View Full Version : Lost pubs, cinemas, theatres and squats of Brixton
After I was reminded of my abandoned project to snap closed pubs in Brixton, I'd be grateful if peeps could list any closed pubs in and around their Brixton 'hood (incl the full address) and I'll go around on my bike and snap them all for a "those we have loved and lost" ( © Donna) 'closed pub' section on the site.
These are the ones I've photographed so far:
Plough Stockwell (I know it's not quite Brixton, but it's close enough)
Hamilton Arms
King of Sardinia
That pub at the top of Acre Lane
The pub that is now a building society on Brixton Road opp the job centre
Green Man
Bradys
Junction
Mucky Duck Coldharbour La (has this opened?)
Your help please Brixton folks!
lang rabbie
06-12-2005, 13:46
Lord Stanley, 31 Hinton Road (demolished???)
Russell Hotel, 116 Brixton Road
Warrior, 242 Coldharbour Lane
Duke of Cornwall, 89 Lyham Road (converted to flats)
Royal Oak, 2 Lyham Road (under threat of demolition?)
and I'm sure Lyham Road has lost at least one other one.
The Two Woodcocks did reopen after a prolonged close down in 2003, didn't it :confused:
Donna Ferentes
06-12-2005, 13:47
The Two Woodlice? Yes, I believe so.
One local boozer I had no intention of patronising.
Minnie_the_Minx
06-12-2005, 13:52
It's the King of SARDINES :mad:
Minnie_the_Minx
06-12-2005, 13:53
and I'm sure Lyham Road has lost at least one other one.
The Two Woodcocks did reopen after a prolonged close down in 2003, didn't it :confused:
were you thinking of the Waggon and Horses?
Brixton Hatter
06-12-2005, 13:57
Other boozers have been closed and re-opened with a makeover so complete that they pretty much qualify as new "pubs" (I use the term 'pub' loosely) including The Queen, Ferndale Road; The Commercial in Herne Hill; the Brockwell Park Tavern (now 'Ganleys')...etc
Also, what was the name of the pub on Coldharbour Lane that is now 'Living' (sic)...I can't for the life of me remember it...it was only about 5 years ago it shut, no?
christonabike
06-12-2005, 13:57
Coach and Horses
Brixton Hatter
06-12-2005, 13:57
my question answered already (see above)!
lang rabbie
06-12-2005, 14:08
were you thinking of the Waggon and Horses?
Has that gone too! :eek: I was thinking there was another building that had been converted years ago. I'm trying to remember the order of them down the hill. ls the Waggon & Horses on the Acre Lane side and the Red Lion on the Brixton Hill side.
About ten years ago, a group of us once managed to pub-crawl all the way down New Park Road and Lyham Road. I remember one place where the landlord was the spitting image of Al Murray, right down to his attitude to a female member of our party drinking pints!
Coach and HorsesOn Acre Lane? That's still open.
Dubversion
06-12-2005, 14:11
The Albert was closed when i went past this morning. But then it was still early
dogmatique
06-12-2005, 14:12
Harriers - Herne Hill Rd - Demolished.
aurora green
06-12-2005, 14:13
Lord Stanley, 31 Hinton Road (demolished???)
Yep and then there's the Harriers (?), also demolished a few years ago, left with a gigantic hole in the ground to this day.
The Wickwood tavern, Flaxman rd., 'luxury' flats,
The White Heart, Loughborough Rd, also now flats.
Minnie_the_Minx
06-12-2005, 14:14
Has that gone too! :eek: I was thinking there was another building that had been converted years ago. I'm trying to remember the order of them down the hill. ls the Waggon & Horses on the Acre Lane side and the Red Lion on the Brixton Hill side.
About ten years ago, a group of us once managed to pub-crawl all the way down New Park Road and Lyham Road. I remember one place where the landlord was the spitting image of Al Murray, right down to his attitude to a female member of our party drinking pints!
Red Lion (screws pub!) is Brixton Hill side. Waggon and Horses is further up on the other side. No, I don't think it is shut as I found a website that mentioned it, but it was shut for a long while. There was another one near it that might be shut but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called
lang rabbie
06-12-2005, 17:05
It doesn't look like the Waggon and Horses IS closed. I know it was for absolutely ages but I've just found it here
http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/info_pubbar_5600.html
I'm not sure how accurate that site is - a lot of stuff seems out of date, and as for this...
Description: The Waggon & Horses is a lovely old pub in the heart of Streatham Hill.
I thought the estate agents described that bit of Lyham Road as Clapham Park:D
the springfield on solon road
and there was a pub on the road opposite, south of acre lane...been converted into flats, but it's obviously still a pub building.
Donna Ferentes
06-12-2005, 17:15
There's a book somebody self-published many years ago in Oxford which listed every single pub he could trace that had ever existed in the city. Yes, seventeenth century taverns and all. That would be a model worth trying to emulate...
memespring
06-12-2005, 17:23
There's a book somebody self-published many years ago in Oxford which listed every single pub he could trace that had ever existed in the city. Yes, seventeenth century taverns and all. That would be a model worth trying to emulate...
You could map them too, simular to this: http://www.yourhistoryhere.com/
IntoStella
06-12-2005, 17:43
the springfield on solon road
and there was a pub on the road opposite, south of acre lane...been converted into flats, but it's obviously still a pub building.
Duke of Wellington?
That is actually on Acre Lane so probably not what you meant.
<editor pumps up tyres ready for lengthy spin around brixton>
IntoStella
06-12-2005, 17:45
Coast Bar up the LJ bit of CHL has gone, hasn't it?
And that pub in Herne Hill Road - the Harriers?
Duke of Wellington?
That is actually on Acre Lane so probably not what you meant.
hang on, let me look at a map.
i think it was on the corner of branksome and hayter road. you'll know it when you see it, editor, as it's the building that looks like a converted pub.
the springy was on the corner of solon road and kepler road.
there's a couple on lyham road too. the one that's been converted into a restaurant with a white frontage. the other that's opposite crescent lane that's being turned into flats. there's also the pub towards the new park road end of lyham road around the corner from sonik's old flat that says it's opening with a gallery upstairs. hasn't been open for months to my knowledge.
no idea of the names of these, sorry.
sadly, you might be able to add the queen to your list quite soon.
Dubversion
06-12-2005, 18:17
sadly, you might be able to add the queen to your list quite soon.
is it doing that badly? :(
lang rabbie
06-12-2005, 18:22
By a process of elimination, it seems that The Red Lion (formerly "the screw's pub" at 191 Lyham Road) has been turned into a Caribbean restaurant "The 1" while I wasn't looking!
http://www.mylambeth.co.uk/brixton/restaurants-review-the1.htm
Tricky Mickey
06-12-2005, 18:34
Hamilton Arms
I now live six thousand miles away from that boozer, and it still guts me that it's closed. Such a fucking shame. Have they thrown some shite flats up yet? And where do the regulars, like LKJ and that bloke who drank a vase of snakebite-and-black drink now?
is it doing that badly? :(
someone posted on here a while back that it might all be converted into flats. not entirely sure how true that is, but then let's face it the queen as we knew it is long gone anyway.
could the bagelodeon fit into this? on landor road, so clapham more than brixton, and wasn't so much an old boozer as a shop/cafe that did sneaky after hours drinkups. might be a nice touch.
corporate whore
06-12-2005, 18:57
Have they thrown some shite flats up yet? And where do the regulars, like LKJ and that bloke who drank a vase of snakebite-and-black drink now?
