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:mad: I don't know if I'm more pissed off with Ryanair or Cornwall CC but they've had a tiff over a £5 passenger tax which the council wanted to charge Ryanair.
Why did they have to do that when I'm supposed to be going away? That's really fucked us up :mad:
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news.php?yr=05&month=aug&story=rte-en-310805
Why not get the train?
5 and a half fucking hours :mad: If you're only going for one night it's a pain in the arse.
And it's just another reminder of what 3rd class citizens we are down here. They've been trying to stop trains at Plymouth for years, why not just cut Cornwall off completely? We're only a fucking theme park after all.
Think of the good you'll be doing for the environment.
You could always get the sleeper too if you're only going for one night - but you're not, are you?
Think of the good you'll be doing for the environment.
You could always get the sleeper too.
No we can't We can only go for one night. I do daily good for the environment:) Flying to London once a year wasn't such a crime.
I don't understand what you mean about not only going up for one night :confused:
I don't understand what you mean about not only going up for one night I assumed you were speaking rhetorically.
So why not get the overnight sleeper - that's something that really needs support from Cornish people as the fuckers at the top look like they're set to get rid of it.
http://www.saveoursleeper.com/mainpage.htm
Because that would mean 2 nights away and we can't do it. We live on a smallholding. We're spending a night in London, seeing a show etc and coming back the next day. If we go on the train we don't get into London until 2.30pm (if it's on time) which just gives us enough time to get to the hotel, check in, have a shower, find somewhere to eat , go to the show and then back to the hotel. It's very rushed. If you fly you're in London by 10 am. If we go on the sleeper we'd have to leave the night before and someone would have to come and let the animals out and feed them next day.
Apart from anything else why shouldn't we have the same travel options as other people?
This is the first time we've been away together for over a year. One of us always has to be here.
In the greater scheme of things it's no big deal but it pisses me off how companies like ryanair can just pull the plug on a really useful service.
Because that would mean 2 nights away and we can't do it. We live on a smallholding. We're spending a night in London, seeing a show etc and coming back the next day. If we go on the train we don't get into London until 2.30pm (if it's on time) which just gives us enough time to get to the hotel, check in, have a shower, find somewhere to eat , go to the show and then back to the hotel. It's very rushed. If you fly you're in London by 10 am. If we go on the sleeper we'd have to leave the night before and someone would have to come and let the animals out and feed them next day.
Apart from anything else why shouldn't we have the same travel options as other people?
How can you expect the same travel options as other people if you live in such an outlying area? Go and live closer to London or go for longer if you want to increase your options.
madzone, it is a simple fact that you choose to live somewhere which is a certain distance from the capital city, both geographically and in terms of transport. there's no point in getting angry about the fact that the time-space continuum can't be altered in order to give you an easy way of visiting london for just one night. as the editor says, there's a perfectly good sleeper train. it's unfortunate that your lifestyle/home situation means you can't use that, but that's not the fault of anyone but yourself.
I think you're all being a bit harsh on Madzone. So what if she choses to live far away from London? It's not the fucking centre of the universe! What about cuts in rural bus services, I suppose people aren't allowed to complain about those either, after all, it's their own fault if they chose not to live in the city.
fair point geri. i would argue that's not quite the same as this tho. it's more like someone complaining that the local bus service doesn't get them into town and back in a quick enough timescale. cos basically madzone is complaining that she wants to go into london but only for one night, and that's difficult cos of where she lives.
it's just a fact that it takes a certain amount of time to get from somewhere to somewhere else, and from where she lives, it's a tall order to get to london and back in one overnight trip.
I think you're all being a bit harsh on Madzone. So what if she choses to live far away from London? It's not the fucking centre of the universe! What about cuts in rural bus services, I suppose people aren't allowed to complain about those either, after all, it's their own fault if they chose not to live in the city.Despite madzone choosing to live in a relatively remote location, there's buses, there's cheap coaches, there's trains, there's a motorway and there's even a night sleeper service to take her back and forth from the capital.
That's more than many other folks get.
from where she lives, it's a tall order to get to london and back in one overnight trip.
It wasn't when there was more than one flight though - that is her point.
yeah but she has lots of other options to get to and from london, and if ryanair wasn't making money then clearly not enough cornish residents were using the flights to make it worth their while, so the demand obviously isn't there.
there's still 1 flight a day, surely that's enough to do what she wants to do, ie. overnight in london, anyway?!
i mean, people living a certain distance from london should kinda expect it to take a while to get to and from london, no?
edit: i certainly expect it to take a certain amount of time to get to and from cornwall, when i go there. and i take enough time once i'm there to make that travelling worthwhile!
It wasn't when there was more than one flight though - that is her point.To be honest, the less noisy, polluting internal air flights* around the UK the better, as far as I'm concerned.
(*where there are reasonable transport alternatives available).
I think you're all being a bit harsh on Madzone. So what if she choses to live far away from London? It's not the fucking centre of the universe! What about cuts in rural bus services, I suppose people aren't allowed to complain about those either, after all, it's their own fault if they chose not to live in the city.
Thank you Geri :)
yeah but she has lots of other options to get to and from london, and if ryanair wasn't making money then clearly not enough cornish residents were using the flights to make it worth their while, so the demand obviously isn't there.
there's still 1 flight a day, surely that's enough to do what she wants to do, ie. overnight in london, anyway?!
i mean, people living a certain distance from london should kinda expect it to take a while to get to and from london, no?
edit: i certainly expect it to take a certain amount of time to get to and from cornwall, when i go there. and i take enough time once i'm there to make that travelling worthwhile!
It's nothing to do with them not making enough money. They've thrown a hissy fit at the council.
The 1 flight left will be at 9pm at night. No good for people trying to get to work (which is what the flight is mainly used for ) Or for people like ourselves trying to get a night away.
To be honest, the less noisy, polluting internal air flights* around the UK the better, as far as I'm concerned.
(*where there are reasonable transport alternatives available).
But the more the merrier to New York eh?
Despite madzone choosing to live in a relatively remote location, there's buses, there's cheap coaches, there's trains, there's a motorway and there's even a night sleeper service to take her back and forth from the capital.
That's more than many other folks get.
Name them.
The 1 flight left will be at 9pm at night. No good for people trying to get to work (which is what the flight is mainly used for ) Or for people like ourselves trying to get a night away.How many people living in Newquay work in London then?
:confused:
How many people living in Newquay work in London then?
:confused:
The Air SW and Ryanair morning flights are usually full of business people commuting to London. They don't all live in Newquay :confused: Do all people taking flights from London live in Gatwick or Heathrow?
Name them.
Pick any one of many small mid Wales towns where they're up to 30 miles from the nearest railhead and there's zero direct coaches and barely a bus passing by to London.
You're incredibly well connected by comparison to many towns.
But the more the merrier to New York eh?
Perhaps you were so busy feeling smug at your bon mot that you failed to observe the caveat I applied to my earlier post about "reasonable transport alternatives" being available.
So where's the train station and coach station for New York then?
:rolleyes:
The Air SW and Ryanair morning flights are usually full of business people commuting to London. So do you approve of such long distance commuting then?
Perhaps you were so busy feeling smug at your bon mot that you failed to observe the caveat I applied to my earlier post about "reasonable transport alternatives" being available.
So where's the train station and coach station for New York then?
:rolleyes:
You could go by boat :) Or you could not go at all which is what's likely to happen to us.
So do you approve of such long distance commuting then?
What does that have to do with the thread?
What does that have to do with the thread?Everything. You're demanding a level of service in a semi-remote location that can only be sustained by "business people commuting to London" so I can only assume you approve of such long distance commuting. Do you?
You could go by boatI get seasick.
Everything. You're demanding a level of service in a semi-remote location that can only be sustained by "business people commuting to London" so I can only assume you approve of such long distance commuting. Do you?
If it means that poeple living in a rural community can have a crack at jobs with fair pay in London then yes. If it's just so rich business men can buy houses in Cornwall then no.
I get seasick.
Don't go at all then. If your morals dictate that you're against air travel then it's hypocritical to use it at all IMVVHO
If it means that poeple living in a rural community can have a crack at jobs with fair pay in London then yes. If it's just so rich business men can buy houses in Cornwall then no.
so people in cornwall are getting medium-paying jobs in london and using the plane to communte? that's a new one on me. most people who do things like that (eg. firemen, track repair workers) use their own cars from what i've heard.
it's a shame that you won't be able to make it to london because of this decision by ryanair madzone, but as i said earlier, i don't think it's unreasonable to point out that you have chosen to live somewhere which is a fair way from london, and hence it's pretty impractical trying to get up here for one night only anyway.
perhaps you could get someone to mind the smallholding and take a long weekend in london instead, to justify the journey?
madzone, it is a simple fact that you choose to live somewhere which is a certain distance from the capital city, both geographically and in terms of transport. there's no point in getting angry about the fact that the time-space continuum can't be altered in order to give you an easy way of visiting london for just one night. as the editor says, there's a perfectly good sleeper train. it's unfortunate that your lifestyle/home situation means you can't use that, but that's not the fault of anyone but yourself.
