Random stabbing in Clapham [Archive]

story

11-02-2007, 17:10

Gixxer1000

11-02-2007, 17:19

Another Brixton thread:rolleyes:

story

11-02-2007, 17:23

Perhaps it should be elsewhere... apologies to the Mods. Lazy idiocy on my part :o :o

sayjann3

11-02-2007, 17:46

This happened last night (Saturday).

A pal was standing on the pavement outside a restaurant on the high street. There was a gang of feral yoot. One of them charged into the restaurant and randomly stabbed a diner.

The end.

A game of dare? A bet or challenge? There didn't appear to be any connection between the bloke in the restaurant and the gang on the pavement.

Its no wonder people with families are leaving London, who wants to live in an environment where you can be stabbed enjoying a meal in a restaurant.

My advice to anyone with a family, if you can leave London, leave . Leave London to the Russian Oligarchs in Mayfair and the rude boys in places SW9.

I predict in 10 years time South London and parts of North London will be virtual no go areas for normal people.

SJ

BlackSpecs

11-02-2007, 18:12

Its no wonder people with families are leaving London, who wants to live in an environment where you can be stabbed enjoying a meal in a restaurant.

My advice to anyone with a family, if you can leave London, leave . Leave London to the Russian Oligarchs in Mayfair and the rude boys in places SW9.

I predict in 10 years time South London and parts of North London will be virtual no go areas for normal people.

SJ

Well i think you are being rather dramatic....in a city of millions an event like this is VERY tragic but it happens. I predict that South London will actually become more and more an area for "normal" people as you call them! Take a look for example at East Dulwich - it used to be pretty bad and is now on its way to become the new Dulwich Village - slowly turning Peckham and even Queens Road Peckham into property hot spots !!!! :eek:

It is a crazy development but that's London ! Your post says it all : Rude boyz and Oligarchs - swim or sink !

trashpony

11-02-2007, 18:13

aurora green

11-02-2007, 18:29

sayjann3

11-02-2007, 18:40

[QUOTE=trashpony]What do you consider normal?

Aren't you the person who blames London's problems all on nasty Africans or have I got you confused with someone else?[/QUO

I consider normal being able to go out for a meal and not be stabbed in the restaurant. Normal people are those who dont tolerate that sort of behavoir.

Re Africans, I have mentioned in a previous post that I dont want to live in a predominantly African city, or indeed Asian.

I have never blamed Londons crime problem on Africans, I have blamed a good deal of London crime on Jamaicans or those of Jamaican parentage.

SJ

sayjann3

11-02-2007, 18:47

Well i think you are being rather dramatic....in a city of millions an event like this is VERY tragic but it happens. I predict that South London will actually become more and more an area for "normal" people as you call them! Take a look for example at East Dulwich - it used to be pretty bad and is now on its way to become the new Dulwich Village - slowly turning Peckham and even Queens Road Peckham into property hot spots !!!! :eek:

It is a crazy development but that's London ! Your post says it all : Rude boyz and Oligarchs - swim or sink !

Well I hope I am proved wrong. We dont want a city of very very rich and very poor. Thats what is happening in London. The middle-classes are moving out.

I hope we wont end with a Tale of Two Cities. I drive round London everyday as a cab driver. It is changing, the inner city so to speak has all been gentrified, the ring outside that is becoming a place where you dont go out at night and beyond that you are in to the shires.

SJ

Gixxer1000

11-02-2007, 19:08

the ring outside that is becoming a place where you dont go out at night and beyond that you are in to the shires.

SJ

You been watching "Lord of the Rings" ?:D

story

11-02-2007, 23:40

Is there a source for this? Or were you a witness?
Only it seems a bit hard to believe...

I was told this by a pal (the one I mentioned in the OP), who was there at the time that it happened. He is a witness to the crime. The cops have his details. He told me about it.

story

11-02-2007, 23:42

I consider normal being able to go out for a meal and not be stabbed in the restaurant. Normal people are those who dont tolerate that sort of behavoir.

Re Africans, I have mentioned in a previous post that I dont want to live in a predominantly African city, or indeed Asian.

I have never blamed Londons crime problem on Africans, I have blamed a good deal of London crime on Jamaicans or those of Jamaican parentage.

