View Full Version : let's draw that imaginary boundary
John Quays
28-09-2005, 18:30
Is Retford in the north?
Just wondered, I'm from there, well, between there and Worksop anyway.
Me and friends never knew tbh.
I have no idea where it is!!!
oneflewover
28-09-2005, 20:58
Sorry, Retford definately Southerner.
The North - anywhere above (but including) places on a jiggly line from Liverpool, Warrington, Macclesfield, Sheffield, Rotherham, Doncaster, Scunthorpe, Immingham and finally Grimsby. Anyone below that, just southern softies and neer done hard days graft in your lives or had a hapeth of struggle.
5 mins research gone into this!
edited to include those on line
move that line south of Macclesfield or else :mad:
oneflewover
28-09-2005, 22:04
move that line south of Macclesfield or else :mad:
Edited - now includes all places mentioned and on the line. i like Macclesfield has good mild and a nice football club.
dessiato
28-09-2005, 22:06
Is Retford in the north?
Just wondered, I'm from there, well, between there and Worksop anyway.
Me and friends never knew tbh.
Yes.
reallyoldhippy
28-09-2005, 22:10
"The North" includes all the coalmining areas. Including the one that was in Kent! I'll give you softy southerners, :mad: :mad:
RenegadeDog
29-09-2005, 00:33
I think Stoke is the true start of the North and end of the midlands... It's not that far from either Leicester, which is Midlands, or say Congleton, which is soft-North
I think Stoke is the true start of the North and end of the midlands... It's not that far from either Leicester, which is Midlands, or say Congleton, which is soft-North
hehe, 'soft-north' - I like that. Does the whole of cheshire come into that category?
Where else in the north is 'soft-north'?
oneflewover
29-09-2005, 12:15
hehe, 'soft-north' - I like that. Does the whole of cheshire come into that category?
Only those when asked where they live say "Cheshire" and not Warrington, Widnes, Ellsemere Port or the like
Where else in the north is 'soft-north'?
Harrogate
Harrogate
Spot on. Ilkley too.
Is Retford in the north?
Just wondered, I'm from there, well, between there and Worksop anyway.
Me and friends never knew tbh.
damn right it is.
Just say the name to yourself - where else could it be?
Roadkill
30-09-2005, 11:44
I'd say that Nottinghamshire falls just south of the North/South divide, meaning that places like Retford, Newark (an anagram of Wanker, appropriately enough) and Nottingham are definitely in the Midlands, not the north.
Congleton, which is soft-North
I'll give you soft-North :mad:
:p
LostNotFound
30-09-2005, 12:03
this is my somewhat crude polygonal first-take on the issue :
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4065/ns1bn.jpg
(edited re post #16)
Roadkill
30-09-2005, 12:11
I'd lead the southern boundary of The Norf around the top of Cheshire - don't want any of the Cheshire Set counting themselves as authentic Northerners, do we? :D
LostNotFound
30-09-2005, 12:31
I'd lead the southern boundary of The Norf around the top of Cheshire - don't want any of the Cheshire Set counting themselves as authentic Northerners, do we? :D
totally right.. it was like that to begin with, but when i moved the left down to include yorkshire in the north i didnt notice cheshire getting included. oops !
Roadkill
30-09-2005, 12:38
That looks right now. It just about includes Macclesfield, which I'd say was very definitely north, but cuts out all the rah-rah south Cheshire bits. :cool:
but doesn't have withernsea as the north :eek:
its next to hull ffs
Roadkill
30-09-2005, 13:16
That's true actually, socks.
In fact, really the boundary of 'Midlandz' and 'Norf' should go through northern Lincolnshire, a good 20 miles or so south of the Humber. I'd say that Grimsby is definitely north, whereas Lincoln is more Midlands.
:confused:
That looks right now. It just about includes Macclesfield, which I'd say was very definitely north, but cuts out all the rah-rah south Cheshire bits. :cool:
I'd have south Cheshire and Macclesfield included in the North, as well as Stoke. (Crewe's up there with Burnley for Northern, erm, Northern-ness.)
However, I'd like to see a Kaliningrad-style Southern enclave created to surround such places as Knutsford, Alderley Edge, Wilmslow and Bramhall.
:p
And the Welsh can have Chester.
oneflewover
30-09-2005, 14:26
this is my somewhat crude polygonal first-take on the issue :
Excellent, the poor glowing folk of Sellafield might winge as will the McD chip making centre that is Scarborough, but it does it for me.
Roadkill
30-09-2005, 14:32
the poor glowing folk of Sellafield...
