View Full Version : Anyone been to Moscow/St Petersburg??
geminisnake
07-09-2005, 11:20
I've always wanted to go to Russia, mainly for the architecture and ballet and stuff, and I've decided I really want to go in the next year or so.
I have noticed you need a visa, and found Idris's thread saying about HIV certificate :eek:
Do you really need that?? I've never been tested for it and wouldn't know how to go about it at all.(Married, in monogamous relationship for 20 yrs)
Also does anyone have handy hints tips on what to avoid, what to take (apart from thermals ;) ), etc??
Ta :)
that's not for tourists, geminisnake, it's for people staying in the country more than 3 months (or is it 6? summat like that anyway).
re: visas etc, best to pay an agency to sort it all out.
I'm in Moscow now; Kea is correct in everything! Only potential snag with visas is you'll need an invitation; if you book a hotel this will be issued automatically but if you're staying elsewhere you'll need to buy one - the visa company should be able to arrange this.
As for HIV tests, they're only really required for work permit purposes, as well as, under new legislation, leprosy, syphilis, chlamydia, tuberculosis and chancres (WTF?), with certificates only given by the absolutely bogging state-approved clinics. [tangential rant] Actually, they're screwing us about with the regulations so badly at the moment noone knows what's going on - the authorities start requiring new registration every time you leave the country, then the ministries turn round and say 'this requirement doesn't exist, everything is peachy, white is black etc'. I wish some official could just come out and say 'listen foreigners, in actual fact we don't really want you here and wish you'd all go home'. I would then at least know where I stand. [/tangential rant]
Anyway, that shouldn't affect you, and this kind of bollocks aside it is a great place which should be seen; amazing variety of things and always some kind of action going on. I love it!
i was in moscow last week and really liked it. a lovely city and the centre is surprisingly chic. you do need an invitation but your hotel will be able to issue that.
well worth a visit. i imagine st petersburg is spectacular. i'd love to go there.
chilango
07-09-2005, 16:01
Don´t forget yr hotel will nedd yr pasport to get a police regristration. This might expire at hotel checkout time (1200ish) so uf you´ve checked out and are hanging around the town to catch a train or summut the cops might use this as an excuse to "fine" you. I got done for about 40 dollars (but then i had been hanging around photographing Lubyanka so... :rolleyes: )
Great city Moscow.
I recommend www.visahouse.ru for instant invitations by email over any hotel invitation. You don't need any certificates. If you take it to their office (which is in Central Moscow anyway), they will register it for you for the entire duration of your trip. This is useful if you're not going to stay at one hotel for the whole time or if your hotel is a bit ... shit.
The whole system is completely pointless.
Paul Marsh
07-09-2005, 21:53
Indeed - I got chucked out of St petersburg on arrival last year, after getting confused over this.
I had a hotel booked, who took a deposit from me, then sent a load of stuff to me, in Russian, which I was told "was all I needed".
Me and my girlfriend then flew all the way to St Petersburg, but were promptly deported on the next flight as we had not taken the papers sent from the hotel to the Russian embassey in London to collect visas.
A stupid mistake - confusing the invitation with the actual visa. End result - no holiday, and deposit retained by the St Petersburg hotel, despite some pretty terse e mail corrspondence.
Ended up in Munich, where they was none of this visa nonsense!
Ahh, that's very disappointing.
Gemini - if you haven't got time to hang around the Russian consulate in London, Edinburgh or Dublin, then you'd better be prepared to start early so you can apply by post or to pay a courier to take it for you (expensive).
geminisnake
08-09-2005, 10:59
Gemini - if you haven't got time to hang around the Russian consulate in London, Edinburgh or Dublin, then you'd better be prepared to start early so you can apply by post or to pay a courier to take it for you (expensive).
Not a last minute decision then? ;)
I'll check out where the consulate is in Edinburgh. I was thinking of booking through a travel agent anyway, coz it seems a bit complex.
Only russian I know is nyet and da, and I'd recognise the words Lenin and Moscow in writing. Probably not that helpful.
starfish2000
08-09-2005, 11:23
It's beautiful but a bit lawless in Moscow
Watch the cops if you go, they ask to see your papers, make out theres a problem & then fine you 1500 Roubles for no reason other than a tourist. Also watch out for the Taxi's agree a price beforehand & always pick a driver you can overpower.