And if we all thought like that we may as well cut Corwall away fom the country and let it drift off into the sea. What about the tens of thousands of people who are born there and have no choice as to where they live?
Considering the tourism generated down there, the CC do seem a little backward at times. All for the sake of a fiver that most passengers would be more than willing to pay to visit some of the most beautiful countryside england has to offer.
I was born here. I've grown up with people saying if we want to make it in the world we have to move away, leave our familes, the beautiful place we live in - just to make a wage that would enable us to get a mortgage?
I'm not sure you appreciate the scale of the problem down here Kea.
Don't go at all then. If your morals dictate that you're against air travel then it's hypocritical to use it at all IMVVHOAre you being intentionally dense here?
I'm against air travel when there are - for the third time - reasonable transport alternatives available.
Dubversion
01-09-2005, 13:07
oh jesus. :rolleyes:
while i appreciate that madzone's lot might be slightly better than others in even less well provided for areas, i still think she's entitled to have a moan about it without being ripped to fucking shreds. or am i missing something?
And if we all thought like that we may as well cut Corwall away fom the country and let it drift off into the sea. What about the tens of thousands of people who are born there and have no choice as to where they live?
Considering the tourism generated down there, the CC do seem a little backward at times. All for the sake of a fiver that most passengers would be more than willing to pay to visit some of the most beautiful countryside england has to offer.
oh do't be so overdramatic for christ's sakes, i'm not arguing for the removal of all public transport links to cornwall, i'm simply pointing out that it's a bit unrealistic for someone from rural cornwall to expect air travel to facilitate them paying a one night visit to london when they feel like it!
I was born here. I've grown up with people saying if we want to make it in the world we have to move away, leave our familes, the beautiful place we live in - just to make a wage that would enable us to get a mortgage?
I'm not sure you appreciate the scale of the problem down here Kea.
what does any of that (i have written articles about the economy and housing situation in cornwall madzone, i'm not a total twat) have to do with the fact that ryanair isnt' facilitating your one-night stop over in london?
while i appreciate that madzone's lot might be slightly better than others in even less well provided for areas, i still think she's entitled to have a moan about it without being ripped to fucking shreds. or am i missing something?If she's going to post up her moans, folks are entitled to react and comment to them.
That's how this here interwebby board thing works, innit?
what does any of that (i have written articles about the economy and housing situation in cornwall madzone, i'm not a total twat) have to do with the fact that ryanair isnt' facilitating your one-night stop over in london?
Because it's part of the wider assumption that we somehow have to be happy being 3rd class citizens in terms of any kind of provisions (be it transport, education, employment) and what's more we should be ahppy about it becasue we're lucky enough to live by the beach.
Dubversion
01-09-2005, 13:17
at the editor: yeh, but come on.
for every moan, there will be a counter-moan, life's complicated. are you telling me you've never moaned and bitched on here about something that's pissed you off that actually has another side to the story you've not taken into account? it's just human nature, and it just seems like people are queueing up to have a pop over something which - the broader transport / socio-economic picture aside - must be fucking irritating
Are you being intentionally dense here?
Oh here we go :rolleyes:
It's your toy so you get to talk to people like they're shit.
Because it's part of the wider assumption that we somehow have to be happy being 3rd class citizens in terms of any kind of provisions (be it transport, education, employment) and what's more we should be ahppy about it becasue we're lucky enough to live by the beach.
how does 'only' one ryanair flight a day make you and other cornish people '3rd class citizens'?
edit: i want to visit cornwall. there's only one ryanair flight a day! does that make me a 3rd class citizen as well??
oh jesus. :rolleyes:
while i appreciate that madzone's lot might be slightly better than others in even less well provided for areas, i still think she's entitled to have a moan about it without being ripped to fucking shreds. or am i missing something?
She's hardly been ripped to shreds. One or two people have pointed out that it's not really realistic to expect to live at the far end of the country and throw a tantrum if you can't get plane travel on demand to go and see a show in London for the night.
Because it's part of the wider assumption that we somehow have to be happy being 3rd class citizens in terms of any kind of provisions (be it transport, education, employment) and what's more we should be ahppy about it becasue we're lucky enough to live by the beach."Third class citizens"? WTF?
Err, many, many towns don't enjoy Newquay's connectivity:
By Air
Newquay Airport has daily flights to and from London Gatwick and London stansted airports connecting with national and international flights. Contact Ryanair on +44 (0)871 2460000 www.ryanair.com and Air South West on +44 (0)870 2418202 www.airsouthwest.com
By Rail
Regular Saturday services run from London, the Midlands, Northern England and Scotland. These services are provided by Virgin, First Great Western and Wessex Trains. For further details contact the National Rail Enquiry Bureau on +44 (0)845 7484950.
By Coach
Daily coaches commute from London and throughout the country direct into Newquay town centre. Contact Travel Line Southwest on 08706 082608 or National Express on 08705 808080 for details.
Local Bus Services
First National provides a wide range of services all across Cornwall. For details of bus times and routes contact the Traveline on 0870 608 2608
Western Greyhound operate a local bus service throughout Cornwall. The company also offer day excursions and coach hire. For details of areas services and print out timetables, visit westerngreyhound.com or contact them direct on 01637 871871.
By Road
From the M5 - shortly after Exeter - join the A30. Continue on the A30 which takes you to approximately 7 miles from Newquay. Take the A392 which leads directly into town.
By Sea
From the Ferryport at Plymouth approximately 50 miles away. Follow the A38 via Liskeard and then the A30 which takes you to approx 7 miles from Newquay. Take the A392 which leads directly into town.
It's your toy so you get to talk to people like they're shit.Oh yes, That's actually what I'm doing, isn't it?
:rolleyes:
If you keep trying to intentionally misrepresent my words, I've every right to correct you.
How many times do I have to keep repeating what I actually said before it sinks in?
Ah fuck it. I'm today's sacrificial sheep :D
There's more to Cornwall than you can see on a fold up bike you know. Some of us actually live here. You keep coming down and looking at cornwall through your rose tinted specs but don't be surprised if I run you over in my 4x4 :)
but don't be surprised if I run you over in my 4x4 :)
Why not drive to Exeter in your 4x4 and catch a plane from there?
Why not drive to Exeter in your 4x4 and catch a plane from there?
:rolleyes:
Ah fuck it. I'm today's sacrificial sheep :D
There's more to Cornwall than you can see on a fold up bike you know. Some of us actually live here. You keep coming down and looking at cornwall through your rose tinted specs but don't be surprised if I run you over in my 4x4 :)
ie. 'i don't have an answer'.
There's more to Cornwall than you can see on a fold up bike you know. Some of us actually live here. You keep coming down and looking at cornwall through your rose tinted specs but don't be surprised if I run you over in my 4x4 I've been going to Cornwall since before you were born and I've only ever been on a folding bike once. And you can shove you patronising "rose tinted specs" comments right up your landing pad.
I'm more than aware of the socio-economic problems facing Cornwall, thanks. They aren't a great deal different to the kind of problems faced in my home country.
If you really care for your area, you should be grateful that people like me aren't put off by the lack of a polluting air service and use environmentally sound means of getting there and then getting about the area.
incidentally, there are other airlines which also fly from cornwall to london, including -
http://www.airsouthwest.com/newquay-london.shtml
4 flights a day, every day of the week!!
Why not drive to Exeter in your 4x4 and catch a plane from there?Or even - gasp! - get a train to Plymouth and catch a plan from there?
incidentally, there are other airlines which also fly from cornwall to london, including -
http://www.airsouthwest.com/newquay-london.shtml
4 flights a day, every day of the week!!
how dare you provide facts that might get in the way of a good old bout of cornish whinging!
Or Use Another Airline As My Post Above Demonstrates!!!!
edit: the airport website also has flights by bmibaby, monarch and skybus incidentally.
edit: the airport website also has flights by bmibaby, monarch and skybus incidentally.I'm beginning to feel sorry for the those poor "third class citizens" nearby who must have to put up with the endless racket and the pollution from all these flights taking off from Newquay!
not to mention the rumble of trains as they roll back and forth across the cornish countryside! oh and the national express buses ... why it must be the most incommunicado outpost in the whole british empire :( :(
((((((((((poor cornish people)))))))))))))
I've been going to Cornwall since before you were born
How is that possible? :eek:
incidentally, there are other airlines which also fly from cornwall to london, including -
http://www.airsouthwest.com/newquay-london.shtml
4 flights a day, every day of the week!!
