View Full Version : Hep A/Typhoid vaccinations - should I bother?
trashpony
21-08-2005, 20:05
I'm going to Peru in a few weeks' time. I've had a yellow fever jab as I'm spending a couple of days in the jungle and will also be taking Malarone for malaria. Can't decide whether it's worth the bother of getting jabs for hepatitis A and typhoid or not.
I just think we can get slightly hysterical about vaccinations in the first world unnecessarily. A friend of mine from the US was telling me recently that when she came on a trip to the UK in the late 60s, her family were all vaccinated!
Anyone ever heard of anyone getting either of these? Am I being realistic or just foolhardy?
Mrs Magpie
21-08-2005, 20:06
Foolhardy.
Depends how much time you can give up to illness. If you dont want to be ill, get the innoculations. If you enjoy being ill/have plenty of time to spare, dont. :(
For the sake of a couple of jabs...... gettit dun x ;)
I'm going to Peru in a few weeks' time. I've had a yellow fever jab as I'm spending a couple of days in the jungle and will also be taking Malarone for malaria. Can't decide whether it's worth the bother of getting jabs for hepatitis A and typhoid or not.
I just think we can get slightly hysterical about vaccinations in the first world unnecessarily. A friend of mine from the US was telling me recently that when she came on a trip to the UK in the late 60s, her family were all vaccinated!
Anyone ever heard of anyone getting either of these? Am I being realistic or just foolhardy?
I wouldn't recommend basing a health decision on whether 'you can be bothered' or not, but please do seek out information on something that you might put into your body so you make an informed choice, and it is your choice. Here a some sites which question the paradigm of vaccinations
www.vaccinationdebate.com
www.thinktwice.com
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
hope this is useful. And have a nice holiday! :)
Mrs Magpie
22-08-2005, 01:48
Oh for God's sake. Don't base any health decision on those ridiculous websites. Ring NHS direct.
Maidmarian
22-08-2005, 02:25
Oh for God's sake. Don't base any health decision on those ridiculous websites. Ring NHS direct.
She`s right y`know ! :)
Oh for God's sake. Don't base any health decision on those ridiculous websites. Ring NHS direct.
Yes trashpony, don't even click on those websites. They are pure heresy. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THEM. Do not examine the vaccine issue for yourself that could be dangerously subversive. We all love our vaccines. Follow authority!
Just so you know trashpony, the "Dr" in "DrJazzz" has nothing to do with any medical training, of which he has absolutely none. NHS Direct - tel. 0845 4647
Hep A is in the water of most developing countries. Don't get it, you are foolish.
For fucks sake its two injections ( two I think you need a booster a bit later). Its hardly a grinding chore is it
Foolhardy.
Fifthed? Sixthed?
On the whole, vaccinations, a good idea. They may not be perfect (if Dr Jazz has something to stand on) but that doesn't mean they are 'bad'.
trashpony
22-08-2005, 08:05
Thank you for all your comments. I'm not a big conspiraloon around vaccinations, I just wondered how prevalent typhoid/malaria are in Peru - I can't seem to find any reliable statistics.
I shall go back to the travel clinic! :)
KeyboardJockey
22-08-2005, 08:15
I wouldn't recommend basing a health decision on whether 'you can be bothered' or not, but please do seek out information on something that you might put into your body so you make an informed choice, and it is your choice. Here a some sites which question the paradigm of vaccinations
www.vaccinationdebate.com
www.thinktwice.com
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
hope this is useful. And have a nice holiday! :)
These sites are the worst scaremongering conspiraloon lizard licking bollocks and yes Dr J I have clicked on them unfortunately.
I have met people who have survieved diptheria, and when I was little have seen older children shuffling round with leg irons on to help them walk because they contracted polio. Any problems with some vaccines with some people are miniscule when compared to the devastation caused by the diseases themselves.
Why don't you team up with the animal rights loons and start a campaign to release Variola major from it's prison.
Utter utter utter shite. :mad:
Get the jabs -- I'm scared of needles but I would have the jabs if I was going
Thank you for all your comments. I'm not a big conspiraloon around vaccinations, I just wondered how prevalent typhoid/malaria are in Peru - I can't seem to find any reliable statistics.
I shall go back to the travel clinic! :)
Hang on, going to source some stuff on Peru for you - I'll post rather than PM in case others want a read.
Recommended vaccines depend on length of stay.
Some general health info from a top notch source that I can't even disclose (or I could lose job - but if you requests make 'em - do cover almost every country in the world)
Tap water is not safe. Raw or uncooked food including fish, vegetables and salad should be avoided except in upmarket restaurants. Pharmaceuticals are readily available without a prescription.
Cholera is present, mainly in impoverished areas and markets where hygiene is poor and food is badly prepared. Quinine pills are needed for malaria in certain jungle areas. There have been occasional reports of bubonic plague, carrion's disease and dengue in some remote Andean locations. Uta, a form of leprosy, is common in the north-central highlands, but can be cured if treated in time. Deaths from rabies have been reported in Lima's shanty towns.
If you are there for just a few days, tetanus-diptheria (applies for longer stays by default, same rule applies for all).
