View Full Version : Shooting of a teenager in Peckham
Mrs T mentioned this in the Streatham shooting thread, but having heard the news, I think this story may deserve a new thread.
BBC story here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6335483.stm).
Someone here at home suggests that there may be some sort of turf war going on, school gangs gotten out of control.
Pk suggests that crack *must* be involved with these shootings of teenagers.
This, and a hanfd grenade on Myatts Field Estate.
WTF is occurring? Has it ever been this bad before?
What on earth can be done to stop this shit happening?
:( and :eek: and :confused:
and there will not be any witnesses of course, anyone to ID the bad men - as ever.
They bust into his home while he slept, according to the radio news.
It's horrific. The kid had just turned 15 and was killed in his bed.
If these murdering teenagers are so desensitised to violence that they feel no qualms about killing someone in their bed, it doesn't bode too well for what might come next in this stupid, pointless feud.
PacificOcean
06-02-2007, 16:45
Two shootings in Peckham at the weekend. The boy at the Ice rink and this one. It's only Tuesday. :(
passenger
06-02-2007, 16:51
very worrying this shit just seems to be geting worse this stuff does
not even make the papers :(
PacificOcean
06-02-2007, 17:54
very worrying this shit just seems to be geting worse this stuff does
not even make the papers :(
For a change, all these stories have made the Standard.
The police are saying they can't find any links to local gangs, and that it might be a case of mistaken identity. :(
guinnessdrinker
06-02-2007, 19:59
Two shootings in Peckham at the weekend. The boy at the Ice rink and this one. It's only Tuesday. :(
the boy in the ice rink shooting was in streatham, IIRC.
PacificOcean
06-02-2007, 20:18
the boy in the ice rink shooting was in streatham, IIRC.
I know. I was reflecting that in the space of a weekend, four people have been shot. Two of them under 16.
The police are saying they can't find any links to local gangs, and that it might be a case of mistaken identity. :(They've just reported that there is a link to the previous shooting.
(*checks websites, can't find anything so wonders if I got it wrong)
They have, but they're still going with the mistaken identity line. I wonder whether he was a witness, or something?
Radio Four last night said that his older brother had been involved with some local "incident" recently. They also ran the mistaken identity line.
Radio Four last night said that his older brother had been involved with some local "incident" recently. They also ran the mistaken identity line.
That's because I am Radio Four, or part of it. ;)
I am Radio Four
This should be your tagline!
aurora green
07-02-2007, 17:57
This, and a hanfd grenade on Myatts Field Estate.
Sorry, not normally pedantic, but the hand grenade was found on the Loughborough estate.:mad: :confused:
Myatts fields' has a bad enough reputation as it is...
Terrible news though, really just depressing, upsetting, confusing, totally crap.:(
Sorry, not normally pedantic, but the hand grenade was found on the Loughborough estate.:mad: :confused:
Myatts fields' has a bad enough reputation as it is...
Terrible news though, really just depressing, upsetting, confusing, totally crap.:(
Beg'pardon aurora green...faulty memory chip. Didn't bother checking... :o
aurora green
07-02-2007, 18:13
I only know so, because I could see the bloody yellow incident sign from my living room window. wtf???!!!!
Link now established between Michael's murder and a fatal stabbing three days earlier... No details yet.
Daily Express. (http://express.lineone.net/news_detail_pa.html?sku=117086598010905-H3)
four people arrested last night
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6341381.stm
Four people have been arrested in connection with the fatal shooting of a teenager in his bedroom.
here's hoping...
there's been a real strange vibe round this end of Peckham in recent days. Lots of police presence/'activity' and a good few incidents i've witnessed of bunches of kids fighting, shouting, running around in large packs. Which isn't really the norm round here in all honesty.
Met more neighbourhoors these last couple of days (everyone poking their heads out of doors) than I have the whole time I've been here..
Mrs Magpie
11-02-2007, 14:37
I think it's completely wrong to assume 'drugs or gangs'. That's what people said about the two people shot at Finsbury Park station last year....They were shot (one in the neck, one in the back but thankfully both survived)....all because someone brushed the gunman with a bag as they walked by......