:D :D
And the Welsh can have Chester.
Heard from the home fans at a Brentford v Chester match once. "You're Welsh and you know you are". Hehe
Heard from the home fans at a Brentford v Chester match once. "You're Welsh and you know you are". Hehe
bizarre conversation wih a mate last night:
"Yes, I know Chester was Welsh, and that there were and are fileds in Wales, but that doesn't mean that Chesterfield was ever Welsh"
he meant it too....
reallyoldhippy
30-09-2005, 18:34
........but that doesn't mean that Chesterfield was ever Welsh"....Yes, but is Chesterfield, crooked spire and all. northern? South of Retford!
http://www.photosense.co.uk/acatalog/img_1906.jpg
Yes, but is Chesterfield, crooked spire and all. northern? South of Retford!
yes
Rocket Romano
30-09-2005, 20:45
Saw some Brummie claiming to be Northern today
Fuck off you funny talking cunt
John Quays
01-10-2005, 18:50
LostNotFound: it's a beautiful map but Retford falls into the diagonal gap...
Anyway, I've got a neutral middle-class accent so no fucker would believe I'm from anywhere in particular anyway. Now there's another factor, perhaps.
:(
Yes, but is Chesterfield, crooked spire and all. northern? South of Retford!
http://www.photosense.co.uk/acatalog/img_1906.jpg
Course it is. We can't afford proper spires up 'ere. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_England says the whole of Cheshire is in the North West and not the Midlands!
That spire is ace. Always makes me giggle when I drive past.
Also, I got called a 'Northern shandy drinker' the other day.
Wtf?
LostNotFound
02-10-2005, 14:10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_West_England says the whole of Cheshire is in the North West and not the Midlands!
interesting boundaries on that map chio. cheshire in the north eh.. ! :confused:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/EnglandNorthWest.png
this is my somewhat crude polygonal first-take on the issue :
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4065/ns1bn.jpg
(edited re post #16)
Oh great, someone else who's managed to abolish the West Country as a seperate entity and lumps us in with nearby places like Norwich and Dover :mad:
Draw a line from Gloucester to Weymouth - the South stops here.
Heard from the home fans at a Brentford v Chester match once. "You're Welsh and you know you are". Hehe
At Rovers we get that all the time. Our witty retort to the assorted Essex boys and Londoners is that they are Dutch/French and they know they are.
Surprisingly this always causes outrage amongst the home support, proving that Southerners have no sense of irony, self deprecation or humour whatsoever.
Roadkill
03-10-2005, 09:06
Draw a line from Gloucester to Weymouth - the South stops here.
That would basically be along the boundary of the old Southern and Great Western railways, then.
</anorak>
:D
Saw some Brummie claiming to be Northern today
Fuck off you funny talking cunt
Watch what you're saying about Brummies, Jock!
interesting boundaries on that map chio. cheshire in the north eh.. ! :confused:
That's because we are! Staffordshire, however, is in the Midlands.
spanglechick
03-10-2005, 11:17
That's because we are! Staffordshire, however, is in the Midlands.
I lived in Derby and Leicester as an undergrad. Derby is definately up north (me duck), Leicester different vibe (midlandsy, I guess)
I lived in Derby and Leicester as an undergrad. Derby is definately up north (me duck), Leicester different vibe (midlandsy, I guess)
Stoke, where I am now, is all "ey-up duck". Feels more northern than Midlands, but the maps say Midlands.
John Quays
03-10-2005, 18:45
I used to get called 'youth' in my village, near as it is to Worksop. Totally Northern out that way, links to Sheffield with the villages just the other side of the border.
Retford has more of an agricultural market-town feel to it, somewhere on the Newark scale of things. I'd even be tempted to put the line up the A1 in North Notts, for what that's worth. So I'm now denying the northernness of the town I started out hoping would be agreed northern.
Other side of the Pennines is a bit unknown to me, tho'. The heavy snows make communication with them others raight tricky. :D
So, lets clear this up. The north/midlands border as favoured by those on these boards will run this way:
(from west to east -for those whodon't already know)
from the Welsh border.......along the southern/eastern borders of Cheshire.........veering off at Macclesfield and aligning with the Cat and Fiddle Run to Buxton.........cos thats where thePennines start, of course, and to be proper northern there has to be a Pennine or two locally surely..................then along the A619 road to Chesterfield...............thence to Worksop and Retford, lets say, by the Chesterfield Canal............which runs into the River Trent, which the border will follow northwards till it meets the M180, which we will use to ensure Scunthorpe, Grimsby and Cleethorpes fit just inside?
