Learn Welsh in the pub (Canton area, Cardiff)

[Ben Bore]

Apparently there's informal Welsh classes being held in the Clive Arms, Canton on Tuesday nights. Just started 2 weeks ago.

Details:
http://de-ddwyrain.blogspot.com/2005/08/learn-welsh-in-pub.html

[ddraig]

interesting, diolch

need to sort my Cymraeg mas to
:)

[Ben Bore]

Croeso,

Os ti'n gallu siarad ychydig o Gymraeg, byddai bechod peidio ei ddefnyddio, gwaeth fyth ei anghofio. Gobeithio bydd gwybodaeth defnyddiol ar fy blog uchod. Ga'i ofyn cwestiwn (neu dri) personol?
1. Wnes ti ddysgu Cymraeg yn yr ysgol neu fel oedolyn?
2. Oes rheswm pan nad wyt ti'n defnyddio dy Gymraeg?
3. Beth fydde'n ei wneud yn haws i ti ail-ddechrau/ neu bod eisiau defnyddio dy Gymraeg eto?

If you can speak a little Welsh, it would be a shame not to use it, or worse still forget it. I hope there's useful information on my above blog. Can I ask you a personal question (or three)?
1. Did you learn Welsh at school or as an adult?
2. Is there a reason why you don't use your Welsh anymore?
3. What would make it easier for you/ or make you want to start using Welsh again?

There reason I ask is because thousands of kids either go through Welsh medium education or are taught some Welsh at school but don't ever use it again for various reasons. Some regret it when they're older and others don't, but I'm interested in finding out what could be done to attract these people back to speaking Welsh. If this sort of informal classes in a pub (as a possible refresher perhaps) appeals, I might try doing something similar myself.

Please fell free to tell my to mind my own business (yn Gymraeg wrth gwrs ;) )

[ddraig]

esgysodwch y camgymeriadau sydd yn dilyn os gwelwch yn dda :o

ydw, dwy gallu siarad ychydig o Gymraeg a ie byddai'n bechod peidio ei ddefnyddio a dydw i ddim eisiau anghofio fe.
ma fi wedi 'bookmarkio' dy tudalen we a anfon i fy nhad fyd.

ddim problem ar y cwestiwnau!
1. wnes i ddysgu yn yr ysgol, yn y de, yr unig ysgol cymraeg gyfun yn y dre
2. rhwy wedi ddim ond yn diweddar wedi dod yn nol i Gymru ar ol fyw yn llundain am dros 15mlynedd, ddim siawns i ddefnyddio fe fynna.
unwaith, wness i teimlo lot o hiraeth (a yr hiraeth!) a mynd i'r clwb cymraeg yn grays inn road i weld amdano ymuno i gael fynd rhywle a clywed/siarad cymraeg. ond fel arfel oedd y pobol yna yn hen a chanalbwyntio arno canu yn y cor a chwaraeon :rolleyes: so nes i ddim yn nol ac ar y pryd oedden ni ddim yn gallu affwrddio fe fyd.
3. rwy'n byw yn Caerdydd nawr a mae ddim yn edrych fod fi'n mynd i fyw yn lloeger to. rwy'n Cymro a dwy eisiau bod yn Cymro a ddim colli fyn iaith, a wath, troi mewn i saes. dwy ddim yn gwybod beth bydddan wneud en haws ond cwrdd a mwy o pobol ac yn mynd i rhai gigs a noswaith diddorol.
er engraifft - y noson 'welsh rare beat' oedd arno yn clwb ifor bach rhyw wythnosau yn nol.
so efallai rhywbeth fel y tafarn yn canton!? os oes mae'n rhad ac am ddim a ddim yn rhi 'formal' am fod fi mas o gwaith ar y foment a ddim lot a arian i gael i mynd mas gormod.
wnes i mynd i'r mochyn du ar dydd sadwrn a roedd mam a tad yn siarad yn gymrag a ceisio cael fi a fy brawd i sairad ond roeddwn yn teimlo tipyn bach yn dwl a 'forced'. hefyd dwy ddim yn licio'r crach a mae gogs yn mynd ar fy nervs tipyn fy'd. dwy'n gwybod bod yna yn anrhesymol ac yn twp ond dyma ble ma fi ar y foment.
dwy yn tipyn bach yn gwell yn siarad cymraeg, onest!
esgysodwch y cymraeg wail to os gwelwch yn dda.
a diolch :)

please excuse the mistakes that follow and blatant discrepancies between the Welsh and english versions, it will not be a direct translation to anyone it's not obvious to :o

