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Hi all,
just seen the news, this happened in Peckham. :(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4193250.stm
pilchardman
28-08-2005, 22:46
such an appalling story. :(
Louloubelle
29-08-2005, 09:37
horrific
poor woman
things like this don't help
http://www.viceland.com/issues_uk/v1n8/htdocs/fashion1.php
:(
horrific
poor woman
things like this don't help
http://www.vicelandcom/issues_uk/v1n8/htdocs/fashion1.php
:( No it doesn't, does it. :rolleyes:
horrific
poor woman
things like this don't help
http://www.vicelandcom/issues_uk/v1n8/htdocs/fashion1.php
:(
I'm sure the people that put togather that crap haven't had a relative or friend thats been killed by the violence. :(
Louloubelle
29-08-2005, 11:22
I'm sure the people that put togather that crap haven't had a relative or friend thats been killed by the violence. :(
Indeed
http://www.viceland.com/issues_uk/v1n8/htdocs/fashion4.php
Left: Natalie wears jacket by Fred Perry, scar on neck by bottle.
Corey wears vest by Diesel, scars on shoulder by machete
words fail me
Yeah, 'cos, like violence is soooo cool.
For those of you who don’t know, the South Man Sydicate is an organisation of mainly working class young black men and women from South London who make their living by any means necessary.
Whether it is through the black market, through fraud or through providing protection services, the SMS employs lots of young people who otherwise wouldn’t have any money at all, apart from government handouts
And yeah, cos encouraging the downward spiral of crime is a real service to your community.
Tank Girl
30-08-2005, 06:56
that site is obviously getting more visits from people that don't think it's cool, just look at the messages that have been left lately.
Louloubelle
30-08-2005, 07:09
that site is obviously getting more visits from people that don't think it's cool, just look at the messages that have been left lately.
the earlier messages make for interesting reading
apparently 2 youths ages 14 and 16 have been charged with robbery and murder in relation to this case
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/30/nshot30.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/08/30/ixportal.html
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-08-30T011738Z_01_KNE935754_RTRUKOC_0_UK-CRIME-BRITAIN-MURDER.xml
14 and 16 years old.
Jesus Christ.
I wonder if the police have seen the Viceland website. It's truly unbelievable. :(
Kenny Vermouth
30-08-2005, 14:15
Welcome to London.
Why anyone wants to live among the guns, violence, mess, squalor is beyond me.
Louloubelle
30-08-2005, 14:51
.. oops
that site is obviously getting more visits from people that don't think it's cool, just look at the messages that have been left lately.
It would appear the site is no longer available. (16.30 today). I wonder why. :rolleyes:
Louloubelle
30-08-2005, 15:41
I thought that
my original link stopped working, but I sent the same link to some friends by email http://www.viceland.com/issues_uk/v1n8/htdocs/fashion1.php and it works fine. for some reason the link in my original post was missing a dot, I've editied it back in
I blame the lizards
perplexis
30-08-2005, 15:51
It's an absolutely horrible horrible story and I hope the people responsible pay for what they did :mad:
but
<way way off topic>
I take it that many of you having minor episodes about a photo-shoot featuring some gangstas don't usually read Vice? The whole "Vice" enterprise is so unbelievably uber-trendy and tongue in cheek. They have a tendency to commission articles by people who think having a smack habit is cool- people don't read that shit and begin to think it's cool because they read it in a magazine, do they? IMVHO it won't change people's opinions one bit, shit, did any of you see it and think "damn that's what I'm talking about, men with guns, they've just become my favourite thing now that i've seen them clad by Nicole Farhi"? It's naive to assume that images like that influence behaviour to such an extent. Furthermore, they're writing about an existing phenomenon, not manufacturing it. Don't get me wrong, I think glorifying guns is f***ing stupid but it is not a serious magazine in any sense, it's just full of scenesters trying to out cool one another. Amusing, but not a force for real cultural change.
</off topic>
Unusual to see a S London shooting make its way out of the S London Press.
Unusual to see a S London shooting make its way out of the S London Press.
I would have thought given the circumstances of this particular shooting it was bound to. Drug dealers trying to blow each other away is one thing, killing someone at a family type of party is quite another.