I have had no problem with the cops on the 4 times I have stayed in Moscow. At times I haven't bothered with even carrying my passport on me when travelling in the city, but it would be advisable to do so, just in case you are asked for your documents by a cop. Moscow is Ok as long as you adopt the same kind of common sense you would in any situation to avoid danger to yourself. The place is big and intimidating to the newcomer, but once you get into it, the place is actually very cool. The bar life can be pretensious and shite (i.e Propaganda, Art Garbage) so avoid those places. Prosititutes can hang around Leningradsky Prospekt as I was propisitioned by one on my visit there last year. My bird wasn't too happy.
The mtero is great to see for it's stations if you have never seen it before, and of course is the best way to get around the city. If you go somewhere by taxi, then take a Russian speaker with you, as the price can go lower than if they think you are another tourist to fleece. And if you are a woman, then it would not be advisable to get into a taxi on your own, for obvious reasons.
Moscow is a great city, but just avoid the shit and you will have a good time.
You need to apply for your visa one month before you go, and so get an invitation 2 weeks before you apply for your visa. I am not too sure now, as things might have changed, but for a 28 day visa you should just need a photocopy of your passport, and for anything longer than that you need to get a colour scan of your passport.
This is by no means the cheapest, as if you book with a hotel then they can often make an invitation for you free of charge and fax it to you, to then send on to the consukate with your visa application form, but should you want to some organisations offer the service of obtaining an invitation and visa for you, and will send your passport off to the consulate for you.
http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/ecoliza/index.htm
I have used these before, email them or ask them for info. They are very helpful, and offer a good service, but not the cheapest. Check out the Russian travel service section.
When you stay in Russi afor longer than 28 days you have to register your visa within three days of arrival in Russia, at your hotel, and also at the place where your inviatiion was issued if you did not get an invitation from the hotel. And finally you will have to go to the OVIR in the olace you are staying to get it all offically registered. If you asre there for a 2 week holiday or something, then the registering at the hotel will suffice.
lizzieloo
08-09-2005, 18:00
Friend studied Russian at Poly, she lives in St Petersberg for 6 months sent me letters with pics and tickets and things :cool:
One was a pic of the Sea frozen, blew me away that did.
Go to the Hermitage Museum. You'll need about a week though.
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/index.html
http://www.travelinrussia.com/hermitage-large.jpg
I have been to Piter too, but prefer Moscow.
Ryazan - I'm not going to swear on it because they keep changing the fuckin' rules :mad: , but I think there are a couple of mistakes in what you say.
1) You can get a tourist visa within a day, if you're willing to pay enough. Pay $55 to Visa House to get an instant invitation, then pay for super-express processing at the Russian Consultate (currently £120). It doesn't necessarily take a month.
2) you don't always to have to send a scan of your passport to get an invitation, it depends on the type of visa.
3) you have to register your visa by the third working day of your stay in Russia, regardless of whether you're going to be there for 28 days or fewer. (this is a change from when it used to be from the 3rd working day in that city).
A hotel will only register a visa for the duration of your stay at that hotel but if you get the invitation-issuer to do it, they should do it for the whole validity of the visa.
yeah, i got a visa the same day in tallin a couple of years back
Ryazan - I'm not going to swear on it because they keep changing the fuckin' rules :mad: , but I think there are a couple of mistakes in what you say.
1) You can get a tourist visa within a day, if you're willing to pay enough. Pay $55 to Visa House to get an instant invitation, then pay for super-express processing at the Russian Consultate (currently £120). It doesn't necessarily take a month.
2) you don't always to have to send a scan of your passport to get an invitation, it depends on the type of visa.
3) you have to register your visa by the third working day of your stay in Russia, regardless of whether you're going to be there for 28 days or fewer. (this is a change from when it used to be from the 3rd working day in that city).
A hotel will only register a visa for the duration of your stay at that hotel but if you get the invitation-issuer to do it, they should do it for the whole validity of the visa.
Of course they keep changing the rules. I am not saying my words are set in stone.
Just from my experience, I have usually applied for my visa within one month of my travelling to Russia, as recomended by the consulate themselves. As for an invitation I have used a service that does that all for you. I pay them a set amount, they obtain an invitation for you, and with time for you to apply for a visa, I would send off my passport with the application form needed and either a b+w photocopy of my passport, for a short stay using the 28 day tourist visa available, or when I went for a few months, I obtained a Business visa valid for 3 months, and of which to obtain one I also needed to send a colour scan or photocopy image of my passport, better quality than the black and white. The service did all of this for me, forwarding on the documentation needed to the consulate in Edinburgh.