Nah, it's another fucking mini-mart.. :(
Snakebite man drinks in the Hob..
Was there a pub on Mayall Road pre-1981? Maybe in the bit that's now Bob Marley Way?
gaijingirl
06-12-2005, 20:32
Loughborough Hotel... :(
The Mucky Duck is still very much closed.. bricked up with it's NO WAR graffiti on the windows... never understood why that closed.. was it drugs related? :confused:
The Two Woodcocks is still very much up and running and doing quite nicely by the looks of it.
The Springfield is also all bricked up... :(
Minnie_the_Minx
07-12-2005, 10:25
By a process of elimination, it seems that The Red Lion (formerly "the screw's pub" at 191 Lyham Road) has been turned into a Caribbean restaurant "The 1" while I wasn't looking!
http://www.mylambeth.co.uk/brixton/restaurants-review-the1.htm
Really? Wonder where all the screws drink now (apart from their own bar)
Nah, it's another fucking mini-mart.. :(
Snakebite man drinks in the Hob..
Was there a pub on Mayall Road pre-1981? Maybe in the bit that's now Bob Marley Way?
Yes. It got burnt down in the riots.
Was it The Windsor Castle?
Coast Bar up the LJ bit of CHL has gone, hasn't it?
And that pub in Herne Hill Road - the Harriers?
The Coast Bar, last time I walked past it, is now a Thai (or some other sort of oriental) restaurant, I think.
Giles..
the springfield on solon road
and there was a pub on the road opposite, south of acre lane...been converted into flats, but it's obviously still a pub building.
Former Branksome Arms in......Branksome Road
Just out of Brixton, the splendidly monikered Perseverence Arms on Nelson Row (in William Bonny estate off Clapham High Street).
The name was a reference to a ship, not the application of the regulars to their supping.
Now flats.
Donna Ferentes
07-12-2005, 13:32
There's a "Perseverance Works" in Hackney.
Eeek! This is turning into another monster project.
Here's the list so far. If anyone's got full addresses and amy more info it would be appreciated!
Brixton Road
The pub that is now a building society opp the job centre (Black Horse?)
Russell Hotel
Loughborough Junc:
Coast Bar
Mucky Duck
Green Man
Warrior
Brixton
The Loughborough Park Tavern (corner of Coldharbour lane and Gresham Road where Barrier Block is)
Bradys Atlantic Road
Lord Stanley, 31 Hinton Road (demolished???)
Russell Hotel, 116 Brixton Road
Warrior, 242 Coldharbour Lane
Duke of Cornwall, 89 Lyham Road (converted to flats)
Royal Oak, 2 Lyham Road (under threat of demolition?)
The Wickwood tavern, Flaxman rd., 'luxury' flats,
The White Heart, Loughborough Rd, also now flats.
The Red Lion (formerly "the screw's pub" at 191 Lyham Road
the springfield on corner of solon road and kepler road.
two on lyham road
King of Sardinia
That pub at the top of Acre Lane
Branksome Arms, Branksome Road
Hammelton, corner of Akerman and Arthur Rd
Pub on corner of Sussex Rd/Loughborough Park Rd (back of Moorlands estate)
Atlantic Rd area
Windsor castle
Hamilton Arms
Bradys
Harriers - Herne Hill Rd
Plough, Stockwell
aurora green
07-12-2005, 14:09
Blimey, that's so many.
Minnie_the_Minx
07-12-2005, 14:50
Blimey, that's so many.
Too bloody right :mad:
Andy the Don
07-12-2005, 20:00
About ten years ago, a group of us once managed to pub-crawl all the way down New Park Road and Lyham Road. I remember one place where the landlord was the spitting image of Al Murray, right down to his attitude to a female member of our party drinking pints!
It wasn't an Irish chap in the Sultan..??
I think there was a pub on Railton Road as well that got demolished after the riots.
I think there was a pub on Railton Road as well that got demolished after the riots.The Windsor Castle in Leeson Road was set on fire and completely destroyed and The George (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/railton.html) public house in Railton Road was firebombed. It's now rebuilt as Mingles/Harmony.
Brixton riot (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/riot1.html)
Minnie_the_Minx
08-12-2005, 12:30
It wasn't an Irish chap in the Sultan..??
He's a right miserable git he is
Pub on the North side of Acre Lane opposite the Hope & Anchor - I believe that it shut a couple of years ago after one too many firearms incidents.
Or has that been mentioned already?
Does Isobar count? (had a brief life betwen Coach & Horses and Living / Linving room
Does Isobar count? (had a brief life betwen Coach & Horses and Living / Linving roomNah. I'm after pubs that are completely closed.
Isobar was, well, odd, wasn't it? All that cod-Arabic sitting down business in the back. Bit of a shock after the no-frills 1970s-ness of the Coach and Horses.
lang rabbie
08-12-2005, 14:18
It wasn't an Irish chap in the Sultan..??
My memory's failing me. I do remember when the Sultan was a proper Irish pub, with at least two different stouts on tap (Guinness and Beamish), and am I imagining they sometimes had Murphy's as well.
Just been pedalling around Brixton taking snaps. What's happening at the Loughborough Hotel? The pub's still open, but there's work going on over the rest of the building.
Is it - as I fear and suspect - being turned into Yupp 'urban-living' flats?
lang rabbie
08-12-2005, 16:27
Just been pedalling around Brixton taking snaps. What's happening at the Loughborough Hotel? The pub's still open, but there's work going on over the rest of the building.
Is it - as I fear and suspect - being turned into Yupp 'urban-living' flats?
We had a previous thread on this - no one spotted the planning notices in time.
Conversion of first, second, third floors and part ground floor and basement into nine self-contained flats, along with associated external alterations; retention of part of ground floor bar and cellar as a public house (Use Class A3).
I think only the front bar gets saved and both of the back function rooms go.
OK, I've been pedalling around Brixton in the freezing cold today and made a start on the 'Lost Pubs' section: http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/lost-pubs.html
Lots more to come!
Input, background, anecdotes etc gratefully received!
Pub on the North side of Acre Lane opposite the Hope & Anchor - I believe that it shut a couple of years ago after one too many firearms incidents.
Duke of Wellington?
gaijingirl
09-12-2005, 17:39
Duke of Wellington?
I used to live right next to that. They kept having people shooting their guns in there... so they closed it down. My ex-landlord once had to mop up someone who had been knived in there too... :(
Been working hard at this and have now added the Branksome and Black Horse to the main page here: http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/lost-pubs.html and a separate page for the Mucky Duck: http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/the-crown.html
Most of the research I could find came from these very boards (!) but I could use more help checking the details. Shame hatboy's no longer here really as he was great for this kind of stuff (but... etc etc)
Coming up next: the Green Man and the Warrior!
Gresham Arms, just north of Gresham Road, off Wiltshire Road. Closed about 10 years ago. Converted to flats I think.
Cheers for that - I'd never heard of it but I'll add it to my list now!
I've now added a work-in-progress page on the Green Man, Loughborough Junction:
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/green-man.html
It's kind of depressing to discover that there's so little information online about these once-vital community pubs - most of the background stuff is coming off these boards!
As ever comments and feedback welcomed!
potential
10-12-2005, 21:03
the bonn-bonne norwood road ?
does that count.
Just added a photo of the Duke of Wellington (Acre Lane) to the Lost Pubs section:
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/lost-pubs.html
Anyone know exactly when it closed?