Quite right Kea. The cheapest ticket being £56 pp each way. Somewhat more expensive than Ryanair's £5 a each way :)
ie. 'i don't have an answer'.
*hands up* No, I don't have an answer Kea. I post a small moan, fuelled by disappointment at not being able to go on the trip I planned, which then turns into a smug London fuckers versus the yokels bitchfest.
Quite right Kea. The cheapest ticket being £56 pp each way. Somewhat more expensive than Ryanair's £5 a each way :)
ah ok so it's not that there's only one flight a day you're complaining about, it's that the flights aren't cheap enough for you?
not to mention the rumble of trains as they roll back and forth across the cornish countryside! oh and the national express buses ... why it must be the most incommunicado outpost in the whole british empire :( :(
((((((((((poor cornish people)))))))))))))
Yeah, lets hop on the coach that takes 12 hrs to get to London. What am I thinking of? 1 hr each way on the plane versus 12 hrs each way on the coach - what on earth am I moaning about?
It's a terrible state of affairs when a farmer from one of the furthest reaches of the British mainland can't get to go for a night out in the West End for less than 10 quid by plane. It's no wonder farming's in decline
ah ok so it's not that there's only one flight a day you're complaining about, it's that the flights aren't cheap enough for you?
The plane provided a vaible alternative to train travel at that cost.
*Checks to see if she's grown whiskers and a tail and a strange liking for cheese*
It's a terrible state of affairs when a farmer from one of the furthest reaches of the British mainland can't get to go for a night out in the West End for less than 10 quid by plane. It's no wonder farming's in decline
I'm not a farmer..
Ohhh I love it when all the urban inadequates smell blood :D
I've been going to Cornwall since before you were born and I've only ever been on a folding bike once. And you can shove you patronising "rose tinted specs" comments right up your landing pad.
I'm more than aware of the socio-economic problems facing Cornwall, thanks. They aren't a great deal different to the kind of problems faced in my home country.
If you really care for your area, you should be grateful that people like me aren't put off by the lack of a polluting air service and use environmentally sound means of getting there and then getting about the area.
I'll be grateful for people like you coming to cornwall when hell freezes over :)
I'm 40 - how old are you?
oh do't be so overdramatic for christ's sakes, i'm not arguing for the removal of all public transport links to cornwall, i'm simply pointing out that it's a bit unrealistic for someone from rural cornwall to expect air travel to facilitate them paying a one night visit to london when they feel like it!
Why is it unrealistic? It was in place until very recently. If there was no such thing previoulsy I'd be on your side but the point is that a service that many have come to rely on has been removed without due conslutation of the very users of the service.
I'm not a farmer..
Ohhh I love it when all the urban inadequates smell blood :D
Blood? No, it was shit I smelt someone talking
is that urban with a big U or a little one? Cos it's semi rural and 250 miles from London here
Why is it unrealistic? It was in place until very recently. If there was no such thing previoulsy I'd be on your side but the point is that a service that many have come to rely on has been removed without due conslutation of the very users of the service.
Thank you very much :)
Blood? No, it was shit I smelt someone talking
is that urban with a big U or a little one? Cos it's semi rural and 250 miles from London here
So, if you had been using a service for a couple of years which was convenient and viable cost wise you wouldn't be pissed off if somoene removed it just as you had a trip planned and trebled your travellling time for more cost thus making the trip unviable?
Why is it unrealistic? It was in place until very recently. If there was no such thing previoulsy I'd be on your side but the point is that a service that many have come to rely on has been removed without due conslutation of the very users of the service.
Oh come on! Nobody here is talking about relying on anything. It's not like a life or death thing. One person is whinging cos they can't get exactly what they want - ie a dirt cheap return fare to London at the precise time of day they like for a pleasure trip in a time frame which is pretty unrealistic given the distance they have to travel.
As people have pointed out there are other airlines and other means of transport and they could try and do something about the time they have to spend away.
The plane provided a vaible alternative to train travel at that cost.
yes but SHOULD IT? that, my little yokel, is what i am getting at.
Why is it unrealistic? It was in place until very recently. If there was no such thing previoulsy I'd be on your side but the point is that a service that many have come to rely on has been removed without due conslutation of the very users of the service.
are low-cost short-haul flights a 'service'? i don't think so. if you think they're a community service presumably you'd approve of ryanair being given public subsidy to keep them going, in the same way that the rail network receives public subsidy because of its community benefits?
yes but SHOULD IT? that, my little yokel, is what i am getting at.
SHOULD there be any air travel at all? That's a stupid point. There was a service and now it's been stopped. You'd be pissed off if it happened to you.
So, if you had been using a service for a couple of years which was convenient and viable cost wise you wouldn't be pissed off if somoene removed it just as you had a trip planned and trebled your travellling time for more cost thus making the trip unviable?
Yeah, I would. Had you actually booked?
What's wrong with the other airline exactly?
are low-cost short-haul flights a 'service'? i don't think so. if you think they're a community service presumably you'd approve of ryanair being given public subsidy to keep them going, in the same way that the rail network receives public subsidy because of its community benefits?
Maybe there should be no internal flights at all then. Let's campaign for that.
By service I mean as in bus service, rail service. I'm not insinuating it's a right. I'm sure Jangla isn't either.
Yeah, I would. Had you actually booked?
What's wrong with the other airline exactly?
I wasn't booking till the end of this week as I'm waiting for hotel vouchers to come through.
The other service is too expensive. It'll work out at nearly 300 quid.
Dubversion
01-09-2005, 13:59
so are people telling me that if they made use of a service which was then withdrawn - even for good reasons - rather than go 'oh bugger' and moan about it, they would carefully consider the entire socio-economic question and just live with it?
bollocks, frankly
are low-cost short-haul flights a 'service'? i don't think so. if you think they're a community service presumably you'd approve of ryanair being given public subsidy to keep them going, in the same way that the rail network receives public subsidy because of its community benefits?
If you'd spent as many hours as I have on the A-friggin-303 then , yes, it's a service :D And this entire thread is about a subsidy (paid by the public) to keep it going, which CC took upon themselves to decide - so yes again.
If you'd spent as many hours as I have on the A-friggin-303 then , yes, it's a service :D And this entire thread is about a subsidy (paid by the public) to keep it going - so yes again.
It fucking is subsidised isn't it?? I forgot about that.
so are people telling me that if they made use of a service which was then withdrawn - even for good reasons - rather than go 'oh bugger' and moan about it, they would carefully consider the entire socio-economic question and just live with it?
bollocks, frankly
hehe, here's Dubversion with the counter-counterpoint. Urban's such a giggle sometimes
SHOULD there be any air travel at all? That's a stupid point.
no, that's not what i asked. what i asked was, should there be cheap short haul flights? i think no, because i think that flight prices should reflect all the costs including the environmental. short haul flights in particular involve a large amount of environmental damage proportional to their result, especially given that there are other travel options such as trains.
therefore no, i don't think it's your god-given right to have cheap short haul flights - preferably more than one a day - from cornwall to london. i think you should get the train.
And this entire thread is about a subsidy (paid by the public) to keep it going, which CC took upon themselves to decide - so yes again.
you think it's the right thing to do, to spend government money paying for cheap short-haul flights? blimey.
I wasn't booking till the end of this week as I'm waiting for hotel vouchers to come through.
The other service is too expensive. It'll work out at nearly 300 quid.
Looks like the train then? Often (I did Leeds to Exeter by plane the other week) it doesn't work out that much longer on the train if you take into account check in time, baggage collection, travel to and from airport. It's just easier on the plane
no, that's not what i asked. what i asked was, should there be cheap short haul flights? i think no, because i think that flight prices should reflect all the costs including the environmental. short haul flights in particular involve a large amount of environmental damage proportional to their result, especially given that there are other travel options such as trains.
therefore no, i don't think it's your god-given right to have cheap short haul flights - preferably more than one a day - from cornwall to london. i think you should get the train.
I've never said it's my god given right? :confused:
I've said I'm pissed off that my trip has been fucked up.
And if it's not my right to have cheap, short haul flights I take it you've never flown to Europe?
Looks like the train then? Often (I did Leeds to Exeter by plane the other week) it doesn't work out that much longer on the train if you take into account check in time, baggage collection, travel to and from airport. It's just easier on the plane
It's much quicker. You're in London (liverpool St) by 11am as ooposed to 2.30pm. With all due respect if you haven't done the trip you can't know what you're talking about. AND it's explained at the beginning of the thread why the train is an unsuitable option.