PacificOcean
11-02-2007, 15:06
I think it's completely wrong to assume 'drugs or gangs'. That's what people said about the two people shot at Finsbury Park station last year....They were shot (one in the neck, one in the back but thankfully both survived)....all because someone brushed the gunman with a bag as they walked by......
But isn't that case the exception rather than the rule?
Aren't the majority of shootings to do with either drugs or gangs/respect?
Gixxer1000
11-02-2007, 16:13
But isn't that case the exception rather than the rule?
Aren't the majority of shootings to do with either drugs or gangs/respect?
"Brushing" past someone is deemed to be a display of disrespect.
And you can bet anybody highly strung enough to pull a loaded gun and fire it just because they were brushed with a bag is that way for a reason, i.e. on drugs.
Regular users of crack will experience psychosis, paranoia, depression, anxiety disorders, and delusions, not to mention violent mood swings.
Not an effect you get from taking too much e.
Plus of course crack dealers are far more likely to be armed, given the fact that a desperate addict would be prepared to do almost anything to get a rock.
Actually, if you took loads and loads and loads of e you might get some of those symptoms but with crack it seems par for the course.
gracious
12-02-2007, 11:43
there is a public meeting on monday for anyone that's interested
Public Meeting on Monday 12th February at
6.30pm in The Learning & Business Centre, Cator St, off Commercial Way,
SE15
This meeting is the place to go to get accurate information, and also to
express community solidarity both for the people affected and for our
hopes and confidence in the future of Peckham.
gracious
12-02-2007, 11:44
some info coming directly from the police to peckham residents network
Staff are requested to disseminate and use this information to inform and
reassure as part of normal conversations in Peckham and other areas of
the Borough.
• Orando Madden, 23 years, of Wodehouse Avenue, Peckham, SE15 has been
charged with the murder (stabbing) of a 21-year old male in Southampton
Way, SE15 on 3/2/07. He has been remanded in custody;
• Four people were arrested on 7/2/07 in connection with the murder of 15 year old Michael Dosunmu in Peckham. They are currently being held at police
stations in south London;
• The murder of Michael Dosunmu at his home in Diamond Street, SE15 on 6
February 2007 was not a random event. The address was targeted.
• Police believe that there is no link between the murders in Peckham and that
at Streatham Ice Rink;
• The investigations into the three recent murders in Peckham are continuing.
Some limited disruption will continue as a result of police scene investigations
at Diamond Street and Clayton Road. This is likely to continue until the
weekend;
• The Safer Neighbourhood Teams for Peckham and The Lane wards, together
with members of the Southwark Community Warden Service are currently
providing additional patrols in the area. These patrols are being reviewed
daily.
• Whilst these are tragic events, we know that they are rare. We must at this
difficult time still recognise the progress that has and is being made to combat
violence in the community. It is a fact that reports of violent crime continued to fall in Southwark Borough and reports of more serious violence have shown a 24% reduction since April 2006 compared with the previous year. This said,
we must always remember that three lives have been lost and we must
redouble our efforts to prevent these tragedies occurring again.
Violent incidents in Peckham are rare?
I was in Peckham on Saturday getting my hair done, came out of the salon around 9pm. There were police vans parked all down Rye Lane. There were Police and PCSOs all stretched out at intervals from the station down to Holland and Barrett. There were groups of five police outside McDonalds and KFC.
I went into McDonalds and it was empty- at 9pm on a Saturday night. I remarked on this to the staff and was told there had been a near riot just minutes before, with huge groups of kids scuffling and fighting. Hence the police had been called and they had turned up mob handed.
A female member of staff told me it happened regularly and that last week a girl had been stabbed in the head by another girl during a big fight. She then pointed to the point of the floor where they had had to clean up the blood.
This member of staff twice told me that she was scared to work there, but that she needed the money.
How much could anyone pay you to work in McDonalds in Peckham?
Sure, this many deaths in a short space of time may be rare, but it is at the very least disingenuous to suggest that crime, fights, verbal violence and hostility in Peckham are not huge concerns for people who live, work and shop there.
William of Walworth
12-02-2007, 22:25
Not defending that Police statement particularly, but I think they really meant to say that fatal incidents (ie ending in death :( ), were rare in Peckham.
I've no doubt you're right (in fact I know) that violence generally is far from uncommon in some parts of the area.
detective-boy
12-02-2007, 22:39
Violent incidents in Peckham are rare?