As for registering my visa, yes you are right, the hotel will register you with them for the time that you are staying with them, when I have been on a short stay there in Moscow I would just register myself in the hotel and that would be it. As for other times, when I went for a prolonged period taking in other places, I registered my visa at the hotel, but also had to go and get a letter from the company based in Moscow that dealt with my inviation, and then to go to a government ministry named the OVIR in order to properly register my visa, and all of this within 3 days of arrival in Russia. When I left Moscow on my prolonged journey, I visited another city, Ryazan, and also had to register myself there also with the local authorities. A pain in the ass, but had to be done. This was all in 2004, but things change all the time in Russia. Russian beuracrats should be sent to the moon. I also went to Piter on this trip but didn't bother with any registering as I just stayed in somebody's flat.
Just my experiences that is all. Things may have changed, but I was there in Moscow last month on a 28 day tourist visa, and obtaining this was the same routine I explained earlier in this post.
As for getting my visa, I have always done the cheapest version, but I am aware you can get fast tracked visa for a higher price.
Rereading your post again, I realise that my first point was because you said "you need to apply for a visa a month in advance". I read that literally ("you must") but I think now you meant it in the more colloquial sense of "you ought to").
In any case, the point is that geminisnake doesn't have to plan trips to Russia a long time in advance but it's more expensive not to. A lot of the hassles involved with multi-entry or business/employment visas are removed when accepting a simple tourist visa ... at the expense of flexibility.
I just assumed that the first poster would be thinking about doing this as cheaply as possible.
Pickman's model
10-09-2005, 17:38
Anyone been to Moscow/St Petersburg??yes.
Where in Moscow did you go to?
Pickman's model
10-09-2005, 18:14
http://img1.travelblog.org/Photos/351/2291/f/6892-St-Basil-s-Cathedral-Red-Square-Moscow-0.jpg
Pickman's model
10-09-2005, 18:15
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9606407/russland/lenin-mausoleum.jpg
Which end of Krasnaya Ploschad is that?
Pickman's model
10-09-2005, 18:16
http://images.worldres.com/property/a20500/20733/hotel3.jpg
Pickman's model
10-09-2005, 18:16
Which end of Krasnaya Ploschad is that?the lhs as you face the kremlin
My bird's aunt lives neat the VDNKh. When did you stay at the Cosmos?
Pickman's model
10-09-2005, 18:18
early 90s.
Taking your time so you can google more pictures eh?
Pickman's model
10-09-2005, 18:19
Taking your time so you can google more pictures eh?no.
Pickman's model
10-09-2005, 18:20
Okay. I believe you.good.
I stayed at the Hotel Tourist on my last trip out, not far from, the Botanical Gardens.
Th3 Saint
08-10-2005, 15:21
Fuck Moscow, it's all about St Petersburg!!!!!!!
I went to Moscow and St Petersburg over 20 years ago, when St Petersburg was called Leningrad.
I can recommend the Winter Palace and the Metro was (is?) amazing.
Th3 Saint
10-10-2005, 00:44
Why? Because Moscow is Crowded, dirty and impersonal. And St Pete is amazing, beautiful and time-less
Th3 Saint
10-10-2005, 00:46
I am biased of course!
Piter is impersonal too.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder damn you!
Moscow is a city of extremes. 11 million people crammed into one big, dirty, rotting metropolis where you can get and eat the best Sharma and watch drunks throw bottles into the carriages of metro trains, and have stray dogs keeping you awake by barking all night outside your block of flats. Moscow metro is better for it's palace stations than Piter, although Piter's is more cleaner and bright. And, in Piter you go onto these platforms where the trains are obscured from view by walls, the platform and track seperated, and when the train arrives it's doors align exactly with doors in the wall. AMAZING!
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21-10-2005, 20:36
Moscow has a beauty that is both repulsive and addictive.
It isn't the best throughout the whole city. The vendors around the northern area, near the Botanical gardens, and near VDNKh (you know, where all those music, video and mobile phone shops are). These are good. Some of the kiosks are shaped and painted like big matryoshka dolls. And as ever, there is a Vulcan gambling arcade. :rolleyes:
Vulcan is (secretly) (partially) owned by Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov, iirc.