Dubversion
01-09-2005, 14:05
:mad: I don't know if I'm more pissed off with Ryanair or Cornwall CC but they've had a tiff over a £5 passenger tax which the council wanted to charge Ryanair.
Why did they have to do that when I'm supposed to be going away? That's really fucked us up :mad:
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news.php?yr=05&month=aug&story=rte-en-310805
i thought it might be worth reposting the original thread starter. read it again. it's someone that's pissed off about an air route being reduced. that's all.
it's just human nature, surely, to be miffed about that?
if they stopped selling Red Stripe in my local offlicence i'd be pissed off. further investigation might reveal that there were sound reasons, and of course i could always drink Grolsch. but i bet i'll still moan about it.
po-faced fuckers
"Third class citizens"? WTF?
Err, many, many towns don't enjoy Newquay's connectivity:
Err, I don't live in Newquay :D
i thought it might be worth reposting the original thread starter. read it again. it's someone that's pissed off about an air route being reduced. that's all.
it's just human nature, surely, to be miffed about that?
if they stopped selling Red Stripe in my local offlicence i'd be pissed off. further investigation might reveal that there were sound reasons, and of course i could always drink Grolsch. but i bet i'll still moan about it.
po-faced fuckers
*passes dub a tin of red stripe*
Anyway, I reckon there's just a couple of bored people on Urban today and I've provided a short diversion for them to flex their po faces and vent some spleen.
I'll be grateful for people like you coming to cornwall when hell freezes over Fuck you then.
Seems that your "concern" is purely selfish.
Fuck you then.
Seems that your "concern" is purely selfish.
:D
I've never hidden my hatred of tourists.
And I've NEVER said my concern was anything BUT selfish.
BTW Kea I can fly with Monarch - you're quite right - only trouble is I don't want to go to Malaga :D
I've never said it's my god given right? :confused:
I've said I'm pissed off that my trip has been fucked up.
and as i've said, i'm sorry to hear that. it's clearly bad timing and it's unfortunate. what i was taking issue with, however, was your later posts, not your first post. in your later posts you said - "why shouldn't we have the same travel options as other people?" and asserted that you were being treated like '3rd class citizens'. that is what i am disputing.
I've never hidden my hatred of tourists.So you hate the very people that help keep Cornwall provided with public transport and many of its inhabitants in employment?
What a strange outlook.
BTW Kea I can fly with Monarch - you're quite right - only trouble is I don't want to go to Malaga :D
you should, the weather's better!
So you hate the very people that help keep Cornwall provided with public transport?
What a strange outlook.
So an area can only have a public transport infrastructure for people who don't live there? What a strange idea.
you should, the weather's better!
And the people are less grumpy :p
are planes 'public transport infrastructure'?
if you're on the scilly isles, perhaps ...
and as i've said, i'm sorry to hear that. it's clearly bad timing and it's unfortunate. what i was taking issue with, however, was your later posts, not your first post. in your later posts you said - "why shouldn't we have the same travel options as other people?" and asserted that you were being treated like '3rd class citizens'. that is what i am disputing.
But - own pissed offness aside - why shouldn't we have the same opportunities as other places?
And the people are less grumpy :p
we're not grumpy, just anti-yokel - you lot don't walk fast enough down the street when you're visiting town. oh and you don't stand on the right of the escalator. :p
are planes 'public transport infrastructure'?
if you're on the scilly isles, perhaps ...
Ed said about tourists being the reason our public transport was kept going. The plane service is used as much, maybe more by business people and poeple travelling to work than tourists.
But - own pissed offness aside - why shouldn't we have the same opportunities as other places?
this is what i don't understand. by the looks of it you have very good travel opportunities, with several planes a day of which at least one is jolly cheap. plus train, sleeper, coaches, etc etc. what other places are you talking about?
Ed said about tourists being the reason our public transport was kept going. The plane service is used as much, maybe more by business people and poeple travelling to work than tourists.
yeah and in the case of cornwall i accept that but i wouldn't class it as 'public transport', i know it's pickyness but i wouldn't.
we're not grumpy, just anti-yokel - you lot don't walk fast enough down the street when you're visiting town. oh and you don't stand on the right of the escalator. :p
I wouldn't put my sensitive feet on your stinking streets love - I get carried around ina sedan chair when I'm there . And escalator?! How common :p
*passes dub a tin of red stripe*
Anyway, I reckon there's just a couple of bored people on Urban today and I've provided a short diversion for them to flex their po faces and vent some spleen.
Soz, maybe we should've all queud up to give you big ((((((()))))))s
I wasn't bored. I just found it staggering that you were so surprised that you couldn't shoot up to London to catch a show from one of the extremities of the British Isles in such a ridiculously short time window. It came across to me as a self-centred temper tantrum, especially when all the Cornish persecuton complex stuff appeared in your second post
yeah and in the case of cornwall i accept that but i wouldn't class it as 'public transport', i know it's pickyness but i wouldn't.
I was talking about transport in general, kea - now I've forgotten what I was saying! :mad: Bully
Ahh yes - it came about from me saying I hate tourists ( which I do , with a passion) and Ed started talking about public transport. Blame him :)
Soz, maybe we should've all queud up to give you big ((((((()))))))s
I wasn't bored. I just found it staggering that you were so surprised that you couldn't shoot up to London to catch a show from one of the extremities of the British Isles in such a ridiculously short time window. It came across to me as a self-centred temper tantrum, especially when all the Cornish persecuton complex stuff appeared in your second post
But I could, until ryanair had a hissy fit.
i think that flight prices should reflect all the costs including the environmental. short haul flights in particular involve a large amount of environmental damage proportional to their result
How do you get to Greece when you go on holiday with mummy and daddy?
now I've forgotten what I was saying! :mad: Bully
:D aha my method worked :cool:
<goes off to find some newbies to tread on>
How do you get to Greece when you go on holiday with mummy and daddy?
i swam, geri.
and i call them mum and dad these days, not being 5 years old any more.
do you think, incidentally, that flying to another country which would take over 24 hours on a train is comparable to getting from one part of the country to another, which takes iirc 4 to 5 hours by train? seems a minor difference in magnitude to me.
:D aha my method worked :cool:
<goes off to find some newbies to tread on>
Read the edit bitch ;)
*blows smoke off end of revovlver*
You know I'm not really saying you're a bitch don't you? I'm just trying to be hard :D
Dubversion
01-09-2005, 14:22
christ.
and another seemingly innocent thread collapses into fucking nastiness.
i swam, geri.
and i call them mum and dad these days, not being 5 years old any more.
do you think, incidentally, that flying to another country which would take over 24 hours on a train is comparable to getting from one part of the country to another, which takes iirc 4 to 5 hours by train? seems a minor difference in magnitude to me.
Well yeah, I think it's relative. Why shouldn't the longer travelling hours be taken into consideration by poeple travelling to Greece? My travelling time has trebled. 12 hrs is how long it takes me to get to London on the coach.
Why can't they get a sleeper like I've been told to do?
christ.
and another seemingly innocent thread collapses into fucking nastiness.
Mine was a joke dub - kea will know that.
You know I'm not really saying you're a bitch don't you? I'm just trying to be hard :D
i know. it doesn't work tho cos i know you actually look like this -
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00006JI3G.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
12 hrs is how long it takes me to get to London on the coach.
or 4-5 hours on the train. or overnight on the sleeper. i know that's no good to your personal circumstances and that's a shame but i don't think it makes a strong enough case to justify your argument tbh.
edit: re: greece sleeper - if there was a train i could get from london to corfu town overnight that would be great (as i'm a bit scared of flying :o ). i think the snowtrain is the best invention ever. however, afaik there isn't one. if anyone wants to do battle with european rail timetables and find one for me, that would be great. geri?
or 4-5 hours on the train. or overnight on the sleeper. i know that's no good to your personal circumstances and that's a shame but i don't think it makes a strong enough case to justify your argument tbh.
But people can get to greece in the time it takes me to get to London!
Why shouldn't it take 24 hrs on the train to get to Greece? I don't think it justifies flying if you can get there by train.
edit: re: greece sleeper - if there was a train i could get from london to corfu town overnight that would be great (as i'm a bit scared of flying :o ). i think the snowtrain is the best invention ever. however, afaik there isn't one. if anyone wants to do battle with european rail timetables and find one for me, that would be great. geri?
But by the arguments that have been posted towards me, you have no right to expect to be able to fly to Greece.
If it's tricky to plan that's just too bad.
i swam, geri.
and i call them mum and dad these days, not being 5 years old any more.
do you think, incidentally, that flying to another country which would take over 24 hours on a train is comparable to getting from one part of the country to another, which takes iirc 4 to 5 hours by train? seems a minor difference in magnitude to me.
Its a fair point though. Your concern with the environment doesn't stop you going on holiday.