I can speak Welsh, it is supposed to be my first language. It would be a shame not to use it and a tragedy to lose it.
I have bookmarked your page and forwarded it to my dad.
1. I learnt Welsh at school and was at the only welsh secondary school in my town. where we rebelled against being told to speak Welsh and did not see the value and importance when we were all knowing teenagers.
2. I have recently returned to Wales after over 15 years in london and did not have any chance to use it apart from the odd chance meeting with a tourist or elederly Welsh speaker. i, at experiencing longing and pain for being away from home, even went to the Welsh club on gray's inn road, kings x to see about joining so that i could socialise and hear/use Welsh. it was a grand building but the people there were typically old and enthused about the same old stuff - choirs and sport. i never went back. i also couldn't afford the membership fee.
3. I live in Cardiff now and it doesn't look like i will be living in england again. I am Welsh and want to be Welsh and do not want to lose my language and worse turn into an englishman! i have been called geordie and all sorts more and more recently and it distressed me that people could not tell i was Welsh.
I do not know what would make it easier apart from meeting more people/Welsh speakers and going to gigs/interesting nights.
for example they had a night at clwb ifor bach called 'Welsh rare beat' a few weeks ago where they (Gruff Rhys etc) had collected rare Welsh language stuff and were making a night of it, looked very interesting and i used to go to Cymdeithas and other gigs when i was a teen. Ffa Coffi/Y Cyrff/Y Gewfrau/Crumblowers/ U thant/Cerrig Melys etc :)

so maybe the pub in canton would be good as long as it's not too formal and free, as at the mo i am out of work and unable to go out a lot.
i went to the mochyn du on sat with my parents who were making an effort to speak Welsh and trying to get me and my brother to speak it too but i felt stupid and forced. i also don't like the crach/snobby aspect of some Welsh speakers and the circles they circulate in, also north Whalians get on my nereves, the voice grates a bit. i know that is unreasonable and stupid but it's where i am at at the moment.
i am a bit better at speaking Welsh honest!
please excuse my poor Welsh again, thanks



Croeso,


If you can speak a little Welsh, it would be a shame not to use it, or worse still forget it. I hope there's useful information on my above blog. Can I ask you a personal question (or three)?
1. Did you learn Welsh at school or as an adult?
2. Is there a reason why you don't use your Welsh anymore?
3. What would make it easier for you/ or make you want to start using Welsh again?

There reason I ask is because thousands of kids either go through Welsh medium education or are taught some Welsh at school but don't ever use it again for various reasons. Some regret it when they're older and others don't, but I'm interested in finding out what could be done to attract these people back to speaking Welsh. If this sort of informal classes in a pub (as a possible refresher perhaps) appeals, I might try doing something similar myself.

Please fell free to tell my to mind my own business (yn Gymraeg wrth gwrs )

[Ben Bore]

Ti'n gallu ysgrifennu (a siarad Cymraeg betia i) yn berffaith y nytar
You can write (and speak i bet) perfectly in Welsh you nuttar ;)

hefyd dwy ddim yn licio'r crach a mae gogs yn mynd ar fy nervs tipyn fy'd. dwy'n gwybod bod yna yn anrhesymol ac yn twp ond dyma ble ma fi ar y foment.
:eek: :D

Mae'n wir bo na lawer o gogs yn y brifddinas, rhai ohonynt yn ceisio ail greu gogledd Cymru bach eu hunain ond gyda HMV a Starbucks, ond tydan ni gyd ddim run fath ;) Mae rhoi o yfwyr y Mochyn Du yn mynd dan yng nghroen i hefyd. Mae llawer o bethau 'amgen' Cymraeg yn digwydd yn y brifddinas ar y foment - y gorau oedd nosweithiau misol ABRI (http://abri.cymdeithas.com/) oedd yn digwydd yn y Toucan, ond mae rhain newydd ddod i stop am y tro. Mae yna noson cwis Cymraeg ar fin ail-ddechrau yn y Goat Major mis nesaf sy'n laff ac efallai byddai diddordeb gyda ti cwrdd a grŵp o ddysgwyr sy'n cwrdd yn rheolaidd yn y mannau isod. Diw'n meddwl mynd i rai o'r rhain i helpu dysgwyr ymarfer eu sgwrsio/eu diflasu am fy hanes yn bugeilio yn y gogledd. Nai bostio fan hyn pan fyddai'n mynd.
True there are plenty of gogs in the capital, some trying to re-create a small north Wales down south onlt with a HMV and Starbucks, but we're not all the same ;). Some of the drinkers in the Mochyn Du get on my nerves as well. There's a lot of 'alternative' Welsh events on in Cardiff at the moment - the best being the monthly ABRI (http://abri.cymdeithas.com/) nights at the Toucan, but these have come to a stop for now. A Welsh pub quiz is about to re-start in the Goat Major next month which is a good laugh and you may be interested to meet up with learners who meet up regularly at the venues below. I'm thinking of going to a few of these to help learners improve their spoken Welsh/bore them with my tales of being a shepherd up north. I'll post here when I'm going.