Seeing as I've already got a ton of historic research/photos already up on the site, I'm going to expand the section into 'Lost Brixton' and include lost theatres, gigs etc too...
potential: I've not heard of the bonn-bonne in Norwood road, but I'm looking for boozers in/very close to Brixton.
memespring
11-12-2005, 23:57
Only a suggestion, but can't you start nailing up some plaques?
http://www.memedev.com/blue.jpg
Just added a photo of the Duke of Wellington (Acre Lane) to the Lost Pubs section:
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/lost-pubs.html
Anyone know exactly when it closed?
July 2003. See here (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200southlondonheadlines/tm_objectid=13295292%26method=full%26siteid=50100-name_page.html)
Edit to add: I don't think there were many locals who mourned the closing of the Wellington, other than in the sense of a nice building being underused. The Hope across the road is rarely full and the Wellington had become a magnate for wannabe gangsters from all over the place, with a penchant for shootings in the street.Gang warfare trio banged up (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0500lewisham/tm_objectid=11744760%26method=full%26siteid=50100-name_page.html);Armed thugs are caged (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200southlondonheadlines/tm_objectid=13104509%26method=full%26siteid=50100-name_page.html)
The closure of the Wellington was actually discussed on these boards, with the usual positions adopted.
July 2003. See here (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200southlondonheadlines/tm_objectid=13295292%26method=full%26siteid=50100-name_page.html)
Cheers - I forgot about that!
So much for the "expected to re-open soon" bit in that report....
memespring
12-12-2005, 00:18
Nice one!
:)
Where can we get plaques made/printed?
Where can we get plaques made/printed?I think I need to finish the section first!!
I'm going to keep on adding/photographing all the closed pubs I can find and then redesign the section to be called, LOST BRIXTON, adding features on the Empress, Brixton Theatre etc.
Minnie_the_Minx
12-12-2005, 10:52
Just added a photo of the Duke of Wellington (Acre Lane) to the Lost Pubs section:
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/lost-pubs.html
Anyone know exactly when it closed?
Seeing as I've already got a ton of historic research/photos already up on the site, I'm going to expand the section into 'Lost Brixton' and include lost theatres, gigs etc too...
potential: I've not heard of the bonn-bonne in Norwood road, but I'm looking for boozers in/very close to Brixton.
Think it may be the other side of Brocky towards the Half Moon? (Could be thinking of somewhere else)
lang rabbie
12-12-2005, 11:15
Think it may be the other side of Brocky towards the Half Moon? (Could be thinking of somewhere else)
Bon Bonne Night Club - 119-121 Norwood Road, Herne Hill - housed in the strangely genteel surroundings of a stuccoed pair of former villas at the corner with Rosendale Road.
Change or use from Nightclub (Class D2) to residential (Class C3) involving the partial demolition of the interior and exterior of the existing buildings and the erection of extensions to create three storey flank buildings toward rear (including the Rosendale Road elevation) with new rear wall to existing listed building creating a courtyard area to rear of site, excavation in basement to increase floor to ceiling height, excavation of lightwells, conversion of existing coach house to residential use and associated interior and exterior works to create 20 self contained reidential units, together with associated alterations, landscaping and nine on site parking spaces.
It was there for thirty years. Officially a night club, rather than a pub, but a popular drinking location for some Brixtonians.
Minnie_the_Minx
12-12-2005, 11:22
Bon Bonne Night Club - 119-121 Norwood Road, Herne Hill
It was there for thirty years. Officially a night club, rather than a pub, but a popular drinking location for some Brixtonians.
Yeah, I went there a few times - but that was in the late 1980s
Cheers for that - I'd never heard of it but I'll add it to my list now!
I've now added a work-in-progress page on the Green Man, Loughborough Junction:
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/green-man.html
It's kind of depressing to discover that there's so little information online about these once-vital community pubs - most of the background stuff is coming off these boards!
As ever comments and feedback welcomed!
It's the same developer bought both the Green Man and the Junction / Warrior, isn't it?
I think that the plan is for the Junction to still be a pub eventually, but the ground floor of the Green Man is going to be some other commercial use. Shop maybe, or restaurant?
Giles..
I'm slowly getting these new sections together, but it's a ton of work!
Lost pubs of Brixton (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/lost-pubs.html)
Lost Theatres/Cinemas of Brixton (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/theatres.html)
Opinions, feedback, additions welcomed!
treefrog
15-01-2006, 21:55
nice one ed! :cool:
Orang Utan
15-01-2006, 21:55
Interesting - now I know why the Courts in Brighton Terrace/Trinity Gardens are all named after old music hall stars - they must have played at the Empress.
Thanks for that ed!
Just added new pages to the Lost Cinema section:
The Grand/Pullman (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/grand.html), Railton Road, Herne Hill and the Regal/ Granada (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/regal.html), Kennington Road....
Also, I've added a long-overdue page on the Hamilton Arms (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/hamilton.html)
memespring
16-01-2006, 07:56
Just added new pages to the Lost Cinema section:
The Grand/Pullman (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/grand.html), Railton Road, Herne Hill and the Regal/ Granada (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/regal.html), Kennington Road....
Also, I've added a long-overdue page on the Hamilton Arms (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/hamilton.html)
Still think you should go for the blue plaques ;)
Gaaahhhh you should be The Mayor of Brixton or maybe a blue plaque of your own :eek:
Will look now :)
supercity
16-01-2006, 08:59
This info gleaned from darkscreens.co.uk about the old camping shop/cinema now restaurant on Brixton Hill
"101 Brixton Hill, Brixton Borough Lambeth
Date: Opened 1911 (as the Brixton Cinematograph Theatre), then Scala, closed 1957. In 1954, as the Clifton, the proprietors are shown as Clifton cinema (Brixton Hill) Ltd, 6 Corporation Street, Birmingham. 998 seats, continuous shows from 1.30pm, Sunday at 4.30pm. Prices 1s 6d to 2s 8d.
.
Also called New Royalty
Part of the Pyke Circuit"
Can't see how they got nearly 1,000 people in there! There is a photo in a book of old cinemas of people queueing to see one of the last shows in the 1950s here, but I've forgotten the name of the book.
Can't see how they got nearly 1,000 people in there! There is a photo in a book of old cinemas of people queueing to see one of the last shows in the 1950s here, but I've forgotten the name of the book.It used to open out to a big hall at the back which has since been demolished.
It's much the same for Brixton Theatre, which had a tiny entrance where the Ritzy cafe is now.
Minnie_the_Minx
16-01-2006, 11:09
Did anyone find out if the Waggon and Horses on Lyham Road is still shut?
Minnie_the_Minx
16-01-2006, 11:10
Editor
Don't know whether you've seen this:
1881 Census of Inns and Public Houses (http://members.tripod.com/~DickensFellowshipCD/gen1881pubs.htm)
Editor
Don't know whether you've seen this:
Yeah, I've been through that document several times! Shame there's not more detail (like when the pub opened, name changes etc)
In case anyone was wondering what was for sale at Brixton Theatre's bars before the war, here you go!
Carlsberg Pilsner, Jenner's Golden Ale, Charrington 'Toby' Ale and Whiteways Cyders, along with Clayton's 'pure fruit squashes and mineral waters.
William of Walworth
16-01-2006, 14:51
Fascinating stuff :cool:
The page about the Black Horse (Brixton Road, now used by the Halifax) is mistakenly titled 'The Green Man' once you open the page ...
EastEnder
16-01-2006, 14:55
It's amazing the difference between the appearance of the Palladium Cinema and it's now incarnation, the Fridge - i.e. it's crap now.
I bet if the original facade had been retained it'd be listed by now.