He is involved with them yes. He's the bloke that has a penchant for demolishing old historic buildings and replacing them with new crap shopping centres. He is mates with that sculptor Zurab Tsereteli who put up that awful statue of Peter the Great at the helm of a boat riding on some geyzer like rush of water. It is positively grotesque, fucking awful. He keeps getting contracts to make and place his "art" throughout Moscow, no doubt his connections with the mayor.
I'm flying to Moscow on Thursday night. Will be my second visit over there. Absolutly loved it the first time. I don't think I've ever met such nice people. Everyone I met made me feel so welcome and they are always smiling! :D
Off to a place called Perm City in Sibera on Friday then back into Moscow on Saturday. Unfortunately have to come home on Sunday, would loved to have stayed in Sibera a bit longer but need to get back into Moscow for a couple of gigs on the Saturday night.
Chris
If you make an effort to speak to them then you might be surprised. Living in poverty does give quite a lot of people good reason to be sad. :rolleyes: Have always fancied going to Ekaterinburg.
If you make an effort to speak to them then you might be surprised. Living in poverty does give quite a lot of people good reason to be sad. :rolleyes: Have always fancied going to Ekaterinburg.
:confused:
Have always fancied going to Ekaterinburg.
i recommend it :)
Ekaterinburg, it is the administrative centre of the region of Western Siberia which Perm is a part of.
i recommend it :)
:cool: I am going back to Moscow in Febuary, but fingers crossed, I will head to Kazan in the summer.
Ekaterinburg, it is the administrative centre of the region of Western Siberia which Perm is a part of.
Ah right. :) Thanks Ryazan :cool:
I hope I get to see some of the City. I have a feeling I won't though if my last trip is anything to go by.
Does anyone know how long the flight is from Moscow to Perm City? I'm booked on the 10am flight so hopefully that will get me there with hopefully a few spare hours to spend exploring.
:cool: I am going back to Moscow in Febuary, but fingers crossed, I will head to Kazan in the summer.
the people in ekat were v nice when i was there :) the massive church they've built on the site the romanovs were killed is absolutely mind-boggling.
'the church on the blood' i think it's called.
edit: here ya go, here's a pic -
http://www.byzantines.net/byzcathculture/images/cotb_view01.jpg
Oh, There is a church "on the spilt blood" in St Petersburg too, to remember the death of Alexander II (offed by the likes of Vera Figner :cool: ) The Romanovs were shot in Ekaterinburg yes, but I think Yeltsin had the house they were kept in and executed demolished in the 70's or 80's. Orthodox churches are :cool:
Ah right. :) Thanks Ryazan :cool:
I hope I get to see some of the City. I have a feeling I won't though if my last trip is anything to go by.
Does anyone know how long the flight is from Moscow to Perm City? I'm booked on the 10am flight so hopefully that will get me there with hopefully a few spare hours to spend exploring.
I don't know how long it is, but what are you talking about in terms of the city? Perm, or Moscow?
but I think Yeltsin had the house they were kept in and executed demolished
yes he did.
Sorry Ryazan, not making myself very clear.
I was talking about Perm. I've been doing some research on the place but can't find too much information, from what I have found though it does look like a great place and somewhere very different compared to Moscow.
I visted Moscow a couple of months ago and loved the place but would like to see a bit more of Russia as I'm sure there's so much great places to see.
I don't know a great deal about Perm, but Russia from my experience is very different beyond the two cities Piter and Moscow. Provincial Russia is another world, and am jealous that you are heading to the Urals. I have only been to European Russia taking in Moscow, Piter aswell as Ryazan and Michurinsk. Should be going to Tatarstan and Kazan in the summer, which will be really good.
The poverty is pretty grim in the provinces. Near Ryazan some of my girlfriend's relatives live in a village near the city and it doesn't have decent running water. But that said they have a banya in their back garden and I was treated some time in there for my birthday back in 2004. I recommend a visit to one. If you are comfortable with being naked in a hot place with other men (you'll be surprised at the eyebrows that have been raised when telling others about it here in the UK), and get lightly beaten with birch branches on your neck back and legs then it is brilliant. As my host said- "Banya, it is the Russian doctor".
Well I'm going to try and squeeze as much as I can in the time I'm there. I'll be there with a couple of Russian guys anyway so hopefully they will be able to show me a side to the city most people don't see.