Up to a month, malaria, yellow fever (will be needed for entry into the country for more than a few days) and Hep A.
Up to 6 months, typhoid.
Over 6 months, Hep B, TB, rabies.
Have documentation ready in case you plan to hop into Brazil.
For more information regarding security risks, crime, political risks, transportation networks and almost anything etc please request by PM.
Techno303
22-08-2005, 08:33
Yes trashpony, don't even click on those websites. They are pure heresy. PAY NO ATTENTION TO THEM. Do not examine the vaccine issue for yourself that could be dangerously subversive. We all love our vaccines. Follow authority!
:rolleyes:
I have met people who have survieved diptheria, and when I was little have seen older children shuffling round with leg irons on to help them walk because they contracted polio. Any problems with some vaccines with some people are miniscule when compared to the devastation caused by the diseases themselves.Those diseases were indeed devastating but you are simply assuming that vaccines wiped them away. That's not something one should simply assume without evidence, and common thinking is not that evidence. Polio epidemics ended in European countries that saw no vaccines just as quickly as those that had vaccines.
Those diseases were indeed devastating but you are simply assuming that vaccines wiped them away. That's not something one should simply assume without evidence, and common thinking is not that evidence. Polio epidemics ended in European countries that saw no vaccines just as quickly as those that had vaccines.
Vaccines do help... they're very unlikely to hinder! Scientific method shows that they work and controlled experiments in animal populations show the usefulness of them, the effectiveness...
Vaccines do help... they're very unlikely to hinder! Scientific method shows that they work and controlled experiments in animal populations show the usefulness of them, the effectiveness...Have you got a link for the experiments in animal populations, Mr B? I'd be interested to see it.
Tricky Mickey
23-08-2005, 05:13
Do not examine the vaccine issue for yourself, that could be dangerously subversive. We all love our vaccines. Follow authority!
Alternatively, follow alternative authorities, unquestioningly, contract a fatal disease and die, needlessly, and in pain. But die with your anti-authoritarianism intact.
Some people in undeveloped countries would dearly love to have the acccess we in the rich northern hemisphere have to vaccines.
Have you got a link for the experiments in animal populations, Mr B? I'd be interested to see it.
No, not anymore. I used to work in a company that did financial evaluations and projections on pharmaceutical companies. This did mean, to a greater or lesser extent, having to read up on how stuff worked and 'how it went'. I do remember reading quite a few things about the usefulness and effectiveness of vaccines among bird populations - particularly when it came to flu vaccines.
Techno303
23-08-2005, 08:39
Have you got a link for the experiments in animal populations, Mr B? I'd be interested to see it.
I have DrJazzz. Take your pick. I’m sure this simple PubMed search can be accessed outside of an academic institution:
Very basic PubMed search throwing up lots of papers for polio here:
http://tinyurl.com/8xtdo
Similar search but for typhoid here:
http://tinyurl.com/b5rm9
There are some interesting papers there wouldn’t you agree including a few controversial ones that might interest you? So go on pick one and go and read it. I’d be happy to discuss a few of these with you (time permitting). There are a couple that have a link where you can download the manuscript for free.
I’d do the WoS (Web of Science) database search for you too but you won’t be able to access it and its GUI is a bit shite to be honest.
This way we stay clear of your controversial websites and remain in the domain of peer reviewed studies.
I wouldn't recommend basing a health decision on whether 'you can be bothered' or not, but please do seek out information on something that you might put into your body so you make an informed choice, and it is your choice. Here a some sites which question the paradigm of vaccinations
www.vaccinationdebarcle.com
www.finktwice.com
http://www.wank.to/vaccines.html
Fuck off, you deluded CUNT, you are in no position to dole out advice about vaccines as I've told you before.
POSTERS PLEASE BE AWARE - "DR" JAZZZ HAS NO MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE, JUST PARANOIA AND UNHEALTHY OBSESSIONS WITH CONSPIRACY THEORIES - PLEASE IGNORE HIS ADVICE IF YOU ARE GENUINELY WORRIED ABOUT VACCINATIONS!
You'd be crazy not to get Hep A and typhoid jabs, they're prevalent all over the Third World (water and food borne) and the jabs are free, or I got them free.
Malarone is fine for malaria, makes sense if you're in the jungle.
Vaccines weren't responsible for all the reductions of disease in the first world, although still led to a significant reduction; nutrition, sanitation and medical care were all important. They were and are for most of the reductions in polio, typhoid etc in the Third World where injections are given.
Incidentally I've had 13 injections / vaccinations in the last month and am yet to get anything worse than a pinprick of blood from the needle breaking the skin.
Am I being realistic or just foolhardy?
Check these webpages and make up your own mind. The second site states the vaccinations you MUST have as well as reccomended ones.:-
http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket%2FXcelerate%2FShowPage&c=Page&cid=1007029390590&a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618386334
http://www.dh.gov.uk/PolicyAndGuidance/HealthAdviceForTravellers/GeneralHealthAdvice/Diseases/DiseasesArticle/fs/en?CONTENT_ID=4053179&chk=L6QYy4
One word to absolutely prove Dr Jazzz is talking shit again - meningitis.
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