I know of someone who simply won't use planes because of the environmental damage they cause.
Anyway.. the train journey from Cornwall's quite I nice one IMHO.. Wouldn't use a coach in a million years..
Anyway.. the train journey from Cornwall's quite I nice one IMHO.. Wouldn't use a coach in a million years..
It depends why you're doing it. It loses it's novelty when you've done it since you were small.
But by the arguments that have been posted towards me, you have no right to expect to be able to fly to Greece.
If it's tricky to plan that's just too bad.
there was one flight to corfu on the day i was going. it wasn't on the most convenient day for me, either - there aren't flights everyday. but i wanted to go so i fitted my schedule around it, i got up very early to get the inconveniently-timed flight, and i went for a week in order to make the length of journey seem worthwhile.
as i've said above, it's not a destination to which train links are do-able (afaik).
you want to go to london by plane, for one night, from a place which has multiple alternatives to your chosen means of travel. i think it's not a comparable situation.
you CAN go for a night by plane but you don't want to pay for it.
you CAN go by train but it takes a bit longer and you don't like that either.
you COULD choose to go for longer, but that doesn't fit in with the rest of your life.
you COULD get the inconveniently-timed flights but those don't suit your exact plans.
can you see where i'm going with this?
soemthing's got to give.
none of the transport available to you fits in with your plans/wishes and that's a shame but i think you're being unreasonable in expecting it to.
Its a fair point though. Your concern with the environment doesn't stop you going on holiday.
my disagreement with madzone isn't based on 'concern for the environment' hollis, it's because it seems to me that she's expecting the unreasonable.
there was one flight to corfu on the day i was going. it wasn't on the most convenient day for me, either - there aren't flights everyday. but i wanted to go so i fitted my schedule around it, i got up very early to get the inconveniently-timed flight, and i went for a week in order to make the length of journey seem worthwhile.
as i've said above, it's not a destination to which train links are do-able (afaik).
you want to go to london by plane, for one night, from a place which has multiple alternatives to your chosen means of travel. i think it's not a comparable situation.
you CAN go for a night by plane but you don't want to pay for it.
you CAN go by train but it takes a bit longer and you don't like that either.
you COULD choose to go for longer, but that doesn't fit in with the rest of your life.
you COULD get the inconveniently-timed flights but those don't suit your exact plans.
can you see where i'm going with this?
I can see where you're going with it. It's ok for you but not for me. You want to go to Corfu so it's right that there's a conveneint service to get you there. I want to go to London and I'm not allowed to be pissed off that they've removed the most conveneint service we had.That's the whole ethos towards people in rural areas. I don't agree with your argument about Corfu. You talk about my plans as if they're all wants and wishes whilst yours are needs. It's city mentality through and through. We come up against it all the time down here.
''If you don't like it you shouldn't live there''
Dubversion
01-09-2005, 14:40
my disagreement with madzone isn't based on 'concern for the environment' hollis, it's because it seems to me that she's expecting the unreasonable.
surely the point is that until this recent change, it wasn't unreasonable? it was in fact entirely possible. any change like that will irk people surely, regardless of the justifications?
Ground Elder
01-09-2005, 14:41
That's (http://timetables.showbus.co.uk/swest.htm) the problem (http://www.cornwalls.co.uk/arts_and_crafts/theatre/in-Camborne.htm) solved (http://www.information-britain.co.uk/showPlace.cfm?Place_ID=3654) :cool:
Except that they are short of theatres :(
surely the point is that until this recent change, it wasn't unreasonable? it was in fact entirely possible. any change like that will irk people surely, regardless of the justifications?
That's the central point that people seem to be missing.
you think it's the right thing to do, to spend government money paying for cheap short-haul flights? blimey.
Dont put words in my...er..post :D I said that the argument was derived from the public being asked to pay a subsidy and rather than consult, CC took the decision for them.
That's (http://timetables.showbus.co.uk/swest.htm) the problem (http://www.cornwalls.co.uk/arts_and_crafts/theatre/in-Camborne.htm) solved (http://www.information-britain.co.uk/showPlace.cfm?Place_ID=3654) :cool:
Except that they are short of theatres :(
The whole place is a fucking theatre :)
You know I'm banned from Camborne
no madzone, my desire to go on holiday to corfu is not a need, it's a desire. one which i know i must fit with the schedules and transport methods available to me. hence i compromise when i go, how i go, etc. i actually love sleeper trains. if i could get to corfu by sleeper i would much prefer to. i am hoping geri has gone quiet cos she's off finding out about sleepers for me.
i'm going to edinburgh for work soon, incidentally. everyone else in the company flies there and thinks i'm mad for getting the train. i choose the train cos i prefer train travel, i don't believe there's that much of a time difference, and it's more environmentally friendly. i did the same when i was down in cornwall for work a few months ago.
my disagreement with madzone isn't based on 'concern for the environment'
Then why did you bring it up?
no madzone, my desire to go on holiday to corfu is not a need, it's a desire. one which i know i must fit with the schedules and transport methods available to me. hence i compromise when i go, how i go, etc. i actually love sleeper trains. if i could get to corfu by sleeper i would much prefer to. i am hoping geri has gone quiet cos she's off finding out about sleepers for me.
i'm going to edinburgh for work soon, incidentally. everyone else in the company flies there and thinks i'm mad for getting the train. i choose the train cos i prefer train travel, i don't believe there's that much of a time difference, and it's more environmentally friendly. i did the same when i was down in cornwall for work a few months ago.
You're only seeing things from your own perspective Kea.
I said that the argument was derived from the public being asked to pay a subsidy and rather than consult, CC took the decision for them.
i would have no problem with the public in cornwall choosing whether to pay a subsidy to keep the flights going (as long as the subsidy reflected the true full costs involved).
i would have no problem with the public in cornwall choosing whether to pay a subsidy to keep the flights going (as long as the subsidy reflected the true full costs involved).
But that's the point. We weren't asked. I'm all for taxing the fuck out of people who come down here and push up our water bills and hospital running charges. As for 2nd home owners don't even start me on them :)
You're only seeing things from your own perspective Kea.
rofl, says you!!! you're having a hissy fit cos flights were cut back from cornwall to bloody london forchrissakes!
Dubversion
01-09-2005, 14:45
rofl, says you!!! you're having a hissy fit cos flights were cut back from cornwall to bloody london forchrissakes!
are you telling me that in madzone's situation you wouldn't have been even a bit pissed off?
So an area can only have a public transport infrastructure for people who don't live there? <bangs head against desk>
Tourism in Cornwall pumps a huge amount of money in the local transport infrastructure. Without that money coming in, there's be less of an economic case for retaining the rail service.
Without that local rail service, less people would be likely to visit the area and thus deprive the local economy of much-needed cash.
Despite your hatred of people who dare visit your corner of the world, I trust you now appreciate their contribution to your local services.
<bangs head against desk>
Tourism in Cornwall pumps a huge amount of money in the local transport infrastructure. Without that money coming in, there's be less of an economic case for retaining the rail service.
Without that local rail service, less people would be likely to visit the area and thus deprive the local economy of much-needed cash.
Despite your hatred of people who dare visit your corner of the world, I trust you now appreciate their contribution to your local services.
No - because they end up costing the county money in increased running costs for public services. Tourists don't use public transport. You might use the train to get here but the majority drive. Mianly because it's so fucking hard to get anywhere once you're here.
But that's the point. We weren't asked.
there are a few issues here. one is that it's a private company not a publicly provided service, so there is a question of the degree to which their services should be open to control by local government. if the residents of cornwall think it should be a publicly provided service that's fine, i have no problems with that (other than cost as mentioned). that can be done either by subsidy of the existing private company or by a wholly public-run service being set up. that's fine, local people can decide that and i fully agree with you that if local people want this service to be provided and are willing to pay for it, then it should go ahead, that's your (collective) choice.
perhaps local government feels that the existing transport links are sufficient? what's their argument on this, have they said anything?
But - own pissed offness aside - why shouldn't we have the same opportunities as other places?So you think that every small town in the UK should come equipped with its own airport offering a wide range of cheap flights then?
So you think that every small town in the UK should come equipped with its own airport offering a wide range of cheap flights then?
*bangs head on eds desk*
I'm talking in a broader sense as you well know :)
And if a place has a small airport which is of benefit to the local community then it should be kept. (environmental issues aside)
there are a few issues here. one is that it's a private company not a publicly provided service, so there is a question of the degree to which their services should be open to control by local government. if the residents of cornwall think it should be a publicly provided service that's fine, i have no problems with that (other than cost as mentioned). that can be done either by subsidy of the existing private company or by a wholly public-run service being set up. that's fine, local people can decide that and i fully agree with you that if local people want this service to be provided and are willing to pay for it, then it should go ahead, that's your (collective) choice.
perhaps local government feels that the existing transport links are sufficient? what's their argument on this, have they said anything?