SJ

:eek: :eek:

I can't believe that people really believe this sort of shit.

trashpony

11-02-2007, 23:45

[QUOTE=sayjann3]

:eek: :eek:

I can't believe that people really believe this sort of shit.

Well he says he's a cabbie and he's doing a bloody good job of confirming every crappy stereotype of the cabbie I've ever heard :rolleyes:

story

11-02-2007, 23:47

Which is a shame, cos I know some right sorted cabbies.

potential

12-02-2007, 00:03

[QUOTE=trashpony][QUOTE=story]

W

story

12-02-2007, 00:07

Potential - please go back and correct your post. I did not say that...

ETA Thank you

trashpony

12-02-2007, 00:08

[QUOTE=trashpony]
your sooooo boring yawn... lets slag someone off because of their profession
what other single minded views do you have ???? piss off back to the 1900's

Why don't you read what he wrote and then read what I wrote. Div :rolleyes:

I don't give a shit what he does for a living. He just brings it up every single time he's challenged on his views.

aurora green

12-02-2007, 07:02

I was told this by a pal (the one I mentioned in the OP), who was there at the time that it happened. He is a witness to the crime. The cops have his details. He told me about it.

Apologies for not reading your OP properly story.
Guess I just didn't want this to be true.:(

..I have blamed a good deal of London crime on Jamaicans or those of Jamaican parentage.

I'm sorry, but can you just fuck off sayjann, you're not welcome around here with that attitude. It's totally unacceptable.

poster342002

12-02-2007, 10:12

Well i think you are being rather dramatic....in a city of millions an event like this is VERY tragic but it happens.
It's happening rather too often, wouldn't you say?

My last girlfriend actually refused to come to visit me in Brixton anymore after one too many reported instances of idiotic violence and also having grown tired of running the gauntlet of aggressive "vibrant charecters" between the station and my flat.

And you know what? I can't honestly blame her anymore (wasn't happy about it at the time, though).

sayjann3

12-02-2007, 15:27

I'm sorry, but can you just fuck off sayjann, you're not welcome around here with that attitude. It's totally unacceptable.[/QUOTE]

You dont know what my attitude is, its actually a very fair and balanced attitude. By making topics off bounds it adds to the problem.

Someone says something you disagree with so you want to banish them, it would be a pretty dull place if everyone sang from the same sheet.

SJ

sayjann3

12-02-2007, 15:31

[QUOTE=story]

Well he says he's a cabbie and he's doing a bloody good job of confirming every crappy stereotype of the cabbie I've ever heard :rolleyes:

Dont you think people who spend their working day driving round the city would have a good idea of whats going on, I dont even think you believe what you are writing anyway.

SJ

citydreams

12-02-2007, 15:33

ChrisFilter

12-02-2007, 16:57

sayjann sounds like Ern to me..

Blagsta

12-02-2007, 17:21

Dont you think people who spend their working day driving round the city would have a good idea of whats going on, I dont even think you believe what you are writing anyway.

SJ

fuck off, there's a good chap

trashpony

12-02-2007, 17:25

[QUOTE=trashpony]

Dont you think people who spend their working day driving round the city would have a good idea of whats going on, I dont even think you believe what you are writing anyway.

SJ

That's right you've found me out - I'm a secret member of the BNP :rolleyes:

Couldn't Ern use the quote function either?

12-02-2007, 17:27

sayjann sounds like Ern to me..

Yup - he always had that latent racism going on... surprised he's a teacher TBH, what with all the pro-dictatorship bullshit too... and nobody can tell me it was just an aspect of his personality because he's been peddling the same shit on specialist teacher's websites too, with no links to this site at all, and posting under his real name.

sayjann3

12-02-2007, 19:46

fuck off, there's a good chap

I will not leave unless I am chucked off. I have not done any thing wrong to break the rules of the board I have looked. Blagsta, people have different views to other people.

I am not in the BNP, I am not a member of any political party.

Look I am a working class English guy who was born and raised in London. I dont see why I should be hounded off the Urban75 board.

Are you from London Blagsta?

Do you look down on the English working class?

You and some of the other posters look down on me because I am a cab driver, despite the fact it took me 6 year to get my bill, I would never swear or trade personal insults to someone over a board like this, yet you do and some of the other posters.

Your snobs mate.

SJ

aurora green

12-02-2007, 19:53

Well with racist views like yours, it won't be long till you are chucked off.