I think I'll only be in Perm for about a day so there's not too much I'll be able to see but I'm definitely give my camera a good work out while I'm there. I'll definitely post up some pics when I'm back as well! :)
BTW The Banya sounds great, definitely something worth having a go at! I'm sure there's not to many people that can say they have had that done before.
Good, I look forward to seeing them.
The Banya sounds great, definitely something worth having a go at! I'm sure there's not to many people that can say they have had that done before.
It is good, but the place where I was at it was just some hodge podge wooden shed cabin type thing. I am sure in the cities there are more fancy/pretensious professional places, complete with hookers (not my cup of tea). You feel refreshed after it though. Alternate between extreme sweating with birch treatment and a cold shower two maybe three times- felt so good on that day!
It is good, but the place where I was at it was just some hodge podge wooden shed cabin type thing. I am sure in the cities there are more fancy/pretensious professional places, complete with hookers (not my cup of tea). You feel refreshed after it though. Alternate between extreme sweating with birch treatment and a cold shower two maybe three times- felt so good on that day!
It sounds the perefct thing to do after a long journey, that would definitely sort you out. I'm make sure I remember that when I get there! Not so sure about the hookers part though, not my cup of tea either but each to there own.
It's about 2.5 hours' flight from Moscow to Perm.
WTF are you doing in Perm for one day? :confused: Who's playing on Saturday in Moscow?
Where have you been to in Russia?
It's about 2.5 hours' flight from Moscow to Perm.
WTF are you doing in Perm for one day? :confused: Who's playing on Saturday in Moscow?
I'm djing over there. I'm playing in Perm on the Friday then a couple of gigs on Saturday back in Moscow.
Idris2002
26-10-2005, 10:23
As of today, it's finally started snowing here in Piter.
Just thought you might be interested.
The first snow fell in Ryazan too.
By the way, what is that awful programme on in the monrings, can't remember which channel (Reklama?) where some woman interviews a guest with the most obvious product placement I have ever witnessed. She sits on a sofa pouring the guest tea into yellow mugs with Liptons printed on it, from a big yellow teapot with Liptons printed on it, using Liptons teabags, with (you guessed it) tabs on the teabags with Liptons printed on it. This is done without fail every morning with it all done in closeup. What shite.
Is Dom Dva still going? Plus the topical news programme Protokol was only worth watching for the fit woman that presents it. And the experience of waking up turning on the TV and finding the BBC's My Hero (with Ardal O'Hanlon wotshisname) sitcom being played. Kultura is a good channel for watching Soviet movies, plus you get that cool continuity thing on there at the beginning of every hour with the golden peacock clock from the Hermitage coming to life.
doesn't reklama mean advertisment anyway though?
I'm djing over there. I'm playing in Perm on the Friday then a couple of gigs on Saturday back in Moscow.
Oh, cool. Where are you playing in Moscow?
(Feel free not to answer if you don't want to out yourself :) ).
doesn't reklama mean advertisment anyway though?
Yes it does, part of NTV or TNT- hence the product placement. It is actually a media company I think.
Oh, cool. Where are you playing in Moscow?
(Feel free not to answer if you don't want to out yourself :) ).
Propaganda?
Oh, cool. Where are you playing in Moscow?
(Feel free not to answer if you don't want to out yourself :) ).
Hi JWH
Just got back yesterday. I played a new club in Moscow on Saturday called Moveton. It was ok, not as busy as my gig in Perm on Friday though. I played in front of 5000 people! Bit gutted thpough as again I wasn't there long enough to see anything. Hopefully gonna go back in the summer for a couple of weeks though!
Propaganda?
Unfortunately not. I love that club! :D
You like it? I thought it was a bit pricy when I was there. And a lot of posers. But good music. Some lass called Alison Marks was playing there when I popped in in August. But appoximately a fiver for a Carlsberg is taking the piss. People I know in Russia find that kind of pricing horrendous, seen as they don't earn much more than £100 a month. So that makes places like Propaganda a bit elitist.
You like it? I thought it was a bit pricy when I was there. And a lot of posers. But good music. Some lass called Alison Marks was playing there when I popped in in August. But appoximately a fiver for a Carlsberg is taking the piss. People I know in Russia find that kind of pricing horrendous, seen as they don't earn much more than £100 a month. So that makes places like Propaganda a bit elitist.
When I was there last I was just taken around about 5 clubs in Moscow and didn't have to pay for anything, so I had no idea of pricing. From and venue and music point of view it was great!