It's a complicated issue because it's a military airport. I haven't kept up with the ins and outs of it but a lot of is to do with airport maintenance I think
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/4137732.stm
can you explain that a bit more? don't understand.
edit: ah ok so ryanair have cut their flights cos a levy is being imposed because of maintenance costs?
Tourists don't use public transport. What?
I suggest you visit the St Erth to St Ives line before repeating such a daft statement.
When was the last time you used it?
Malcolm Bell, Chief Executive of South West Tourism said: "It is great to see initiative and vision for the South West. Quality transport infrastructure is vital for our future prosperity. A high speed rail link would significantly improve access to the South West and would mean that the tourist industry here could really capitalise on the trend towards more frequent short breaks throughout the year. Truly integrated high speed rail connections which encourage people to leave their cars at home would reduce the current peak season road congestion – good news for the people of the South West and the tourist industry."
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/news/release.php?item=29
What?
I suggest you visit the St Erth to St Ives line before repeating such a daft statement.
When was the last time you used it?
The st erth to st ives line is used becasue it's a beautiful train journey in and of itself. People aren't using it to get from A-B. I find it really amusing when you start telling me how the place I live in 2 4/7 365 days a year functions :D
That article just states how useful fast links would be, it doesn't say it's used now.
Have you ever driven ina nd out of Cornwall? We have 15 mile long tailbacks both ways. If they're all on public transport why would the roads be so busy.
Is there any other county in UK which doesn't have an aiprort?
what do you mean 'any other'? you DO have an airport.
edit: map of uk airports -
http://www.a2btravel.com/airports/
can you explain that a bit more? don't understand.
edit: ah ok so ryanair have cut their flights cos a levy is being imposed because of maintenance costs?
I think so. The MoD have been footing the bill for maintenance by the sound of it and they leave the airport in 2007
what do you mean 'any other'? you DO have an airport.
Only because it's a military airbase. We don't have a custom built air terminal. Are there any other counties where the only aiprort has come about through MoD allowing it to be used?
but you have passenger flights. and the mod are leaving in 2007 so then it will be fully passenger no?
but you have passenger flights. and the mod are leaving in 2007 so then it will be fully passenger no?
Picky - you know what I mean. We don't have a proper university either. We have to borrow some from Devon.
The st erth to st ives line is used becasue it's a beautiful train journey in and of itself. Err, you claimed that, "Tourists don't use public transport."
You were wrong.
When was the last time you used the service?
Picky - you know what I mean. We don't have a proper university either. We have to borrow some from Devon.
no, i think it's picky to say that you don't have a proper airport, when you clearly have a fully functioning one.
no, i think it's picky to say that you don't have a proper airport, when you clearly have a fully functioning one.
*sigh*
Is there any other county in UK which doesn't have an aiprort?Loads. Try looking at rural Wales and try to find the commercial airports for starters.
And then look around mid Wales.
And north Wales.
And west Wales.
etc etc
Picky - you know what I mean. We don't have a proper university either. We have to borrow some from Devon.
Loads of counties in the UK - probably the majority - don't have universities or scheduled passenger flights. Why is Cornwall so special among these rural counties that it should have them?
From what I can see on the RyanAir website there are at least two flights a day at the moment... With the introduction of the £5 charge they're going to only have one flight a day. Whats the problem with that...? How many zillions of people travel the distance there and back in a day...?
Err, you claimed that, "Tourists don't use public transport."
You were wrong.
When was the last time you used the service?
I took the kids on it last year. I don't use it for standard travel (no-one does) because I would have to drive to lelant or carbis bay to get on it when I can drive to St Ives in 5 minutes. It's a scenic railway in all but name.
*Hands ed a straw so he doesn't have to hurt his hands clutching at them*
Loads. Try looking at rural Wales and try to find the commercial airports for starters.
And then look around mid Wales.
And north Wales.
And west Wales.
etc etc
It was a genuine question. No need to get your boxers in a lather.
From what I can see on the RyanAir website there are at least two flights a day at the moment... With the introduction of the £5 charge they're going to only have one flight a day. Whats the problem with that...? How many zillions of people travel the distance there and back in a day...?
Locals doing Christmas shopping, people doing day trips to London to see friends, or to hit the shops. It's viable on the airoplane you see jaed, whereas it's an 11 hr round trip on the train or in the car. On the aeroplane you're in London by 11am and don't come back until 8pm or so at night.
Loads of counties in the UK - probably the majority - don't have universities or scheduled passenger flights. Why is Cornwall so special among these rural counties that it should have them?
Geography has a part to play in it. We've got water on 3 sides of us. So, whereas someone in another county may have other adjacent counties to tap into we only have Devon. I'm as far away from Devon as you can get.
Locals doing Christmas shopping, people doing day trips to London to see friends, or to hit the shops. It's viable on the airoplane you see jaed, whereas it's an 11 hr round trip on the train or in the car. On the aeroplane you're in London by 11am and don't come back until 8pm or so at night.
yes and that's very nice but is it actually necessary? i mean, there are plenty of cities between cornwall and london in which you could do your christmas shopping aren't there? coming into london isn't actually a necessity for life, is it? it's a luxury (or not, depending on your opinion of the place ;) )
yes and that's very nice but is it actually necessary? i mean, there are plenty of cities between cornwall and london in which you could do your christmas shopping aren't there? coming into london isn't actually a necessity for life, is it? it's a luxury (or not, depending on your opinion of the place ;) )
Choice kea, choice. People in cities seem to feel that choice is their right whilst us bumpkins should be content with limits.
I took the kids on it last year. I don't use it for standard travel (no-one does) because I would have to drive to lelant or carbis bay to get on it when I can drive to St Ives in 5 minutes. It's a scenic railway in all but name. So when you made the emphatic claim that "Tourists don't use public transport" what you actually meant was "Tourists don't use public transport, except the ones who pack on to the St Ives line to, err, purely admire the "scenic railway", yes?
That's rather strange because I could have sworn I saw lots of holidaying families clutching beach towels and the like on the train. Were they planning on having a paddle on the train, do you think?
In fact, I could have sworn I was talking to a tourist in the Sloop Inn who told me that - like us - he'd caught the train to and from Penzance a couple of times durnig his holiday.
Does this make him a non-tourist in your eyes then?
Then why did you bring it up?
because it's one aspect. i do think that air travel when there is a viable alternative means of transport isn't justified. i wouldn't fly to paris for example, i wouldn't fly to edinburgh, glasgow, cornwall ... etc.
yes OBVIOUSLY that then raises the question of where the boundary is, for example if you can change trains in paris to get where you're going, and that's a matter that people are going to have varying opinions on. but i DO think that unless someone has a good reason, travelling from newquay to london on the plane is just not necessary. it's a luxury, as i said above.
So when you made the emphatic claim that "Tourists don't use public transport" what you actually meant was "Tourists don't use public transport, except the ones who pack on to the St Ives line to, err, purely admire the "scenic railway", yes?
That's rather strange because I could have sworn I saw lots of holidaying families clutching beach towels and the like on the train. Were they planning on having a paddle on the train, do you think?
In fact, I could have sworn I was talking to a tourist in the Sloop Inn who told me that - like us - he'd caught the train to and from Penzance a couple of times durnig his holiday.
Does this make him a non-tourist in your eyes then?
Sorry - I forgot, you're such an expert on cornwall aren't you? You speak to one tourist in the pub who came on the train and suddenly you can state that people don't actually drive here at all! Fuck me, you're Tobyjug and I claim my £5
Choice kea, choice. People in cities seem to feel that choice is their right whilst us bumpkins should be content with limits.How wrong you are. I've already signed my name to the 'saveoursleeper.com' campaign site and actively do my bit for the local railway's survival by extensively using the service when we're in Cornwall.
I just can't get excited about the supposed 'need' for filthy, polluting air traffic when there's practical, less environmentally harmful alternatives available.
Choice kea, choice. People in cities seem to feel that choice is their right whilst us bumpkins should be content with limits.
madzone, there are good things and bad things about living in cities, there are good things and bad things about living in the countryside. the fact that it's a bit harder for you to get into london and back is just a fact of living in cornwall. as i said in my first post, short of altering the space-time continuum i don't see what can be done. you DID choose to live in cornwall and it IS a long way from london and that's just an upside/downside (depending on your view) of living where you do.
i'm sorry if that sounds like metropolitan arrogance but if you've got a different logical argument please let me know, cos i'm interested to hear it. so far it seems to consist of 'we deserve to be able to get to and from london in a day, because we do'.