It doesn't say that though, does it? It says that:
Whilst these are tragic events, we know that they are rare. We must at this difficult time still recognise the progress that has and is being made to combat violence in the community. It is a fact that reports of violent crime continued to fall in Southwark Borough and reports of more serious violence have shown a 24% reduction since April 2006 compared with the previous year. This said, we must always remember that three lives have been lost and we must redouble our efforts to prevent these tragedies occurring again.
I.E. Murders like these are rare. The only comment made about violent incidents generally is that there has been a fall in the Borough (not just Peckham, which may or may not have fallen based on this information) of 24% year on year in relation to "more serious violence" (which may be defined in several ways, but I would normally expect to mean wounding/GBH and above). As there are no actual figures, that statistic in itself doesn't actually say whether they are "rare" or not. (From my recollection, they aren't particularly "rare" - Peckham was always near the top of the list for street robberes and other violent crime)
After such a tense week, the council, police and local community leaders are going to be wanting to play things down in order to calm the people who live there. They trot out the usual line about recorded crime actually being down, and its just the perception of crime... blah blah.
It was the "dont have nightmares... it's all back under control..." nature of the end of Gracious' post I took issue with. (And I am aware they were merely passing on an official message).
The people of Peckham were shocked by the violence and they have the right to worry without someone official coming along to tell them why they are wrong to do so, especially when its on their own doorstep. Violence in Peckham is often arbitary, it blows up out of nowhere, and at other times it seems very much pre meditated. Both are unsettling and scary as hell.
Actual deaths may be rare, but I dont think you would find a person who was surprised at such wanton wickedness would happen there. The only unusual thing was those deaths happened in a single week.
detective-boy
13-02-2007, 18:39
The people of Peckham were shocked by the violence and they have the right to worry without someone official coming along to tell them why they are wrong to do so, especially when its on their own doorstep.
Peckhams a fucking nightmare. People are being murdered randomly every day. Oh my God! :eek: Run for the Hills!
(Feel better now? I take it you live there / know whats actually happening there, by the way)
gracious
13-02-2007, 19:36
i've lived in peckham for 4 years, and havent seen any violence at all, although 2 different female flatmates have been victims of failed attempts at muggings.
tbh this whole thing is scarey, scarey mostly because it says something about the nature of the kids in this area. where i used to live in bromley/croydon you would see kids kicking off, nicking mobile phones etc all the time, in fact a lot more prevalent than in peckham... the difference is, that in peckham when it does kick off, likelihood is that said kids will have a knife or a gun.
i guess im one of the young-professionals that are slowly gentrifying peckham from the east dulwich end in. a lot of people express distaste at the gentrification of "real" areas like peckham... if over a very slow process these kids see that they could grow up to be east dulwich style rather that east peckham style - perhaps over a long slow period opportunities for these kids get better.
in the meantime, its both tragic and very worrying.
gracious
13-02-2007, 19:38
and by the way, in my experience, the people that work in mcdonalds in peckham cant even hand over a bigmac in under 20 minutes... not sure id be taking their word of prevalence of violence over the police!!
normskii
14-02-2007, 14:58
I have heard through someone with connections to the council that this is due to <editor: snip for legal reasons>
I don't know if this is definately true of course.
poster342002
15-02-2007, 09:44
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normskii
15-02-2007, 10:43
Sorry ed. Not trying to get you in trouble.
i guess im one of the young-professionals that are slowly gentrifying peckham from the east dulwich end in. a lot of people express distaste at the gentrification of "real" areas like peckham... if over a very slow process these kids see that they could grow up to be east dulwich style rather that east peckham style - perhaps over a long slow period opportunities for these kids get better.
in the meantime, its both tragic and very worrying.
I dont think the kids we're talking about will perceive 'east dulwich style' as something to aspire to or that is realistically obtainable, and if anything the area (and type of people) will change slowly in Peckham not the attitudes and culture that exists in certain communities.
Real and obtainable opportunities need to be created alongside real community engagement in these deprived areas for any meaningful change to occur imo. Easy words to say i know..