Errol's son

12-02-2007, 19:58

Sayjann3 is almost illiterate.

Ern was far from illiterate; he was rather good at writing I always thought. Its a dumbed down Ern if it is Ern.

sayjann3

12-02-2007, 20:00

Well with racist views like yours, it won't be long till you are chucked off.

I dont think I have been racist, not deliberatly so. I said I didnt want London to become predominalty African or Asian, yes I said that.

Is an African guy in Ghana racist if he says he doesnt want loads of europeans in his capital city.

I said what I think, I dont want to be kicked off for that .

I cant apologise for my view, because it is my view. I will apolgise if it annoyed or offended people, but try and see where I my view.

auroa green, just accept that someone new has joined the board and is a little different.

What I dont want to happen is to be chucked off, I dont really want to talk about race either.

SJ

sayjann3

12-02-2007, 20:02

Sayjann3 is almost illiterate.

Ern was far from illiterate; he was rather good at writing I always thought. Its a dumbed down Ern if it is Ern.

I left school at 15 unable to read or write at all, i am largely self taught mate as mentioned.

SJ

Streathamite

12-02-2007, 20:45

Well I hope I am proved wrong. We dont want a city of very very rich and very poor. Thats what is happening in London. The middle-classes are moving out.

I hope we wont end with a Tale of Two Cities. I drive round London everyday as a cab driver. It is changing, the inner city so to speak has all been gentrified, the ring outside that is becoming a place where you dont go out at night and beyond that you are in to the shires.

SJ
how on earth do you think capitalism works? it's inevitable this 'two cities' effect

story

12-02-2007, 21:31

Randon Stabbing

My friend left work around 7pm on Sydenham High Street. He was walking along the road and felt someone slap him on the back whilst running past. Thinking it was a joke of kinds he continued walking up the hill. It was only when he went to use the phone box that he realised he had a knife sticking out of his back. The police said it was to do with gang initiation.

That was 1986.

S'funny you say that...

More info from my pal today - he said the kids were about 13, 14 years old, and that he got the impression that it was a kind of initiation thing. They were gee-ing up the one that did it, revving up the tension and energy amongst themselves.

S'alright aurora green, I assumed it was that.

Blagsta

12-02-2007, 22:40

I will not leave unless I am chucked off. I have not done any thing wrong to break the rules of the board I have looked. Blagsta, people have different views to other people.

I am not in the BNP, I am not a member of any political party.

Look I am a working class English guy who was born and raised in London. I dont see why I should be hounded off the Urban75 board.

Are you from London Blagsta?

Do you look down on the English working class?

You and some of the other posters look down on me because I am a cab driver, despite the fact it took me 6 year to get my bill, I would never swear or trade personal insults to someone over a board like this, yet you do and some of the other posters.

Your snobs mate.

SJ

fuck off you racist piece of shit

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 14:06

fuck off you racist piece of shit

No.

Another days work over for me, time to look the boards over before I proceed to the Prince of Tek for a pint.

SJ

editor

13-02-2007, 15:47

[
I have never blamed Londons crime problem on Africans, I have blamed a good deal of London crime on Jamaicans or those of Jamaican parentage.

You say a "good deal", so what are you talking about? 50% of all London crime? 60%?

Oh, and be sure to present some figures to back up your assertions. Thanks.

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 16:11

You say a "good deal", so what are you talking about? 50% of all London crime? 60%?

Oh, and be sure to present some figures to back up your assertions. Thanks.

I dont hold statistics to hand I am afraid. My views are based on my observations of living and working in this city for more than 30 years.

I know that operation Trident is the second biggest body of detectives in the Met and as you know they tackle black on black crime.

I know two detectives in that directorate, one I have known 20 years, he has told me that nearly all the gunmen he deals with are Jamaican or British born of Jamaican parents..

He is not a racist person as some on here will be quick to paint him as, I am not either but I do have opinions which are based on 30 or so years of social interaction.

SJ

Blagsta

13-02-2007, 16:30

So its based on your own prejudices then.

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 16:34

So its based on your own prejudices then.

Did the Metropolitan police set up Operation Trident out of prejudice?

I dont know what to say to you Blagsta, its like your trying to trick me in to saying something that will get me banned. I was answering the editors question as honestly and fairly as I could to explain my comments.

Surely I cant be the only person on this board to see a problem in some areas of London with Jamaican crime.