Choice kea, choice. People in cities seem to feel that choice is their right whilst us bumpkins should be content with limits.
If you are that dependent on your friends in London, or the choice in shops, perhaps you should move to London. Its your choice to live in Cornwall...!
Sorry - I forgot, you're such an expert on cornwall aren't you? You speak to one tourist in the pub who came on the train and suddenly you can state that people don't actually drive here at all! So was he a tourist in your eyes or not? And what about al lthose people on the tran every day? Where they all there to admire the scenic railway?
After all, it's not me making the emphatic claim that "Tourists don't use public transport"!!!
Oh, and I hate to call you a liar, so I'd be obliged if you could point me in the direction of a post where I've claimed that "people don't actually drive here at all" as you've claimed.
If you can't find such a post, I'd be obliged if you apologised for trying to put words in my mouth. That's not nice, you know.
Choice kea, choice. People in cities seem to feel that choice is their right whilst us bumpkins should be content with limits.
I think if you choose to live far from the UK's big cities there are limits that you just have to put up with. I lived in London for 13 years and had access to 24 hour shopping, mugging, foul water and traffic jams. Since moving up north I'm happy to forego the 'pleasures' of the city for the clean air, countryside and other qualities of life.
Here you go Ed
''In 2002/03 88.6% of the visitors travelled by car, 5.4% by coach, 4.2% by train and 2.9% by air and other modes''
I think if you choose to live far from the UK's big cities there are limits that you just have to put up with. I lived in London for 13 years and had access to 24 hour shopping, mugging, foul water and traffic jams. Since moving up north I'm happy to forego the 'pleasures' of the city for the clean air, countryside and other qualities of life.
lol - so we're back to the 'If you don't like it don't live there' argument. I was born here.
It was a genuine question. No need to get your boxers in a lather.More like a stupid one, is you ask me.
Oh, and I don't wear boxers. Horrible things.
it's nice that you live where you were born madz but if you want to be near a big city for shopping/theatre/whatever then your choices are -
a) build one in cornwall
b) move to be near a big city
So was he a tourist in your eyes or not? And what about al lthose people on the tran every day? Where they all there to admire the scenic railway?
After all, it's not me making the emphatic claim that "Tourists don't use public transport"!!!
Oh, and I hate to call you a liar, so I'd be obliged if you could point me in the direction of a post where I've claimed that "people don't actually drive here at all" as you've claimed.
If you can't find such a post, I'd be obliged if you apologised for trying to put words in my mouth. That's not nice, you know.
I've posted you a little statistic. Maybe your little blokey in the pub was the .2%?
I'll apologise when you do.
Tourists don't use public transport. You might use the train to get here but the majority drive. Mianly because it's so fucking hard to get anywhere once you're here.
We use public transport when we come to Cornwall as neither of us drive. We manage reasonably well, but there are some places that are very inaccessible by train or bus (I'm thinking of the Lizard).
but if you want to be near a big city for shopping/theatre/whatever then your choices are -
a) build one in cornwall
b) move to be near a big city
Or be allowed to be pissed off when a useful service which you've used many times is withdrawn?
We use public transport when we come to Cornwall as neither of us drive. We manage reasonably well, but there are some places that are very inaccessible by train or bus (I'm thinking of the Lizard).
Yep, pain in the ass trying to get to certain places. Of course some people come on the train, I'm not disputing that, but as the statistic I posted shows, it's less than 5% of all the visitors to the region.
Or be allowed to be pissed off when a useful service which you've used many times is withdrawn?
Its not being withdrawn, just scaled back.
Or be allowed to be pissed off when a useful service which you've used many times is withdrawn?
i've never said you shouldn't be pissed off, in fact i've sympathised with you several times, i've just challenged your assertion that it makes you '3rd class citizens'.
lol - so we're back to the 'If you don't like it don't live there' argument. I was born here.
Well yeah, basically, and where you were born doesn't matter a toss. Cornwall is never going to be very well served in terms of infrastructure given where it is and its economic importance.
i've never said you shouldn't be pissed off, in fact i've sympathised with you several times, i've just challenged your assertion that it makes you '3rd class citizens'.
On it's own it doesn't but added to other factors it certainly contributes to how I feel as a resident of Cornwall.
I've posted you a little statistic. Maybe your little blokey in the pub was the .2%?.What the fuck are you on about?
You claimed that "Tourists don't use public transport" - that's provable bullshit - and then you went on to claim that I said that "people don't actually drive here at all" which was more provable bullshit - I've never made any such claims.
So are you going to apologise for lying?
On it's own it doesn't but added to other factors it certainly contributes to how I feel as a resident of Cornwall.
what other factors? sincerely. i'm not a resident of cornwall and never have been so my metropolitan arrogance is actually just lack of knowledge. please tell me more! house prices for starters, right? i've done some work on that aspect.
Its not being withdrawn, just scaled back.
The morning service is being withdrawn. It's the only one I've ever used. I don't find the night-time one useful. Therefore, the service which was useful to me is being withdrawn :)
On it's own it doesn't but added to other factors it certainly contributes to how I feel as a resident of Cornwall.You're hardly an advert for the place with your self-declared hatred for tourists bringing much-needed money into the area, putting cash in the pockets of locals and ensuring the survival of services.
What the fuck are you on about?
You claimed that "Tourists don't use public transport" - that's provable bullshit - and then you went on to claim that I said that "people don't actually drive here at all" which was more provable bullshit - I've never made any such claims.
So are you going to apologise for lying?
Oh dear Ed, this is silly. I thought you said you were older than me?
I apologise for lying :D
How very dare I
We use public transport when we come to Cornwall as neither of us drive. We manage reasonably well, but there are some places that are very inaccessible by train or bus (I'm thinking of the Lizard).Get yourself a folding bike!
I've always used public transport all around Cornwall and got by OK.
Mind you, I've never caught an internal UK flight in my life, so maybe I'm one of these "third class citizens" that madzone's banging on about. :D
You're hardly an advert for the place with your self-declared hatred for tourists bringing much-needed money into the area, putting cash in the pockets of locals and ensuring the survival of services.
Tourists don't ensure the survival of services. How did you work that out? They cost the local taxpayers money. And I'm sure the region would cope without a million pasty shops. Hell, if everybody fucked off we might even get some of our houses back so that nurses, teachers and other service providers could afford to buy a home.
The morning service is being withdrawn. It's the only one I've ever used. I don't find the night-time one useful. Therefore, the service which was useful to me is being withdrawn :)
So... Use the night time service instead...? Since you don't make day trips to London then this won't affect you because you must have made multiday trips instead.
2.9% by air and other modes
So the airplane is hardly used by tourists. Perhaps thats another reason Ryan are scaling it back.
So... Use the night time service instead...? Since you don't make day trips to London then this won't affect you because you must have made multiday trips instead.
So the airplane is hardly used by tourists. Perhaps thats another reason Ryan are scaling it back.
Oh jaed read the thread :rolleyes:
Tourists don't ensure the survival of services. How did you work that out? They cost the local taxpayers money.Christ, you're clueless.
The seasonal influx of visitors has a far reaching effect upon the County’s character and life during the summer. It enables many services to be provided which would not otherwise be viable but the pressure of numbers creates problems such as traffic congestion, pressure on services and environmental damage.
In 1998, the last occasion when a comprehensive economic impact of the tourism sector was made, it was estimated that visitors spent some £953 million, of which about one third is retained in Cornwall. The industry accounts for at least 30000 jobs - with many more at the peak of the season. The average visitor to Cornwall spends £118 on accommodation and £100 on other expenditure
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/business/economy/corn9.htm
Christ, you're clueless.
Have you actually read that or are you just on a cut and paste spree form cornwall.gov? What services are they actually talking about because they then go on to say that the presence of visitors creates pressure on services.
Even if (and I don't concede this fact in the slightest) Cornwall couldn't survive without tourism that still doesn't mean I have to like the fuckers or even tolerate them.
Oh jaed read the thread :rolleyes:
Most of it seems to be your whinging about a service being cut back that you feel is your right to have. Here's some news for you: It isn't If you want easy access to airports, shops, and friends living in large cities then live in a large city...
Not the hardest line of logical thought.
Oh, but we established in the homepathy thread that you don't have any truck with logic.
Have you actually read that or are you just on a cut and paste spree form cornwall.gov?I had no problem reading that bits that tore apart your stupid claims - you know like your claim that tourism doesn't ensure the survival of services - from cornwall.gov.uk: (tourism) ...enables many services to be provided which would not otherwise be viable.
I had no problem reading that bits that tore apart your stupid claims - you know like your claim that tourism doesn't ensure the survival of services - from cornwall.gov.uk: (tourism) ...enables many services to be provided which would not otherwise be viable.