Just added new pages to the Lost Cinema section:
The Grand/Pullman (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/grand.html), Railton Road, Herne Hill and the Regal/ Granada (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/regal.html), Kennington Road....
Also, I've added a long-overdue page on the Hamilton Arms (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/hamilton.html)
The Regal/Grenada was a bingo hall when I first lived in Kennington in the mid 1990s, then had a brief incarnation as an evangelical church (causing serious noise pollution to its sheltered housing residents) then closed. The flats are almost finished now - to be fair to the council/planning people they've kept the character of the outside of the building pretty much the same as it always was. And they've done lots of nice photos of the inside - the building manager seems to be a bit of an architecture buff.
lang rabbie
16-01-2006, 17:09
See this link (http://www.merciacinema.org.uk/gallery1004.htm) for pictures of the demolition of the interior of the Granada (aka Regal) at Kennington (which I think were taken by the site manager mentioned by Bob)
See this link (http://www.merciacinema.org.uk/gallery1004.htm) for pictures of the demolition of the interior of the Granada (aka Regal) at Kennington <ahem) I'd already linked to that page!
I did find a 1960s pic of the cinema earlier today though.
lang rabbie
16-01-2006, 18:08
<ahem) I'd already linked to that page!
Ah, but I reckon you'd never have found it if I hadn't posted a link to it from another forum a year ago (http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read.php?1,29556,29635,report=1) (with even more Google-cred than this one :p) and massively increased the ranking of that Mercia page!
BTW - I found these artist's impressions (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rideonrailways/Kennington/page18.html) of the new flats
DJWrongspeed
16-01-2006, 19:34
See this link (http://www.merciacinema.org.uk/gallery1004.htm) for pictures of the demolition of the interior of the Granada (aka Regal) at Kennington (which I think were taken by the site manager mentioned by Bob)
interesting to see the inside of that space again. I had a fairly life changing late night moment in there. Let's just say it involved the infamous 'Underground Sound.' :cool:
interesting to see the inside of that space again. I had a fairly life changing late night moment in there. Let's just say it involved the infamous 'Underground Sound.' :cool:
Fancy writing about it for my article?
BTW I think there's no point being grouchy about them being yuppie flats - Kennington these days simply had no chance of sustaining anything like a big venue - I can't quite work out why though given the vast amounts of clubbing etc. in Vauxhall. I suppose it's simply cheaper and less hassle with neighbours to put your club in a railway arch - and there are shedloads of those at Vauxhall.
Kennington's quite a sad area in a way - one of the lovely old IMHO pubs 'The John Bull' closed there a few years ago and it seems that the poorer bits of the community these days can barely sustain any pubs (about five pubs for the west side of Kennington where around five thousand people live), while the richer people just want restaurants. So all the in between bits have died - virtually all the grocers etc. have gone. :(
I notice the artists impression has a white pavement outside the block... :D
BTW I think there's no point being grouchy about them being yuppie flatsI can be grouchy if I like!
A minor update: http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/lost-cinemas.html
It just keeps on growing!
Lost Cafes (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/lost-cafes.html)
Lost Squats (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/lost-squats.html)
Loads more to add...
And now Lost shops and stores! (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/lost-shops.html)
I think I'd better stop now!
PS What did Pangaea used to be called?
I can be grouchy if I like!
:)
(Tickles the editor gently to make him smile) :D
Just updated the Lost Brixton shops (http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/lost-shops.html) section with an interesting account about Gresham Spares shop being trashed in the riot and a tribute to the tigress of the PO, Mrs Roy.
(scroll to bottom of page)
Minnie_the_Minx
12-03-2008, 08:55
Are the Chestnut and Hop Poles in Tulse Hill here?
What about The Clockhouse in Acre Lane?
lunatrick
12-03-2008, 09:13
bit of long shot this - but does anybody remember a squatted house in sudbourne road? I stayed there for a while in 1988...and I often wondered how long the main tenants stayed.....they were a couple - the woman was aussie and they had one of those gpo vans (I think)
Tricky Skills
12-03-2008, 09:15
Kelly's along Clapham Road (formally Dorset Arms) looks like it has pulled its last pint (http://onionbagblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/last-orders-wednesday-20-february-2008.html). Sad to see another local boozer go, but in its most recent crappy karaoke form, I can't say I'll miss it.
The asking price is £1,300,000. Fancy a whip round? Looks like it will go the way of 'property investment.' :hmm:
Straying slightly, but has anyone seen the wonderful art installation (don't laugh) that has transformed the derelict William the IV along Albany Road in Walworth? Haven't got any pictures yet, but it's been camouflaged with a huge taupalin and painted green to blend in with Burgess Park. Local schools were involved as part of an art project. Not sure what the future is for the old place, but it was looking a sorry state before as crack den central.
Kelly's along Clapham Road (formally Dorset Arms) looks like it has pulled its last pint (http://onionbagblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/last-orders-wednesday-20-february-2008.html). Sad to see another local boozer go, but in its most recent crappy karaoke form, I can't say I'll miss it.
The asking price is £1,300,000. Fancy a whip round? Looks like it will go the way of 'property investment.' :hmm:
Straying slightly, but has anyone seen the wonderful art installation (don't laugh) that has transformed the derelict William the IV along Albany Road in Walworth? Haven't got any pictures yet, but it's been camouflaged with a huge taupalin and painted green to blend in with Burgess Park. Local schools were involved as part of an art project. Not sure what the future is for the old place, but it was looking a sorry state before as crack den central.
That leaves very few pubs indeed in the Stockwell / Brixton Road area. There are close to none now between South Lambeth road and Brixton road aren't there?
knatchbull
12-03-2008, 14:49
That leaves very few pubs indeed in the Stockwell / Brixton Road area. There are close to none now between South Lambeth road and Brixton road aren't there?
There are one or two around Albert Square - the Canton Arms on South Lambeth Road, Royal Albert on St Stephens Terrace, also two towards Oval tube: Roebuck on Ashmole Street and Fentiman Arms on Fentiman Road plus of course the ones near Oval tube station. A mixture of done up made trendy establishments and more traditional pubs. I used to live on Fentiman Road so have happy memories of all...
Kelly's along Clapham Road (formally Dorset Arms) looks like it has pulled its last pint (http://onionbagblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/last-orders-wednesday-20-february-2008.html). Sad to see another local boozer go, but in its most recent crappy karaoke form, I can't say I'll miss it.
The asking price is £1,300,000. Fancy a whip round? Looks like it will go the way of 'property investment.' :hmm:
Straying slightly, but has anyone seen the wonderful art installation (don't laugh) that has transformed the derelict William the IV along Albany Road in Walworth? Haven't got any pictures yet, but it's been camouflaged with a huge taupalin and painted green to blend in with Burgess Park. Local schools were involved as part of an art project. Not sure what the future is for the old place, but it was looking a sorry state before as crack den central.
Fuckin hell we only wen tin there before Christmas! Don't go towards the stockwell end of Oval much but that's sad :(
I'd been wondering about the William IV actually, go down Albany Road quite a bit. Has the council said what it'll be turned into?
PS What did Pangaea used to be called?
Taco Joe's?
the stockwell end of Oval
The Oval end of Stockwell!!!
Tricky Skills
12-03-2008, 17:04
Yeah, there's nothing now between the Memorial Gardens and The Oval tube. There's a few Porto bars along Lansdowne Way, but they're more cafes than boozers.