Er gwybodaeth, dyma'r cyfarfodydd Cyd yn yr ardal.

Pob dydd Mercher - Caffi "Hoffi Coffee" Heol Woodville,Cathays
14.00 - 15.00

Pob nos Fercher - Tafarn y Gower,Stryd Gwennyth, Cathays
18.30 - 20.30

Tafarn y Tavistock
21.00 - 23.00

Pob dydd Iau - Cyd Rhisga, Canolfan Hamdden Rhisga
10.00 - 12.00

Pob nos Iau - Tafarn y Cornwall
21.30 - 23.00

Wrth gwrs, mae 'na hefyd y Clwb Cerdded - bydd rhaglen newydd allan erbyn diwedd Awst ar gyfer yr Hydref.

[spacemonkey]

I want to learn welsh but i'm scared. :o

[spacemonkey]

i also don't like the crach/snobby aspect of some Welsh speakers and the circles they circulate in, also north Whalians get on my nereves, the voice grates a bit. i know that is unreasonable and stupid but it's where i am at at the moment.


:D

[Ben Bore]

I want to learn welsh but i'm scared. :o

Of being in a large class full of stranges and being put on the spot? I know the feelling from my time at French classes at school and an Italian course I did. I don't know what to say apart from the fact that everyone's in the same boat. Not that I'd know, but I imagine Welsh classes to be slightly different with extra support available (via internet + TV etc) and the fact that wherever you live in Wales, even in the south east, there are placs that you can go in between lesson to practise your Welsh with fellow learners and supportive Welsh speakers (even friendly gogs :eek: )

[ddraig]

I want to learn welsh but i'm scared. :o


I'll learn ya! :mad:

[Ben Bore]

I've just popped into the Clive this evening to see what goes on and spoke to Iona, the tutor. She's doing it as a favour to the landlady who wants to learn some Welsh. It's basically a taster and just learning how to say simple things like greeting and the essentials like ordering beer etc. Tonight was the really only the second week as everyone was watching football or something the first night. There wes five there last week and four this week, so the group is really small.

Nos da.

[Strumpet]

How cool!

I know very basic welsh....can't spell most of it though :o but my little one goes to welsh school and I want to learn it so I can help more with homewrok as she gets older. She is only 6 so for now I know enough.....

[Dai Sheep]

Croeso,

Os ti'n gallu siarad ychydig o Gymraeg, byddai bechod peidio ei ddefnyddio, gwaeth fyth ei anghofio. Gobeithio bydd gwybodaeth defnyddiol ar fy blog uchod. Ga'i ofyn cwestiwn (neu dri) personol?
1. Wnes ti ddysgu Cymraeg yn yr ysgol neu fel oedolyn?
2. Oes rheswm pan nad wyt ti'n defnyddio dy Gymraeg?
3. Beth fydde'n ei wneud yn haws i ti ail-ddechrau/ neu bod eisiau defnyddio dy Gymraeg eto?

If you can speak a little Welsh, it would be a shame not to use it, or worse still forget it. I hope there's useful information on my above blog. Can I ask you a personal question (or three)?
1. Did you learn Welsh at school or as an adult?
2. Is there a reason why you don't use your Welsh anymore?
3. What would make it easier for you/ or make you want to start using Welsh again?

There reason I ask is because thousands of kids either go through Welsh medium education or are taught some Welsh at school but don't ever use it again for various reasons. Some regret it when they're older and others don't, but I'm interested in finding out what could be done to attract these people back to speaking Welsh. If this sort of informal classes in a pub (as a possible refresher perhaps) appeals, I might try doing something similar myself.

Please fell free to tell my to mind my own business (yn Gymraeg wrth gwrs ;) )



I'm learning Welsh now - but I wasnt interested in school. I think the problem is when I was in school (10 years ago) we were taught virtually nothing of Welsh culture or history - the national curriculum is incredibly anglocentric. 'British' history was essentially a history of England - I never received a single lesson in Welsh history. This meant that thousands of young people were essentially excluded from forming an interest and pride in their own culture - and cetainly not in speaking welsh (especially in the shadow of powerful american and engish popular culture). It was only in the last five years and especially when I took up a degree course, which includes a large portion of Welsh history were my eyes truly opened to the rich culture and history of Wales and gave me the desire to learn the Welsh language. This is a good site for Welsh learners if anyone is interested:
http://www.clwbmalucachu.co.uk/

[Ben Bore]

Pob lwc gyda'r Cymraeg Dai.

Clwb Malu Cachu is a great site and set up by a Welsh learner who lives in England.

[Dai Sheep]

Diolch yn Fawr, Ben.