What does Detective Boy think? He must have a view.

SJ

trashpony

13-02-2007, 16:38

I dont hold statistics to hand I am afraid. My views are based on my observations of living and working in this city for more than 30 years.

My views and observations are based on living and working in this city for 25 years. And amazingly, they're totally different to yours. :eek:

What does that mean d'ya think? :confused:

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 16:41

My views and observations are based on living and working in this city for 25 years. And amazingly, they're totally different to yours. :eek:

What does that mean d'ya think? :confused:

OK trashpony I respect your view. Please answer honestly, am I totally wrong with my view on Jamaican crime in parts of London?

SJ

dash

13-02-2007, 17:13

I have lived in London for over 30 out of my 40-odd years and these are my impressions on the ethnic side of the division of criminal labour.

English arseholes: Greater incidence of alcohol-related violence, nonce activities.

Caribbean arseholes: Greater incidence of muggings, shootings.

The two groups about evens for vandalism, drug dealing (though maybe some differences in the kinds of drugs being dealt and how they're dealt). Not sure about burglary, esp when broken down into components of domestic and commercial premises.

Sundry specialisms for the ne'er-do-wells of other ethnic groups: honour killings, extortion rackets, various scams etc.

I'd like to test these impressions against proper stats but I've not found them.

Blagsta

13-02-2007, 17:52

Did the Metropolitan police set up Operation Trident out of prejudice?

I dont know what to say to you Blagsta, its like your trying to trick me in to saying something that will get me banned. I was answering the editors question as honestly and fairly as I could to explain my comments.

Surely I cant be the only person on this board to see a problem in some areas of London with Jamaican crime.

What does Detective Boy think? He must have a view.

SJ

You claimed that a good deal (in other words the majority) of London crime is committed by Jamaicans. You have provided no evidence of this, merely provided some (possibly fictional) hearsay about operation Trident (which last time I looked did not deal with the majority of London crime.

btw, I don't need to trick you into saying anything - you're coming out with racist shit all by yourself.

detective-boy

13-02-2007, 18:45

I know that operation Trident is the second biggest body of detectives in the Met and as you know they tackle black on black crime.

I know two detectives in that directorate, one I have known 20 years, he has told me that nearly all the gunmen he deals with are Jamaican or British born of Jamaican parents..
1. You know fuck all then. Cos it isn't - by a million fucking miles

2. And, well, it would be wouldn't it ... cos the unit he's on deals with, er, black-on-black crime. Be pretty fucking surprising if he dealt with any eskimos wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

detective-boy

13-02-2007, 18:48

Did the Metropolitan police set up Operation Trident out of prejudice?
No. It set it up because there were a relatively small number of very violent criminals "hiding" amongst the black community and, primarily, victimising members of the community and that community (after years of asking) eventually persuaded the police that they needed a dedicated unit to address the problem.

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 19:41

1. You know fuck all then. Cos it isn't - by a million fucking miles

2. And, well, it would be wouldn't it ... cos the unit he's on deals with, er, black-on-black crime. Be pretty fucking surprising if he dealt with any eskimos wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

You didnt answer my question, the crime he deals with is mainly Jamaican crime, its not African or Trindad people etc etc...

He said most of the people he deals with during his duties in Trident are Jamaican.

SJ

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 19:53

No. It set it up because there were a relatively small number of very violent criminals "hiding" amongst the black community and, primarily, victimising members of the community and that community (after years of asking) eventually persuaded the police that they needed a dedicated unit to address the problem.

Are those criminals Jamaican though, answer the question man.

Its not chaps from Milawi or the PDRC that you are arresting is it.

SJ

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 20:11

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sayjann3

13-02-2007, 20:17

You claimed that a good deal (in other words the majority) of London crime is committed by Jamaicans. You have provided no evidence of this, merely provided some (possibly fictional) hearsay about operation Trident (which last time I looked did not deal with the majority of London crime.

btw, I don't need to trick you into saying anything - you're coming out with racist shit all by yourself.

Blagsta, there is no operation Bagette to target French criminals, or operation Sushi to target the Japanese gangsters.

There is no operation as there is no problem from those guys.

There is however such a problem that there needs to be an Operation Trident,

I personally think operation Trident is offensive to the vast majority of black folk. it should be called operation Spanish Town.