The Royal Albert has lost it in my opinion over the past couple of years. There was a decent garden, but that's now overgrowing with weeds. The Fentiman Arms is alright if you go in with your copy of The Guardian and expect a meal rather than just a drink. The Canton is fine, although business has looked bleak in recent months.
The two boozers towards around The Oval tube seem to have more people smoking outside then people socialising in the pub.
I can't say I'll mourn Kelly's. It was crap. But I'd rather see a boozer than more over-priced housing. I think it will be interesting to see how this stretch of Clapham Road changes in the next 18 months. The conversion of the Freeman's flats (http://www.claphamroadsw9.com/) is already underway.
The Oval end of Stockwell!!!
Strockwell end of Kennington then :p:D
The Royal Albert has lost it in my opinion over the past couple of years. There was a decent garden, but that's now overgrowing with weeds..
Yeh, was my local for years and it has its ups and downs, but at the moment is VERY down.
knatchbull
12-03-2008, 17:44
Yeh, was my local for years and it has its ups and downs, but at the moment is VERY down.
I think they destroyed a fundamentally good pub when they converted/ built the flats on top.
The garden used to be the best thing about the place in summer
I have happy memories of the late nights they used to run (in about 2005 or so) until 1am on Fridays when they would start handing round small glasses of random cocktails. Always a pleasure at the time but a source of regret in the morning!
Tricky Skills
12-03-2008, 18:20
Remember the beach volleyball from around that period? Sounded wanky, but it actually worked rather well. The only sport you see in there now is wall-to-wall football. Which although I like, it's not as if you can't watch Bolton away in the UEFA Cup anywhere else. It's not a local anymore.
Really sad about the Royal Albert, for years it was the best pub in Stockwell by a mile and nicely tucked away so a bit of a find. It had been pretty up and down for a while I think, but selling off the old pool room for flats and the stupid 'posh', New York cocktail bar style conversion job that was all done about 3 years ago really screwed it imo.
Does anyone go back to the early 90s with the Albert? Days of Fergie & Trish (the glaswegian couple)? Or even earlier, mad Shirley - when the pub still had two bars, public bar off to the right when you came in (which was why there was the gents loo off that way), lounge bar to the left. Watching Shirley - a tad overweight I think anyone would admit - tottering down Bolney Street on a pair of towering stilettos yelling "you're fucking barred!" at a retreating barred punter and hurling a plastic ashtray after the said barred punter is one of my first memories of that pub.
She ended up working at the Canterbury - I saw her there a couple of years later.
William of Walworth
13-03-2008, 08:35
Straying slightly, but has anyone seen the wonderful art installation (don't laugh) that has transformed the derelict William the IV along Albany Road in Walworth? Haven't got any pictures yet, but it's been camouflaged with a huge taupalin and painted green to blend in with Burgess Park. Local schools were involved as part of an art project. Not sure what the future is for the old place, but it was looking a sorry state before as crack den central.
Please post your pix! I've got some myself, but they're not online ... :o
It's well worth a look that one people, really impressive. Still standing as Public Art for now ... :)
I reckon it's the cost of a fucking pint that has damaged a lot of these places.
So much cheaper to drink at home. Or in a park. :(
I reckon it's the cost of a fucking pint that has damaged a lot of these places.
So much cheaper to drink at home. Or in a park. :(
Totally agree. I saw proper Becks in bottles at (I think, from memory) about 38p each advertised the other day. Admittedly that was by the case, but that's way cheap - not sure about my conversions but well under a pound a pint. And that's for a good quality lager that isn't full of whatever shite they put in the ghastly stuff on draft in pubs. Almost the same bottles are ? £3 in a pub or even a cheaper club, that's 7 or 8 times more expensive ....ridiculous.
I reckon it's the cost of a fucking pint that has damaged a lot of these places.
So much cheaper to drink at home. Or in a park. :(
Mation ordered one of those Copperburg's (sp?) the other night in the dog house, it was £3.60 :eek::(
So much cheaper to drink at home. Or in a park. :(
Can you drink in the parks anymore?
It varies. I do though. :)
It varies. I do though. :)
on a bench with a can of special brew and some new found friends? :p
William of Walworth
13-03-2008, 13:06
Well it's all about to go up by at least** 4p a pint from Sunday or Monday ... :(
**To say the least -- breweries and pubcos will add their 'budget excuse' cut :mad:
Top tip for cheapest in-pub drinking :
1. Avoid poncy 'bars'
2 Go for ale-friendly pubs -- bitter, ale, proper beer etc. is cheaper than Guinness, cider, skanky chemical industrial production line 'lager' , etc. Not just my CMAR head saying this, it's empirically true -- usually.
Agree that London pubs are ever more pricey generally though ... :(
Minnie_the_Minx
10-04-2008, 14:03
After I was reminded of my abandoned project to snap closed pubs in Brixton, I'd be grateful if peeps could list any closed pubs in and around their Brixton 'hood (incl the full address) and I'll go around on my bike and snap them all for a "those we have loved and lost" ( © Donna) 'closed pub' section on the site.
These are the ones I've photographed so far:
Plough Stockwell (I know it's not quite Brixton, but it's close enough)
Hamilton Arms
King of Sardinia
That pub at the top of Acre Lane
The pub that is now a building society on Brixton Road opp the job centre
Green Man
Bradys
Junction
Mucky Duck Coldharbour La (has this opened?)
Your help please Brixton folks!
I've noticed you have the King of Sardines as being in Streatham Hill. It is off BRIXTON Hill
Brixton Hatter
10-04-2008, 14:04
I cycled from Brixton to Greenwich the other week, through Peckham and Deptford etc. I must have seen over 20 closed pubs on my journey.. :(
DJWrongspeed
10-04-2008, 18:10
It's the same developer bought both the Green Man and the Junction / Warrior, isn't it?
I think that the plan is for the Junction to still be a pub eventually, but the ground floor of the Green Man is going to be some other commercial use. Shop maybe, or restaurant?
Giles..
it's a joke coz they've been made residential properties no-one wants to take them on as any kinda bar/restaurant.
It's a nationwide problem. I'm lucky that my local the Elm Park is still going :)
In the Kennington / Camberwell section
- The Alderman - Stannary Street
- Prince of Denmark - Denmark Road
- Cheeky Chappy - Vassal Road
it's a joke coz they've been made residential properties no-one wants to take them on as any kinda bar/restaurant.
It's a nationwide problem. I'm lucky that my local the Elm Park is still going :)
I know. It really irritates me that councils allow planning permish for these schemes through.
There is a PPG about not losing pubs, so if someone bought a rundown old pub and actually applied to make it into flats, the council would be pretty much obliged to say "no". But: they can apply to make all of it except the ground floor into flats, and say they will keep the pub bit as a pub or restaurant or similar.
Then two years later, they've renovated, built and either sold/let the flats, and surprise, surprise, no-one wants to rent a "pub" with: no managers accommodation, no staff accommodation, no possibility for a late licence or live music / DJs because of people living right above it, etc.
Then they go back to the council and say "look we've been trying to rent this as a pub, but there are no takers, can we make it into a shop instead? Or even another flat? The council then say yes....
Its bollocks.
They've just started building work on a big old corner pub near me in Kilburn, and I hope the property crash f***s their economics.
I actually thought about buying the "Junction" although the building was, according to some friends who also seriously looked at it, falling to bits.
I wouldn't have turned it into flats.
Giles..
bluestreak
10-04-2008, 22:26
Quite a bump, and a depressing list.
Tricky Skills
17-04-2008, 13:01
The William IV on Albany Road has a future! :) Not as a boozer, but as a 'juice bar' for Yoof.