<way way off topic>
I take it that many of you having minor episodes about a photo-shoot featuring some gangstas don't usually read Vice? The whole "Vice" enterprise is so unbelievably uber-trendy and tongue in cheek. They have a tendency to commission articles by people who think having a smack habit is cool- people don't read that shit and begin to think it's cool because they read it in a magazine, do they? IMVHO it won't change people's opinions one bit, shit, did any of you see it and think "damn that's what I'm talking about, men with guns, they've just become my favourite thing now that i've seen them clad by Nicole Farhi"? It's naive to assume that images like that influence behaviour to such an extent. Furthermore, they're writing about an existing phenomenon, not manufacturing it. Don't get me wrong, I think glorifying guns is f***ing stupid but it is not a serious magazine in any sense, it's just full of scenesters trying to out cool one another. Amusing, but not a force for real cultural change.
</off topic> I know Vice and I know it's not exactly going to be read by KiDz frOM daHoOd or whatever, but I still think it's pathetic and not funny. 'Oooh, look how transgressive we are getting cool capital out of the misery of poor black people'. :rolleyes:
Louloubelle
30-08-2005, 19:28
but
<way way off topic>
I take it that many of you having minor episodes about a photo-shoot featuring some gangstas don't usually read Vice? The whole "Vice" enterprise is so unbelievably uber-trendy and tongue in cheek. They have a tendency to commission articles by people who think having a smack habit is cool- people don't read that shit and begin to think it's cool because they read it in a magazine, do they?
I think you're spectacularly missing the point here
The issues as I see it are as follows:
1. Does the feature glamourise gun crime? Arguable, but take a look at the first messages that've been posted up, I think they speak volumes. If the people having their photos taken didn'rt think it would earn them respect then they would never have agreed to do something as stupid as allowing themselves to be photographed posing with guns and knives, would they?
2. What's going on when bunch of, in your words 'uber-trendy' people who 'commission articles by people who think having a smack habit is cool' produce a piece like this? This features real people, it's a kind of glossy porn so that rich kids can get their jollies snorting fat lines while laughing at the kind of horrors that people in some parts of South London have to endure. Just because they might think it's amusing doesn't mean it is.
3. Perhaps the only good thing to come out of it will be that the people in the photos will get arrested and banged up before they get a change to kill someone. Part of me wondered whther Vice is just a covert branch of Operation Trident, they couldn't have helped the police out better if they'd tried.
IMVHO it won't change people's opinions one bit, shit, did any of you see it and think "damn that's what I'm talking about, men with guns, they've just become my favourite thing now that i've seen them clad by Nicole Farhi"? It's naive to assume that images like that influence behaviour to such an extent. Furthermore, they're writing about an existing phenomenon, not manufacturing it. Don't get me wrong, I think glorifying guns is f***ing stupid but it is not a serious magazine in any sense, it's just full of scenesters trying to out cool one another. Amusing, but not a force for real cultural change.
</off topic>
So in your opinion it's fine to have a laugh about how shit people's lives are? The fact that in some parts of South London it's so dangerous that kids have to join gangs and carry guns and knives for protection? You think it's amusing and 'tongue in cheek' that young black men shoot and stab each other with depressing regularity? Dont you see that the fact that the producers of this magazine are just 'scenesters trying to out cool one another' makes the whole thing even more sickening?
I don't see the joke.
They have a UK phone number and email addresspegah@viceuk.com or call 0207 6135771
detective-boy
30-08-2005, 20:20
that site is obviously getting more visits from people that don't think it's cool, just look at the messages that have been left lately.
The messages which worry me are the ones in the middle which seem to be between wannabe gangsters ...they may not read something like this routinely but once they know it is on the web, word spreads ...
Donna Ferentes
30-08-2005, 20:23
It may very well be that these people don't actually make the problem any worse, but by the same token it won't do a great deal of harm to tell them to fuck off.