Why wont you even accept there is the slightest problem, its just crazy.

Even Detctive boy, he doesnt seem like a normal detective, there is something fishy there. He seems more like management or is bull shitting.

SJ

Blagsta

13-02-2007, 20:20

You wrote that a good deal of London crime is commited by Jamaicans.

Time to put up or shut up.

trashpony

13-02-2007, 20:27

I know that operation Trident is the second biggest body of detectives in the Met and as you know they tackle black on black crime.

1. You know fuck all then. Cos it isn't - by a million fucking miles

Did you miss this bit then?

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 20:34

You wrote that a good deal of London crime is commited by Jamaicans.

Time to put up or shut up.

I am going to shut up now, I dont want to be portrayed as some rabid David Copeland type person I am not. I made some comments earlier which I was challenged on and in my eyes trying fairly to explain.

I dont judge people on colour, not at all. I will speak up if I feel I am right. In some repects your the same, you speak up if you are angry.

I dont want to discuss Jamaicans again or anything to do with race issues, it makes me so angry like a dog with a bone.

I really dont mean any offence.

SJ:)

Blagsta

13-02-2007, 20:44

fuck off

Streathamite

13-02-2007, 21:17

You didnt answer my question, the crime he deals with is mainly Jamaican crime, its not African or Trindad people etc etc...

He said most of the people he deals with during his duties in Trident are Jamaican.

SJ
if yer mate is a white copper, my experience is that he would neither be able to differentiate between one caribbean country and another, or even regard it as important

flameacademy

13-02-2007, 21:20

fuck off, there's a good chap

fuck off you racist piece of shit

fuck off

Your vocabulary hasn't improved much since the last time I scanned these boards....cue predictable response

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 21:20

if yer mate is a white copper, my experience is that he would neither be able to differentiate between one caribbean country and another, or even regard it as important

I am bowing out of this debate mate for the time being if not forever, appreciate the heads up though.
SJ

sayjann3

13-02-2007, 21:26

fuck off

I am leaving this thread for the forseeable future Blagsta, you remind me of T-Bag from Prison Break. :) :p

I wont be leaving these boards voluntarily. I believe there is a place for me here, I enjoy posting here and I have been respectful.

SJ

Blagsta

13-02-2007, 21:46

Your vocabulary hasn't improved much since the last time I scanned these boards....cue predictable response

What other vocabulary does one need when dealing with people like sayjann?

aurora green

13-02-2007, 21:48

... I have been respectful.

Not to the Jamaican community, you haven't.

Streathamite

13-02-2007, 21:53

Your vocabulary hasn't improved much since the last time I scanned these boards....cue predictable response
it's good enough to attract you straight to it, or are we being a tad obsessive:D

hendo

13-02-2007, 21:56

Dare I state the obvious? That these murders are about poverty, poor education, poor parenting and the massive amounts of quick cash available if you're part of the drugs trade.

detective-boy

14-02-2007, 09:19

...and the massive amounts of quick cash available if you're part of the drugs trade.
Which is, in my view, by far the biggest, most damaging thing about it. We need to do something drastic (like legalisation / de-criminalisation) to impact on this.

story

14-02-2007, 11:09

Which is, in my view, by far the biggest, most damaging thing about it. We need to do something drastic (like legalisation / de-criminalisation) to impact on this.

Well said, but no-one with the power to do so has the courage to embrace this sort of legislation.

detective-boy

14-02-2007, 12:27

Well said, but no-one with the power to do so has the courage to embrace this sort of legislation.
I think the problem is bigger than that. I don't think any country could do this unilaterally - it would have to be done on a continental scale or you would just get loads of additional problems by "drug tourists" (both the Netherlands and Switzerland have seen this when they have moved in this direction). Would have to be the whole of Europe now, I think, especially with the "borderless" nature of the EU area.

story

14-02-2007, 14:15

And so, unfortunately, it is more or less impossible, yes.

ice-is-forming

09-04-2007, 11:10

someones just gotta come up with a feasible way of phasing it in...the whole drug laws re scheduled drugs needs to be reassessed and a total revolution in thinking is needed to avoid it being a 'policed' prohibition on tobacco and alcohol.

people are slowly finding it more un-comfortable to smoke..the drink driving laws slow many people down already with the drinking...

we all need a drug revolution...its seems to be a long time coming...:(