More over HERE (http://onionbagblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/chin-chin-wednesday-10-december-2008.html).
http://www.onionbagblog.com/170408/1.jpg
The pub on the corner of Lyham Road and Crescent Lane, opposite the old Duke Of Cornwall, is being torn down right now. That's fast work - I walked past it less than a fortnight ago, and it was still open for business.
The Royal Oak? That's a shame :(
That must mean the Prince of Wales is the only pub left on the street, iirc.
Waggon & Horses - appears to be in use as an artist's studio
Prince of Wales - still infested by old men :cool:
Royal Oak - being pulled down
Duke of Cornwall (flats, not so good akshully, we looked at a couple and they were incredibly poky)
Only one pub left out of (at least) 4.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/boohooroo/DSCF1338.jpg
The Lyham Road pub being demolished this morning - looks like it was a fairly old building?
Minnie_the_Minx
19-04-2008, 16:01
The Royal Oak? That's a shame :(
That must mean the Prince of Wales is the only pub left on the street, iirc.
Waggon & Horses - appears to be in use as an artist's studio
Prince of Wales - still infested by old men :cool:
Royal Oak - being pulled down
Duke of Cornwall (flats, not so good akshully, we looked at a couple and they were incredibly poky)
Only one pub left out of (at least) 4.
That's outrageous and so fucking sad :mad::(
So where's the next nearest pub for locals to drink in?
The Prince of Wales on Lyham Rd is still open as far as I know - other than that, the nearest would be Windmill / Hand in Hand / Sultan / Telegraph.
An eclectic selection ;)
The Lyham Road pub being demolished this morning - looks like it was a fairly old building?That's awful. Do you mind if I use that pic for the lost pubs of Brixton feature? Was the name of this boozer the Royal Oak?
Have just remembered that there was originally 5 pubs on the street - one was being used as a restaurant but then closed down. It's been posted about in the past, but I can't remember the name of the restaurant and I don't know the name of the original pub.
So of 5 pubs, only one remains :(
That's awful. Do you mind if I use that pic for the lost pubs of Brixton feature? Was the name of this boozer the Royal Oak?
I just checked, looks like it was indeed the Royal Oak
link with pic (http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/clubs_bars/venue-2290.php)
ETA you've already got the 5th on your lost pubs page - the Red Lion.
DJWrongspeed
20-04-2008, 11:58
It just seems to have closed suddenly and then the demolition crew arrived within a matter of weeks.
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 14:12
The Prince of Wales on Lyham Rd is still open as far as I know - other than that, the nearest would be Windmill / Hand in Hand / Sultan / Telegraph.
An eclectic selection ;)
I meant near near. There's a lot of old people who lost their drinking hole when the White Horse became yuppified. They didn't want to drink in The Windy as it was down a dark street, and The Hope was the nearest.
Soon elderly people will have nowhere left to drink because pubs will be either too far, or be music pubs or be full of yuppies
I've just been up there to take some photos. Expect them online soon!
ovaltina
20-04-2008, 14:13
I can't really get nostalgic about this one! I used to live very, very close to it and it was a dump of a place, with little plastic george cross flags hanging off the fascia. You'd get people staring at you as you walked past.
It was scary looking, and I never went inside. The pub across the road, which is now a block of flats, looks like it was a more interesting building.
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 14:17
I can't really get nostalgic about this one! I used to live very, very close to it and it was a dump of a place, with little plastic george cross flags hanging off the fascia. You'd get people staring at you as you walked past.
It was scary looking, and I never went inside. The pub across the road, which is now a block of flats, looks like it was a more interesting building.
Well lots of pubs are like that, especially "regulars" type of pubs. Just because you can't get nostalgic doesn't mean it's not a loss for someone. Would agree that most of the pubs up there were shitholes (especially the ones frequented by screws) but they're still someone's local which they may have been going to for decades
I have to say that the only pub still open on the road - The Prince of Wales, complete with large, permanent-looking St George flags outside - didn't look like the friendliest boozer I'd ever seen. I'm guessing that it's used by a lot of the security staff from the prison...
ovaltina
20-04-2008, 14:20
Well lots of pubs are like that, especially "regulars" type of pubs. Just because you can't get nostalgic doesn't mean it's not a loss for someone. Would agree that most of the pubs up there were shitholes (especially the ones frequented by screws) but they're still someone's local which they may have been going to for decades
Yeah I suppose... maybe I'm a snob...
I meant near near.
Well, the Prince of Wales is 2 minutes walk away (maybe 5 for someone with mobility problems)
Personally I'd class that and the Hand in Hand as being near near (certainly as near as I am to my nearest pub)
I have to say that the only pub still open on the road - The Prince of Wales, complete with large, permanent-looking St George flags outside - didn't look like the friendliest boozer I'd ever seen. I'm guessing that it's used by a lot of the security staff from the prison...
I went in there once with gaijingirl, han and PieEye (maybe a few other peeps as well, eme might even have been there)
Everyone else said they liked it but I thought it was a bit of an unfriendly hole.
Still, the regulars seemed to be having a whale of a time.
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 14:26
I have to say that the only pub still open on the road - The Prince of Wales, complete with large, permanent-looking St George flags outside - didn't look like the friendliest boozer I'd ever seen. I'm guessing that it's used by a lot of the security staff from the prison...
They used to use the Red Lion and they've got their own pub, but as the Red Lion's no longer there, then if they're drinking there, definitely not a pub I'd go in :D
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 14:29
Well, the Prince of Wales is 2 minutes walk away (maybe 5 for someone with mobility problems)
Personally I'd class that and the Hand in Hand as being near near (certainly as near as I am to my nearest pub)
well at least the Hand in Hand is a quieter pub, compared to The Sultan :D
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 14:31
Yeah I suppose... maybe I'm a snob...
*cough cough*
A lot of these "regular regular" pubs are suspicious of new people. They think they're cops ;)
Soon elderly people will have nowhere left to drink because pubs will be either too far, or be music pubs or be full of yuppies
I do agree that's tragic :(
It's hard to imagine how one street could ever have sustained 5 pubs though! I guess they weren't expected to really make much profit in those days - just make a living for their landlord.
It's a real mark of social change too, in that I guess lots of men would have spent a lot of their evenings in the pub (or at least a few hours before going home).
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 14:52
I do agree that's tragic :(
It's hard to imagine how one street could ever have sustained 5 pubs though! I guess they weren't expected to really make much profit in those days - just make a living for their landlord.
It's a real mark of social change too, in that I guess lots of men would have spent a lot of their evenings in the pub (or at least a few hours before going home).
I don't really know what they used to be like as I didn't drink in them myself, but no doubt it was a few regulars that kept most places heads above water - just about :D
I'm not sure where I'd go drinking now if my local were to close
That's awful. Do you mind if I use that pic for the lost pubs of Brixton feature? Was the name of this boozer the Royal Oak?
Happy for you to use the photo. I took it at about 11 in the morning so I'd be interested to see how much has been demolished since then!
i hate seeing nice old buildings with character demolished. Recent visits to Hackney have shocked me because there is so much new build going on around there (which tends to mean nice Victorian house come down and dull modern ones go up!)