Living nearer the neck of the woods that these things seem to be happening in I don't feel much sense of 'community', or maybe it's that I just don't feel engaged in it (blue smartie syndrome perhaps). The area is alot of social housing, lots of small self-contained flats in blocks, but not much in the way of open spaces or communial areas (a problem in alot of areas I know), I get very little in the way of communication through my door from anyone other than Southwark Housing or African faith healers - so what I'm basically saying is that it all doesn't really engender community spirit/neighbourly feelings.
I've had very little to do with the people in my block, even my direct neighbours and I'm a reasonable social/friendly guy in general, but I have to say when I have it's been brief but felt genuine.
I'm not saying this explains recent events, but I think it's definitely a contributory factor. I think it's only a good thing they're knocking down some of the larger older estates round here (currently one on Queens Rd) but so long as they take some real thought in how they're replacing them.
A well argued article in the Guardian from someone who knows what she's talking about:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gun/Story/0,,2008059,00.html
detective-boy
15-02-2007, 13:08
A well argued article in the Guardian from someone who knows what she's talking about:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gun/Story/0,,2008059,00.html
A very telling point she makes is that the use of "parenting orders" is a bit of a waste of time when it comes to those who need them most - because the parental bond has broken down so fundamentally it is not really there at all (or it is acting in an entirely negative way).
Looking at the four involved in the Peckham Christening shooting, you see dire parenting (and abuse, at least in the case of the main one) which has undoubtedly had a profound impact on how / why they have ended up where they have. And some of them have children themselves. And so the cycle goes around ....
Ideas thought of in Hampstead, in minds which have an institutionalised picture of a basic Mum, Dad, 2.4 kids and a labrador nuclear family as their starting point are never goping to come up with any ideas which are going to work in the real world of the people who need help / advice / guidance and, if all that fails, some sort of punitive regime.
gracious
15-02-2007, 17:41
I don't feel much sense of 'community'
so strange to hear you say that, i have always felt that the community in peckham was much more alive and connected than anywhere else i've lived. certainly more so than beckenham/bromley. there's all manner of local activities available and even my local park has a committee (warwick gardens). and i've always found it really refreshing that people on the street actually talk to you - shoe laces undone etc.
perhaps it really is the difference between east and west peckham...?
as for not wanting to grow up to be an east dulwich type: word.
gracious
15-02-2007, 17:45
Real and obtainable opportunities need to be created alongside real community engagement in these deprived areas for any meaningful change to occur imo. Easy words to say i know..
anything we as local residents can do?
so strange to hear you say that, i have always felt that the community in peckham was much more alive and connected than anywhere else i've lived. certainly more so than beckenham/bromley. there's all manner of local activities available and even my local park has a committee (warwick gardens). and i've always found it really refreshing that people on the street actually talk to you - shoe laces undone etc.
perhaps it really is the difference between east and west peckham...?
as for not wanting to grow up to be an east dulwich type: word.
Don't get me wrong, I do think that Peckham has a real community feel to it.. walk down Rye Lane you can't help but feel slightly intoxicated by it all.. the hustle and bustle and the fact that so many food shops (butchers/grocers/etc) can exist on one stretch of road is always a source of amazement for me.
I'm talking about when you get away from the centre go north and you hit my block of flats and the flats surrounding me and this general area.. it's functional, and you can't say much else for it apart from it being heavily African. There's nicer blocks, and some not so nice blocks, plently of roads of terrace housing yes, but you realise you're a long long way from East Dulwich. (whether you consider that to be a good or bad thing!)
gracious - I know all that sort of community shit happens round your way, but you don't get nada round here, or nothing that includes me in the demographic ciculation. My block's tenants meeting? Wouldn't have a clue. Local residents association? Not that I know of.
I just don't think the people care about their area/community as much as they seem to round your way.. which is a shame, as having been here coming up to a year now, a visitor for longer, and due to the job I do, I do actually give a shit.
I do understand that this is just my experience and perception, and I think I'm going to start trying to prove myself wrong and investigate a bit more...
I dont think the kids we're talking about will perceive 'east dulwich style' as something to aspire to or that is realistically obtainable, and if anything the area (and type of people) will change slowly in Peckham not the attitudes and culture that exists in certain communities.
Real and obtainable opportunities need to be created alongside real community engagement in these deprived areas for any meaningful change to occur imo. Easy words to say i know..
Very well said :)
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