I'm trying to figure out who you are! :D
I don't doubt you played at this new club, but I now have a list of people who played there at the grand opening. Can't you even hint? :D
I'm trying to figure out who you are! :D
I don't doubt you played at this new club, but I now have a list of people who played there at the grand opening. Can't you even hint? :D
Ha ha.
My names Chris Rayner. I'm not a very famous dj, although I'm working on it! ;)
Tell your mate Pushkin* I liked Millionaire. Good luck with your music. :)
*not that he would give a fuck anyway :D
Tell your mate Pushkin* I liked Millionaire. Good luck with your music. :)
*not that he would give a fuck anyway :D
Thanks Ryazan.
I'll pass your message onto Roman! :cool:
What are clubs in general like in Moscow? ;)
Don't know them all. The people I know in the capital simply can't afford to go out to some of the clubs and so have parties or whatever at flats instead. Some are just upmarket whorehouses I have been told. Places like Nightflight.
They're very varied: you can find clubs that are more expensive and exclusive than (I dunno - what's e&e in London?) China White, but there are also squat-type places. Lots of theme bars and restaurants, rock clubs, dance clubs, strip/lapdancing clubs, whatever. I've even been (unintentionally) to a rockabilly night at a club!
It was in the basement of Central House of Artists (TsDKh), by Gorky Park. It was a while ago, though. Couples got up and danced jive routines on the bar.
Agent Sparrow
12-11-2005, 16:57
I've went to St Petersburg in July this year, if you PM me your email geminisnake I can send you a few pics if you want so you get a bit of an impression, plus I can tell you the places I liked. :)
is the rest of urban not good enough to here the places it st petersburg you liked :confused:
Who cares. If it is all secretive....
Post up some more pics of female National Bolshevik members. I had a crap night at work, so need cheering up a bit.
what's the fecking site again, i can't remember :(
edit: got it, hold on
Just checked, according to my puter, the site is down at the moment. Something to do with exceeding bandwidth.
http://www.nbp.nad.ru/new/photo/girls/va08.jpghttp://www.nbp.nad.ru/new/photo/girls/va14.jpg
http://www.nbp.nad.ru/new/photo/girls/gr10.jpghttp://www.nbp.nad.ru/new/photo/girls/tv02.jpg
http://www.nbp.nad.ru/new/photo/girls/tn10.jpghttp://www.nbp.nad.ru/new/photo/girls/b06.jpg
Thanks oisleep. Just nipping off to the bathroom. ;)
not that i've got them all on my personal hard drive like :o
http://www.nbp.nad.ru/new/photo/girls/o24.jpg
paper?
that was quick!
:eek: ;) :D
is the rest of urban not good enough to here the places it st petersburg you liked :confused:
You're not missing much, it's only St Petersburg. ;)
Agent Sparrow
15-11-2005, 08:42
is the rest of urban not good enough to here the places it st petersburg you liked :confused:
Because I don't have photo hosting and I can't be arsed to upload 40 pics using imageshack, yet I can email them if anyone wants them, is that alright with you?
I don't think he was being overly serious. Calm down me lovely.
Because I don't have photo hosting and I can't be arsed to upload 40 pics using imageshack, yet I can email them if anyone wants them, is that alright with you?
wasn't referring to the photo's, you said you'd tell about the places you liked in a pm to the op, i just wondered why you didn't want to share that info on a thread about the very same topic
Agent Sparrow
15-11-2005, 21:16
wasn't referring to the photo's, you said you'd tell about the places you liked in a pm to the op, i just wondered why you didn't want to share that info on a thread about the very same topic
Because I couldn't be arsed to sit down right then to write enough to do things justice perhaps?
me lovely
Please don't call me that again.
That's the kind of effect St Petersburg has on people. ;)
Because I couldn't be arsed to sit down right then to write enough to do things justice perhaps?
but jwh says it's shite
i only passed through it a few years back, but it was the year before it's 300th anniversary and all the buildings were covered up and getting tarted up for the big 3 oh oh
frogwoman
09-12-2007, 21:12
I am thinking about possibly moving to Russia for a few years after I finish uni. I think it is an amazing country tbh and I just wanted to find out more.
Jesus. 2 year fucking bump :mad: :p
frogwoman
12-12-2007, 00:22
well sorry :p i am interested in going to Russia and nobody ever seems to post in this forum anyway so i didn't think most people would notice ;)
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