Some photos:
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/royal-oak-brixton-01.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/royal-oak-brixton-02.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/royal-oak-brixton-10.jpg
More here: http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/royal-oak-sw2.html
I used to drink in the Hand and the Sultan when i lived in Kingswood Road about 15 years ago and they were both really dodgy, especially the Hand. But now the Hand is my local, it's a great pub and a great mix of people, a good mix of newish customers and locals and everyone seems to know each other and get on really well.. The Sultan can still be a bit lairy late on the weekends :)
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 15:06
I used to drink in the Hand and the Sultan when i lived in Kingswood Road about 15 years ago and they were both really dodgy, especially the Hand. But now the Hand is my local, it's a great pub and a great mix of people, a good mix of newish customers and locals and everyone seems to know each other and get on really well.. The Sultan can still be a bit lairy late on the weekends :)
How do you know they're not STILL dodgy, but you just don't notice it now because you've been accepted as a regular?
I'd love to know who tiled the Hand in Hand. Must be the best tiled pub loos I've ever seen in Brixton
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 15:20
Some photos:
More here: http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/royal-oak-sw2.html
Why didn't you do the rest of the closed pubs of Lyham Road while you were there? Just curious :confused:
I did, but give me time! Lumme.
How do you know they're not STILL dodgy, but you just don't notice it now because you've been accepted as a regular?
that's bollocks, you know :p
I know what a dodgy pub with a tinge of BNP-ness and nastiness feels like, and has nothing to do with being a regular or otherwise
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 15:31
I did, but give me time! Lumme.
Sorry. :o
I'll forgive you :D
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 15:37
that's bollocks, you know :p
I know what a dodgy pub with a tinge of BNP-ness and nastiness feels like, and has nothing to do with being a regular or otherwise
I'm not talking about BNP pubs. There's lots of other dodgy characters in pubs :D
But if you want to talk about BNP pubs, I can guarantee you that 20 years ago, the Elm Park was NOT the most welcoming pubs and definitely had a whiff of National Front to it.
Luckily things have changed for the better in there (barring the decor)
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 15:38
that's bollocks, you know :p
I know what a dodgy pub with a tinge of BNP-ness and nastiness feels like, and has nothing to do with being a regular or otherwise
Hand and Sultan are fine and we used to regularly drink in them, but as I don't get up that way much now....
The Waggon and Horses, Lyham Road:
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/waggon-and-horses-08.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/waggon-and-horses-02.jpg
More: http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/waggon-and-horses-sw2.html
Well i WAS talking about BNP pubs. Dodgy characters are fine :p
And the Elm Park - sure you don't mean longer ago than 20 years? I started drinking there about 1990 and was fine then..
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 15:40
Well i WAS talking about BNP pubs. Dodgy characters are fine :p
And the Elm Park - sure you don't mean longer ago than 20 years? I started drinking there about 1990 and was fine then..
Well 1990 is only 18 years :p
I moved into Elm Park in 1985. The back room where the loos are was definitely not a welcoming place to go, but I persevered. :D I like a challenge
Minnie_the_Minx
20-04-2008, 15:40
The Waggon and Horses, Lyham Road:
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/waggon-and-horses-08.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/waggon-and-horses-02.jpg
More: http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/waggon-and-horses-sw2.html
That was a bit of a rough pub :D
I've added some more pics of the DUKE OF WELLINGTON on Acre Lane. That's still boarded up after over two years. There's been some parties going on there though.
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/duke-of-wellington-02.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/duke-of-wellington-03.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/duke-of-wellington.html
My closed pubs page is growing at an alarming rate. Here's the Duke of Cornwall, 89, Lyham Rd:
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/duke-of-cornwall-01.jpg
I haven't managed to trace any archive photos yet.
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/duke-of-cornwall.html
Would I be right in assuming that the Red Lion was a small pub in a long row of houses?
lang rabbie
20-04-2008, 17:18
Would I be right in assuming that the Red Lion was a small pub in a long row of houses?
It looked even smaller as it had a single storey frontage with a vaguely 1930s look and the upper floor had the appearance of a slated attic.
I think in the conversion to flats the whole front is being rebuilt.
(Some very vague drawings on the planning website (http://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/dcapplication/application_detailview.aspx?KEYVAL=JNYBFBBO09S00&module=P3&hidereturn=true))
The Red Lion doesn't look like a typical pub building and the fascia was painted as a restaurant (lime green, called something like number 1).
(Some very vague drawings on the planning website (http://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/dcapplication/application_detailview.aspx?KEYVAL=JNYBFBBO09S00&module=P3&hidereturn=true))I couldn't find any drawings on that dreadful site, but here's how the pub looks today (if the road number was correct - this is number 191):
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/red-lion-01.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/red-lion-02.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/red-lion-lyham-road.html
If anyone's got any stories or memories about these lost boozers, post them up here and I'll add them to the features. It's really quite depressing how many are being lost.
If there was a 'at risk' list, I'd have to say that the Elm Park Tavern must be a candidate. I hope not though. It's a nice old school boozer.
I couldn't find any drawings on that dreadful site, but here's how the pub looks today (if the road number was correct - this is number 191):
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/red-lion-01.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/red-lion-02.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/red-lion-lyham-road.html
That's a horrible frontage - I was up that way last year and don't remember it looking like that...
That's a horrible frontage - I was up that way last year and don't remember it looking like that...I double checked because it looked unlikely but that's definitely number 191 and there was nothing else pub-like around.
That's not what it looked like - it was white and almost looked like weatherboarding. That brick frontage must be new :(
Minnie_the_Minx
21-04-2008, 10:10
That's not what it looked like - it was white and almost looked like weatherboarding. That brick frontage must be new :(
It was definitely a very tiny little pub and htat's definitely new frontage if that picture is it.
It looks like it's been completely rebuilt using old bricks.
I guess they needed to maximise the space and so got rid of its distinctive earlier appearance. Has anyone got any pics of these pubs when they were open?
40+ pubs are being closed in the UK every week due to the smoking ban :(
Minnie_the_Minx
21-04-2008, 10:21
Sorry, don't have any pictures as never frequented them.
However, I have discovered that The Red Lion was on the 1881 census, not that that's any help but it gives you an idea of how long it had been there
Minnie_the_Minx
21-04-2008, 10:24
and found this planning application which was obviously approved
Conversion of Public House (use Class A4) into 2 x 2 self contained flats and building up of front facade and re-configuration of front fenestration.
40+ pubs are being closed in the UK every week due to the smoking ban :(I think you'll find pubs were closing long before the smoking ban. In fact, most of the pubs featured here closed long before the ban was introduced.
Minnie_the_Minx
21-04-2008, 10:29
Have found some pictures on a pub website
Royal Oak
http://www.pubutopia.com/images/pubs/25675.jpg
Duke of Cornwall
http://www.pubutopia.com/images/pubs/3446.jpg
I think you'll find pubs were closing long before the smoking ban. In fact, most of the pubs featured here closed long before the ban was introduced.
I heard somebody senior at Guinness describe their long term decline in Ireland with roughly these words:
"Most men used to go down to the pub and drink 3 or 4 pints of Guinness, 4 or 5 nights a week. Now they're drinking one or two pints of Guinness once or twice a week'.
It strikes me that this long term decline in the amount that people drink at the pub (probably driven by the fact that far more people have non manual jobs than 50 years ago) and drinking less often (not least because fathers spend far more time with their kids than even 20 years ago) is probably driving this.
So, sad though these pubs closing is, I can't see anything stopping it.
It strikes me that this long term decline in the amount that people drink at the pub (probably driven by the fact that far more people have non manual jobs than 50 years ago) and drinking less often (not least because fathers spend far more time with their kids than even 20 years ago) is probably driving this.
