by my experience of covering the wars of Central America in the 1980s as a photojournalist. I grew concerned about the fate of young war refugees growing up in tough neighborhoods in Los Angeles. Some were finding solace for rejection, economic options and a place to forge identity or share traumatic memories in the gangs of their new country's barrios. With changing US drug and immigration laws in the 1990s, many youths were sent back to countries they left as small children. Over ten years I covered the lives of deported gang members and the worsening conditions in Central America. These pictures tell some of their stories.'
International Acton Network on Small Arms:
New report on armed children
http://www.iansa.org/images/front-page/guatemala-rural-gang.jpg
A new report estimates that there are hundreds of thousands of children in organised armed violence worldwide.
Neither War nor Peace is the first international study on children in armed groups in countries that are not involved in conflict. It reveals that:
* armed groups recruiting children have become more violent since the 1980s, due to growing involvement in the illicit drug trade, increased access to guns and due to persistent and often violent state repression
* children joining are getting younger - most of the children interviewed in this report were armed and full group members by the age of 14
* children are openly armed in parts of Brazil, Colombia, Nigeria and the Philippines, patrolling group territories
* members of the state security forces are directly involved with armed groups employing children in 8 of the 10 countries studied, and in Jamaica, Nigeria and the Philippines, local government is directly involved with those groups
Produced by the Children in Organised Armed Violence (COAV) programme, (an IANSA member) the report interviewed 120 armed children and youths in 10 countries worldwide: Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Jamaica, Nigeria, Northern Ireland, the Philippines, South Africa and the USA. The groups included ethnic militia, drug factions, youth street gangs and vigilante groups.
Download the report: http://www.iansa.org/issues/coav-report-may2005.htm
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Mrs Magpie
18-02-2007, 09:29
The SLP had pics of kids posing with guns that they got from a gang website...might have been the Peel Dem Crew (which the papers think are called Poverty Driven Children which started in the Guardian iirc).
edited to add
It was a while ago.
lang rabbie
18-02-2007, 11:56
The SLP had pics of kids posing with guns that they got from a gang website...might have been the Peel Dem Crew (which the papers think are called Poverty Driven Children which started in the Guardian iirc).
edited to add
It was a while ago.
Sick online boasts of child gangsters (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200southlondonheadlines/tm_objectid=15875447&method=full&siteid=50100&headline=sick-online-boasts-of-child-gangsters-name_page.html) - South London Press - August 19th 2005
Laughing child gangsters caged (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0400lambeth/tm_objectid=15947781&method=full&siteid=50100&headline=laughing-child-gangsters-caged-name_page.html)- South London Press - Sep 9 2005
Gixxer1000
18-02-2007, 17:00
(which the papers think are called Poverty Driven Children which started in the Guardian iirc).
.
Hectually
"PDC. People are taking it like it's a group or it's a gang but it's not. It's a statement because everyone in the world is PDC; a poverty driven child and everyone is poverty driven. People that go to work are going to work for money so they're poverty driven. It will take time for people to realise the message because of all the bad press. PDC used to be other things like Peel Dem Crew; that's how it originated. Now it's evolved; Public Demand Cartel - that's the label. It's just different now. People are going to have to realise it."
Logic
'Parrently also stands for Pussy,Drugs,Cash
Anyone got any pics of people committing unsolved crimes? I'll pay you 10% of the Crimestoppers reward...
RushcroftRoader
18-02-2007, 21:11
[QUOTE=TeeJay]International Acton Network on Small Arms:
If Acton has a network on small arms then so should Brixton!!!!
;)
GarfieldLeChat
19-02-2007, 11:37
Sorry Garf but this is the origional post and it doesn't contain any mention of 'freebies':It simply asks about photographers who have done any work in this area.
hmm supossed photo editor looking for resources from a free website ingorning the FAQ to request such resoruces and i'm expected to beleive that after this point the intentions are honest and worthy and they would actually pay based on their conduct thus far... streching it i feel.
If he had been asking about anyone who had taken photos of kids with guns in palestine then someone could have easially mentioned your name.
they could have that's not being prevented here....
If someone contacted you and wanted to use one of your photos what would you say?
depnds on the usuage and what the shot was intended for and whether the shot had a previous licence on it to... i'd have to see the intented piece or publiction in order for it to get approveal...and have the request in writing, my commisioned work however is a different matter...client dictates dunnthey...
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