What services though? They could mean anythng? They certainly don't ensure the services such as hospitals and water, they create enormous strain on those. Then there's the roads and the damage they do to them. So which services are they talking about? They couldmean Flambards for all we know. Fuck, Cornwall without Flambards doesn't bear thinking about does it?
Here's a A-Z list of services, I wonder which ones rely on tourism.
Because as far as I'm aware local services are paid for by our council tax and holiday makers don't pay that here.
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/a-z/a-z.htm
What services though? They could mean anythng? They certainly don't ensure the services such as hospitals and water, they create enormous strain on those. I'm getting bored pointing out the woeful gaps in your local knowledge:
The Impact of Tourism on Health Care in Cornwall
Introducing the report, Mrs Cox said that tourism was one of Cornwall’s most valuable industries which had done much to improve the county’s economy and also helped maintain the viability of some community based services such as the Minor Injury Units and Community Hospitals.
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/Newsdesk/ns4-2004/ns04-466.htm
I'm getting bored pointing out the woeful gaps in your local knowledge:
lol - the minor injuries units - fucking wonderful. We pay for them and they're kept open for the tourists. Fucking class.
However she added that the influx of visitors, which almost quadrupled the county’s population at peak times, exerted increasing pressures on staff, services and the resident population.
Why did you leave that bit out?
Why did you leave that bit out?How's that relevant to your emphatic (and, again, woefully incorrect) claim that tourists "certainly don't ensure the services such as hospitals..."
How many more daft, unresearched claims do you intend to post up today?
How's that relevant to your emphatic (and, again, woefully incorrect) claim that tourists "certainly don't ensure the services such as hospitals..."
How many more daft, unresearched claims do you intend to post up today?It's relevant because it admits that they create a strain on local resources.
They don't ensure the services such as hospitals.Our main hospital is stacked. In summer you could die waiting to be seen because of tourism. There's a tenuous link by CCC about how they may contribute to the minor injures and community hospitals but it doesn't say how. They create as much if not more strain on our public services, it says as much in the document (however tickly they are about it) You won't get CCC saying anything negative about tourism because they're very fucking twitchy about it.
BTW - are you going to tell me how old you are?
lol - the minor injuries units - fucking wonderful. We pay for them and they're kept open for the tourists. Fucking class.
Your vehement anti-tourist stance is coming across as a pretty nasty bit of xenophobia and also very hypocritical for someone who started the thread cos they were pissed off they couldn't go and be a tourist themselves.
Your vehement anti-tourist stance is coming across as a pretty nasty bit of xenophobia and also very hypocritical for someone who started the thread cos they were pissed off they couldn't go and be a tourist themselves.
I'm self admittedly xenophobic :)
I'm a very responsible tourist though. I realise that when I go somewhere that it's actually someone's home and not some 100 mile long fucking theme park which I know more about than the residents themselves. I don't expect people to stop going about their daily business just because I'm there and I don't expect the face of the place to be changed permanently because I want a particular type of coffee bar.
I would also listen to the advice of local service providers such as lifeguards and not let my kids go 200 ft off shore in a inflatable fucking dinghy thus necessitating the launch of the lifeboat and all the costs that ensues.
BTW - are you going to tell me how old you are?Frankly, that's none of your business.
And seeing as you choose to continually ignore all the official information that contradicts your opinion, there's not much point pursuing this discussion.
I'm self admittedly xenophobic :)
You tar all tourists with the same brush and then tell us how you're different when you're a tourist. What a scummy attitude.
Frankly, that's none of your business.
And seeing as you choose to continually ignore all the official information that contradicts your opinion, there's not much point pursuing this discussion.
The sheer scale of activity places a strain on local
resources and services, such as health facilities, water supplies and the road network. Tourism
can also bring pressure for intrusive and inappropriate development, including accommodation
and visitor attractions, which has important implications for such a fragile environment as
Penwith.
From my district council
You've ignored all my counter arguments about how tourism places a strain on Cornwall. Why would that be? And you're age is entirely relevant because you said you'd been coming to Cornwall since before I was born. Which is fine if true, however if not then you've been lying and I feel it only fair that you profer your apologies for lying the same way you asked me to :) Judging by your pic I'd say you were about 38. I'm 40. Hmmmmm
You tar all tourists with the same brush and then tell us how you're different when you're a tourist. What a scummy attitude.
Of course I'm generalisng :)
madzone, it is a simple fact that you choose to live somewhere which is a certain distance from the capital city, both geographically and in terms of transport. there's no point in getting angry about the fact that the time-space continuum can't be altered in order to give you an easy way of visiting london for just one night. as the editor says, there's a perfectly good sleeper train. it's unfortunate that your lifestyle/home situation means you can't use that, but that's not the fault of anyone but yourself.
Are you joking? 'Chosen' to live somewhere??
What ??? I 'choose' to live in Leeds (not!!) we still have a decent connection to London regardless of my 'lifestyle' or distance from the capital.
djbombscare
01-09-2005, 19:14
Walking in very carefully indeed as I can see that its er been kicking off a bit. . .
Flybe have said that they are talking with Newquay to try and fill the void left by Ryanair.
As you were
Walking in very carefully indeed as I can see that its er been kicking off a bit. . .
Flybe have said that they are talking with Newquay to try and fill the void left by Ryanair.
As you were
Are flybe the cheap greek lot with the orange planes?
Are flybe the cheap greek lot with the orange planes?
They're based at Exeter I believe, which is probably several degrees worse than being Greek in in the Madzone scale of fear and loathing ;)
They're based at Exeter I believe, which is probably several degrees worse than being Greek in in the Madzone scale of fear and loathing ;)
Grow up :)
I hate emmets - nothing racist about it. In fact you tend to find that it's Northerners who are the worst.
Grow up :)
I hate emmets - nothing racist about it. In fact you tend to find that it's Northerners who are the worst.
Hehe, I'm glad they really wind you up, cos you deserve it with your miserable xenophobic attitude.
(adds pointless smiley) :)
Hehe, I'm glad they really wind you up, cos you deserve it with your miserable xenophobic attitude.
(adds pointless smiley) :)
They don't wind me up, they provide me with endless amusement. In fact sometimes I drive through St Ives when I don't need to just to annoy them :)
Ocassionally I'll even park up to watch them being attacked by seagulls.
They don't wind me up, they provide me with endless amusement. In fact sometimes I drive through St Ives when I don't need to just to annoy them :)
Ocassionally I'll even park up to watch them being attacked by seagulls.
You're a nutter, love
djbombscare
01-09-2005, 20:57
Are flybe the cheap greek lot with the orange planes?
Noooooo they used to be Jersey European and were based in Exeter then joined with I think its was British Midland or something like that.
Noooooo they used to be Jersey European and were based in Exeter then joined with I think its was British Midland or something like that.
I wonder if they'll be as cheap as ryanair so that us choughy chavs can fly again :)
djbombscare
01-09-2005, 22:07
I wonder if they'll be as cheap as ryanair so that us choughy chavs can fly again :)
http://www1.flybe.com/
Ground Elder
01-09-2005, 22:15
Choughy chavs :rolleyes: That's dreadful. You're losing your touch :( :p ;)
boskysquelch
02-09-2005, 06:09
*smirk* what a breakfast this was! :D :D :D :D :D
Tbh if I was Cornish I'd tell the editor to get stuffed.. See him cycling around on his 'folding bike' - shoot the fucker.
End of.
Straight.
Safe.
:mad:
because it's one aspect. i do think that air travel when there is a viable alternative means of transport isn't justified. i wouldn't fly to paris for example, i wouldn't fly to edinburgh, glasgow, cornwall ... etc.
yes OBVIOUSLY that then raises the question of where the boundary is, for example if you can change trains in paris to get where you're going, and that's a matter that people are going to have varying opinions on. but i DO think that unless someone has a good reason, travelling from newquay to london on the plane is just not necessary. it's a luxury, as i said above.
And going to Greece on holiday is a necessity and not a luxury? :mad: Please never bring up the environmnet in an argument again ever, as it is quite obvious you do not give a fuck about it.
:mad: :mad:
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Straight.
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boskysquelch
02-09-2005, 07:13
Tbh if I was Cornish I'd tell the editor to get stuffed.. See him cycling around on his 'folding bike' - shoot the fucker.
End of.
Straight.
Safe.
:mad:
I was goona see if I could get Objectifff Wun Funn_*ding*! to get one of those puta system that can isolate Emmet_Brixtonians like how that girl was saved from drownin' the other day>>>Linkeeeeeeeeeeee (http://news.com.com/Computer+saves+drowning+girl/2100-1003_3-5845447.html) and put it somewhere spssshll on the Bissoe Tr