It's also to do with the fact that people can now buy dirt cheap booze from supermarkets and they're spoilt for choice when it comes to alternative home entertainment.
In the old days, if you didn't like what was on the telly, you'd go to the pub. Now you can get plastered at home for bugger all and watch DVDs/play games/go on the Internet etc etc...
Although in many ways I'm sure pub culture has changed for the better (wouldn't have fancied the days when women couldn't go in), pub buildings, furniture (bars, mirrors &c) and culture is a massive part of English cultural heritage, which is why I don't feel good about irreversible changes being made. If a pub's converted to a bar or a shop, it can always go back again. If the fascia is knocked down and a house front built, it's gone forever (particularly sad for the Red Lion as the architecture looked to be a bit unusual).
Minnie_the_Minx
21-04-2008, 12:13
(wouldn't have fancied the days when women couldn't go in),
when was that then?
I think you'll find pubs were closing long before the smoking ban. In fact, most of the pubs featured here closed long before the ban was introduced.
Ah fair enough, I was just speaking to a local landlord as he was lugging his stuff into a van the other day to leave his pub as it wasnt making enough money and he blamed the smoking ban. Tbh his pub did seem much emptier after it though....
Have found some pictures on a pub website
Royal Oak
http://www.pubutopia.com/images/pubs/25675.jpg
That looks like a nice early to mid Victorian pub... :hmm:
The swift pulling down of the building makes me thing that the owners wanted to go unchallenged about pulling down a rather lovely structure.
Minnie_the_Minx
21-04-2008, 12:42
That looks like a nice early to mid Victorian pub... :hmm:
The swift pulling down of the building makes me thing that the owners wanted to go unchallenged about pulling down a rather lovely structure.
No idea how old that one is, but was definitely around during WWII.
As I mentioned earlier, I've seen the Red Lion listed in 1881 census
Although in many ways I'm sure pub culture has changed for the better (wouldn't have fancied the days when women couldn't go in), pub buildings, furniture (bars, mirrors &c) and culture is a massive part of English cultural heritage, which is why I don't feel good about irreversible changes being made. If a pub's converted to a bar or a shop, it can always go back again. If the fascia is knocked down and a house front built, it's gone forever (particularly sad for the Red Lion as the architecture looked to be a bit unusual).
Absolutely right on the heritage bit. A reasonable number of the rennovations going on around here seem to be keeping the original fittings but simply updating the overall look.
The problem really seems to be when the pub is simply stripped and converted into flats...
Minnie_the_Minx
21-04-2008, 14:03
Absolutely right on the heritage bit. A reasonable number of the rennovations going on around here seem to be keeping the original fittings but simply updating the overall look.
The problem really seems to be when the pub is simply stripped and converted into flats...
Like the Red Lion, which was probably the oldest pub in that street if it was in the 1881 census
when was that then?
I can think of pubs now where heads would turn if a couple of women went in without a man in tow!
Absolutely right on the heritage bit. A reasonable number of the rennovations going on around here seem to be keeping the original fittings but simply updating the overall look.
The problem really seems to be when the pub is simply stripped and converted into flats...
Yes - and although I know they can't all be preserved as pub museums (that would be so cool though), as previously said on this thread, the rate of conversion is incredibly fast paced - do you know if planning permission takes these considerations into account at all?
Minnie_the_Minx
21-04-2008, 14:07
I can think of pubs now where heads would turn if a couple of women went in without a man in tow!
It wouldn't stop me going in them
Here's another: The George, Railton Road. Harmony (ex Mingles) now stands on the site.
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/george-railton-road-02.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/george-railton-road.html
Minnie_the_Minx
23-04-2008, 00:28
Here's another: The George, Railton Road. Harmony (ex Mingles) now stands on the site.
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/images/george-railton-road-02.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/george-railton-road.html
Funnily enough, I heard a story about that the other day. Apparently it was the last pub in Brixton to allow blacks to drink there. Don't know how true that is though
looks like it was a beautiful pub, what a great photo.
*Note: two threads merged.
And another one - the Windsor Castle which bit the dust during the 1981 riots.
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/images/riot1.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/windsor-castle.html
Considering how big a part pubs played in their local communities, it's strange how little there recorded information is available on the web (and I guess most of the people who used these pubs are unlikely to be busy archiving their photos and memories on websites).
Minnie_the_Minx
23-04-2008, 14:04
And another one - the Windsor Castle which bit the dust during the 1981 riots.
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/history/images/riot1.jpg
http://www.urban75.org/brixton/bars/windsor-castle.html
Considering how big a part pubs played in their local communities, it's strange how little there recorded information is available on the web (and I guess most of the people who used these pubs are unlikely to be busy archiving their photos and memories on websites).
Well photography cost a lot more in days of old so people tended to take pictures of holidays, families etc. not pubs :D
Well photography cost a lot more in days of old so people tended to take pictures of holidays, families etc. not pubs :DI'm not so sure - pubs were a social hub with people celebrating births, birthdays, marriages - and having wakes - in pubs.
I've got quite a few photos taken in pubs from when I was a kid.
Minnie_the_Minx
23-04-2008, 14:20
I'm not so sure - pubs were a social hub with people celebrating births, birthdays, marriages - and having wakes - in pubs.
I've got quite a few photos taken in pubs from when I was a kid.
Very true, but then there's likely to be more pictures of people INSIDE pubs.
Anyway, what were you doing in pubs when you were a kid? :hmm:
Very true, but then there's likely to be more pictures of people INSIDE pubs.I've been looking for photos of the inside of pubs too.
Minnie_the_Minx
23-04-2008, 14:24
I've been looking for photos of the inside of pubs too.
I came across pictures from insides of pubs before and couldn't remember who the people were or even what pub it was and chucked them :D
I'm not so sure - pubs were a social hub with people celebrating births, birthdays, marriages - and having wakes - in pubs.
I've got quite a few photos taken in pubs from when I was a kid.
Yup - but the people who took them will be quite old now.
Age is by far the biggest influence on whether you use the internet. Among teenagers internet use is close to 100%, while it's only something like 30% for the over 65s....
Considering how big a part pubs played in their local communities, it's strange how little there recorded information is available on the web (and I guess most of the people who used these pubs are unlikely to be busy archiving their photos and memories on websites).
I went to the lambeth archives to ask about murals and also asked what they had about squats in Brixton area and they had bugger all. In fact urban has more information about squats than the archives. Considering that alternative scene has been an essential part of Brixton for many years, it is sad that it is missing in the archives.
In fact urban has more information about squats than the archives. Considering that alternative scene has been an essential part of Brixton for many years, it is sad that it is missing in the archives.That's what driven me to add a lot of the articles in the Brixton section. Cooltan/121 etc were a big part of Brixton's social history and there's very little out there.
ovaltina
24-04-2008, 08:58
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There's quite a nice end-of-terrace one on a building near where the Royal Oak used to be on Lyham Rd. You can see it from the windmill estate's car park. :)
I've decided to get a bit more proactive and have now added a 'How To Save Your Local Pub' guide:
http://www.urban75.org/info/save-your-pub.html
Hopefully it'll be of use to some folks.
I've decided to get a bit more proactive and have now added a 'How To Save Your Local Pub' guide:
http://www.urban75.org/info/save-your-pub.html
Hopefully it'll be of use to some folks.
That's a great little guide.
Might be worth adding Memespring's planning applications tracker:
www.planningalerts.com
That's a great little guide.
Might be worth adding Memespring's planning applications tracker:
www.planningalerts.com (http://www.planningalerts.com)Good call! Added.
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