To those in Stoke, Derby, Nottingham,etc, I'm very sorry. However, shouldthere be an act of parliament which wholly abolishes the Midlands, consideration will be given to lowering this line will, I'm sure, be given
but if you think I'mgonna lower it as far down as Leicester or Coventry, then fuck that. they're shite :)
then along the A619 road to Chesterfield...............thence to Worksop and Retford, lets say, by the Chesterfield Canal.
I'm just int north by 200 yards then. :)
Except the Chesterfield canal runs to the east of my house.
http://www.smileyrepublic.co.uk/random/ukregions.jpg
reallyoldhippy
03-10-2005, 20:17
..thence to Worksop and Retford, lets say, by the Chesterfield Canal.....So are you saying Worksop and Retford are North? If so, there's mining towns/villages south of there which are just as northern. Pit villages, me duck, where yon youth can be in his 60s. Better to do it by counties: Notts & Derbys make the grade. Lincs certainly doesn't. None of it. :D
No, other posters wanted Worksop and Retford making northern. I just put together with a boundary that could keep them happy!
My kids live in Shirebrook, where I've also lived. Shirebrook is 100% more northern in outlook than the part of Sheffield I'm in right now, and I'd have loved dearly to put a small circle round it to ensure it becomes part of any planned breakaway republic, but it just didnt look right, geographically :(
LostNotFound
04-10-2005, 11:15
ooh look at you with your posh maps chio.. :mad: ;)
John Quays
06-10-2005, 08:12
So are you saying Worksop and Retford are North? If so, there's mining towns/villages south of there which are just as northern. Pit villages, me duck, where yon youth can be in his 60s. Better to do it by counties: Notts & Derbys make the grade. Lincs certainly doesn't. None of it. :D
Gainsborough does.
And Scunny.
I was always taught that south of the Humber is France. :D
Edit to add: South Yorkshire? The name says it all. ;)
Stoke is in the North !! Fact !! I dare anyone to stand on Stoke's Boothen End and call them a bunch of Southern softies !! :mad: You won't want to be doing that ! :eek:
Nope 'fraid not Stoke is far far in the south
oh sorry "parlez vous Anglais monsieur?" ;)
StanSmith
11-10-2005, 22:45
http://www.smileyrepublic.co.uk/random/ukregions.jpg
That is a pretty good call, I think you have it about right there.
And thats coming from someone that isnt a Northern Monkey or a Southern puff! :D :p
That is a pretty good call, I think you have it about right there.
And thats coming from someone that isnt a Northern Monkey or a Southern puff! :D :p
Well apart from the fact that the boundary should be drawn to the north of S. Yorks, G. Manc and Merseyside, the map seems OK. Oh yes lets forget about the Midlands bit and just label everything south of this border SOUTH. ;)
Mrs Magpie
12-10-2005, 07:53
For the purposes of these boards, the North is everything North of the top of the M25, until there is enough interest in a Home Counties/Midlands forum. So there you have it.
Nope 'fraid not Stoke is far far in the south
oh sorry "parlez vous Anglais monsieur?" ;)
Fermez Le Bouche ! :mad: Once you are North of Watford Gap services, you're ow'raight in maa boooook !! ;)
Fermez Le Bouche ! :mad: Once you are North of Watford Gap services, you're ow'raight in maa boooook !! ;)
But... Watford Gap services is right down in the deep, dark south!
But... Watford Gap services is right down in the deep, dark south!
Yes but real Southerners never venture beyond there because it is already getting to cold to walk around without a Pringle sweater on :rolleyes:
John Quays
12-10-2005, 13:43
Hey you, Chio! Nice map but get Northants and Cambs in the midlands, innit!
Is it nice in the south? :confused:
I live in France now (fuchs, je parle aussi l'anglais) and my students only seem to know 'Cantorbéry' as they call it, 'Bournemousse', 'Brightonne' and the like. I always thought they were just places invented for the news on telly, or for friends' families to go on holiday to. :D
Keeping it North/East Midlands, keeping it real, jq
StanSmith
12-10-2005, 21:42
For the purposes of these boards, the North is everything North of the top of the M25, until there is enough interest in a Home Counties/Midlands forum. So there you have it.
I wouldnt mind a Midlands forum, but isnt the Home Counties southern turf?
To be fair I love both the South and the North and I enjoy visiting and talking about both places....ive had some great times in both!
'The North' is Yorkshire - end of story. Anything else is either North-West, North East or that daft bit before you get to Scotland.
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