Louloubelle
02-09-2005, 21:50
the latest message on viceland
Subject: sms & pdc
Date: Sep 02 2005 03:48:01 AM
Author: Clint
All you sotuh mans anit shit u really know whos bang banging> NorthStar all u Brikkie niggas a Pussies and Rapists. let me name names
Inches = rapist
Elljah = rapist and undercover homo(4 real)
Pin Head = Kiddie toucher (Crack Head)
Segun = Snake had something 2 do with his boy Ham death
Fat sy = pizza dilvery boy robber
Quinny = Pussy muncher ( just ask Rebecca)
:confused:
so a "Pussy muncher" is up there with a "Kiddie toucher (Crack Head)" and rapists as a bad thing to be?
:confused:
[QUOTE=so a "Pussy muncher" is up there with a "Kiddie toucher (Crack Head)" and rapists as a bad thing to be?
:confused:[/QUOTE]
It just demonstates their warped value system.
ChrisFilter
03-09-2005, 04:38
Welcome to London.
Why anyone wants to live among the guns, violence, mess, squalor is beyond me.
edit: too much information, but suffice it to say, countryside is just as bad if not worse,
cemertyone
03-09-2005, 09:22
It's an absolutely horrible horrible story and I hope the people responsible pay for what they did :mad:
but
HMP the little bastards and then send them back after there life sentences to the shit hole they came from Serria Leonne...little black gangsters trying to be hard men......
when i read of this kind of shit it makes me wanna bring back the death penality...........and when you read that the majority of " street crime " in london 90% plus is caused by young black men of the age of 14-19 ( when the black population makes up less that 10% of the total poulation it fucking makes you wonder>>>>>>
Hang on a mo. It was the victim who was from Sierra Leone - not, as far as we know, the alleged teenage gunmen.
<edited by Mrs M for legal reasons.>
Hang on a mo. It was the victim who was from Sierra Leone - not, as far as we know, the alleged teenage gunmen.
You need to put an "alleged" in there.
Mrs Magpie
03-09-2005, 10:03
Done, Ms T.
Got to say, cemertyone, I am appalled by your post. Not only inaccurate but racist.
HMP the little bastards and then send them back after there life sentences to the shit hole they came from Serria Leonne...little black gangsters trying to be hard men......
when i read of this kind of shit it makes me wanna bring back the death penality...........and when you read that the majority of " street crime " in london 90% plus is caused by young black men of the age of 14-19 ( when the black population makes up less that 10% of the total poulation it fucking makes you wonder>>>>>>
You may indeed wonder. This government report http://www.gos.gov.uk/gol/docs/243124/street_crime.pdf may help enlighten you.
Especially the following:
The interviews with offenders in this study have demonstrated how street crime in London is a symptom of the social exclusion experienced by teenagers and young adults at the lower-end of the socio-economic scale. The problem is particularly acute amongst some minority ethnic groups that are systematically disadvantaged .
nightowl
03-09-2005, 13:10
was listening to a copper from operation trident a while ago. he was saying a lot of the problem is this complete lack of reality that young gang members live in. quite often a gun isn't something to be used as a last resort. now it's simple, petty things that are involving guns. someone cuts you up in their car, bang, you get your gun out and shoot them.
edit: too much information, but suffice it to say, countryside is just as bad if not worse,
I would love to know where you get that impression from.
Where I live in a rural area the crime rate is near zero, it is a very pleasant place to live.
Where my relatives live in High Wycombe, Bucks is a serious shit pit, I will no longer visit them unless they come out to somewhere safer.
KeyboardJockey
03-09-2005, 14:02
I'm sure the people that put togather that crap haven't had a relative or friend thats been killed by the violence. :(
Probably done by some middle class art school tosser out to make a name for themselves without any thought as to the use or outcome from their images. I used to be a documentary photographer before I prostituted my self in Fleet Street and I can honestly say this sort of shite is doing nothing for the subjects. If you are going to do photodoc then you should make sure that it says something and has a positive vibe to it. This is just nhilism from someone who will be quaffing champers with some Arts Council funder in a few years time when the subjects of the photos wil be long dead and buried.
Sabastio Salgado they aint. :(
ChrisFilter
04-09-2005, 00:56
I would love to know where you get that impression from.
Where I live in a rural area the crime rate is near zero, it is a very pleasant place to live.
Where my relatives live in High Wycombe, Bucks is a serious shit pit, I will no longer visit them unless they come out to somewhere safer.
from growing up there.
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