View Full Version : Mouthing off incidents on the tube
Just wondered how common these were. I'd one this morning where some women got mouthy because I'd 'pushed into her' on a packed tube.. but then she was mouthing off at everyone.
I'd another incident afew months back where a psycho started pushing me in the back..and I ended up getting into another carriage.
I figure just about everyone must have had these sort of incidence at some point?
Pickman's model
12-08-2005, 17:41
i've seen people on the tube being mouthy with other people, but it's not happened to me.
*crosses fingers*
Mrs Magpie
12-08-2005, 17:51
A mate of mine, freshly out of a Cat A prison* got really mouthy on the tube when he gave up his seat to a pregnant woman and a city 'gent' nipped into the seat instead...he vacated it again pretty sharpish like.
*miscarriage of justice
Orang Utan
12-08-2005, 17:56
Some girls hassled me on an overland train cos I was expressing my annoyance at a bunch of England fans bellowing 'England!' during Euro 96' - they accused me of not being a proper man and told me they were gonna get their boyfriends to beat me up.
I just ignored them.
oddworld
12-08-2005, 18:36
they accused me of not being a proper man
:eek:
(((OU)))
bristle-krs
12-08-2005, 18:39
:eek:
clearly they've never seen the pictures :D
Didn't realise proper men bellowed England! That must be where I've been going wrong! I thought I just had to grow lots of bodily hair and drink lots. :p
bluestreak
12-08-2005, 21:31
some bloks started having a go at me and my girlfriend once for being dykes and gays with our piercings and how he was gonna fire us down or something.
we just got off.
fucking arseholes.
MarkMark
12-08-2005, 21:47
I saw some shithead gob into in a womans face once and then jump the barrier
- it was because she complained after he pushed her aside on the escalator.
She had to wipe all this snot off her face and then was sick on the floor, crying :(
i rarely get the urge to kill someone, but that i felt it that time - what a cunt!
Fuck off. Did she just tell me to fuck orf? Fuck off. She did say fuck orf! Well excuse me I'm sure! Are you? Sorry? Am I what? Sorry. Am I sorry? Are you sure? Am I sure? Are you sure you're sorry? What am I sorry for? Well you tell me, are you? No, it wasn't me telling you to fuck orf. Yes you did. I did not. You just did. You're mad you are. Are you calling me mad? It should be perfectly evident, madam, that I am. I'm sure you are. Sure I'm what? Mad. Who are you to call me mad? Barking. Tut. Sandwich short of a picnic this one. Right schitzo. Madam, [I]please. No way! You're mad! Did you here that? Hear what? Don't come that with me. Oh for fuck's sake. I've told you no! Bonkers this one! Madam.. Barking. Ma.. Right off his trolley! Madam.. Derranged. Totally ga ga! Madam why don't you fuck right orf! See! He did it again!
On a busy late train home, a guy had fallen asleep and slumped over the only remaining seat in the carriage.
Another guy comes along and wants to sit down, so wakes up the sleepy guy so he can get to the seat.
Sleepy guy then starts having a go at him for waking him up. The other guy starts having a go at sleepy guy for, um, sleeping.
Turns out both guys are with a load of mates, and soon they're all having a go at each other - 'he just wanted to sit down' - 'he was just trying to get some sleep' etc.
Before long punches are being thrown. People get hit who are nothing to do with either guy, who then hit back, and before long half the carriage is randomly hitting out at people.
Whole thing breaks up eventually after someone pulls the emergency cord and it becomes clear no-one is going to get home unless they calm down.
Madness :rolleyes:
davesgcr
13-08-2005, 08:02
Over the years seen a few altercations.
Most memorable being a whining "Sloane" trying to get on a packed Northern line tube at Clapham South - just as she is about to squeeze in - some "gent" pushes her out as the doors are closing with the comment "no room here for your sort love!" (this was in the 1980s)
Another good one was someone who tried to get on at Goodge St one evening with a roll of chicken wire ......
Oxpecker
13-08-2005, 12:58
You don't get that sort of behaviour in First Class, plus it's air conditioned and I always get a seat :cool:
davesgcr
13-08-2005, 13:27
Seat / air conditioning ! We used to dream of a seat.
Luxery - at St Albans we are pitifully gratefull for a space on a train .....(get a seat on a slow train)
In my experience - (and I have been front line train staff / management) - the first class "behaviour" was far more awkward (arrogant / condescending etc) than your "average" lout.
Some good examples of behaviour - Chorleywood kid in 1st class with 2nd class ticket - on being ejected - "My father will ensure you are sacked - he is a Barrister " etc etc
A good ploy was to say - "Dont tell me - you are travelling to Berkhamstead" - "how did you know" ?
Obvious - they stand out a mile !
People who don't wait for others to get off the tube before trying to push their way on tend to get a few words from me.
Hellsbells
13-08-2005, 16:46
Once this pregnant woman had a right go at the entire tube carriage for asking her if she was alright and if she would like to sit down. She told everyone to fuck off and leave her alone and then burst into very loud tears. Which of course prompted more people to ask if she was alright. And another mouthful of abuse from her in return .....
Another time this woman screamed at a male passenger on a jam packed tube during rush hour. She had HUGE boobs and accused him of trying to feel them up. I was standing right next to both of them, and it was quite obvious he wasn't doing any such thing. He was simply trying to hold onto the rail and her boobs were slightly in the way. He told her it was a packed train - what was he to do? She said that he shouldn't have got on. He should have seen that there was a woman with large boobs in the carriage and known that squashing up close to her would be awkward and embarrasing for her.
Hasn't happened to me, but I see it a couple of times a year, I guess.
onenameshelley
15-08-2005, 11:21
I think there have only been two times when i really lost it.
i was trying to get to college in goodge street, the tube starts to slow down as we get to the station and i started trying to move down the carriage towards the doors, saying excuse me all the way along. I get to the doors, still saying excuse me, at this point people start bundling on the train before we could get off. And this one women wouldnt move despite me asking politely if i could get off, and i couldnt get round her to get off, then i snapped. The doors started to close and she made no effort to get out of the way so i pushed my way off, unfortunately taking her with me. So we both end up on the platform she turns round and said what did you do that for? and i just went mental and started poking her in the chest asking her "how many fucking times do i have do i have to say excuse me to you before you fucking move you daft bitch" she at that point closed her mouth and i walked away fuming that the whole thing had happened and that i let my temper get the better of me :rolleyes:
The 2nd time was trying to get on a packed train and this women was poking me in the back on the leg with her umbrella trying to get me to move faster because you can you see even if there are 50 people in front of you :rolleyes:. So anyway she keeps pushing and poking me and i lost it and asked her "if she would like to climb on my fucking back so i can carry you on?" I get a bit sweary when i have the hump. :(
shoddysolutions
15-08-2005, 11:25
A bloke offered me some crisps once on the platform at Embankment station.
Cheese and onion.
rubbershoes
15-08-2005, 11:36
i was on the circle line with mate of mine who has a rather plummy voice. a geezer came up and spat in his face.the carriage wasn't crowded and he hadn't been sitting right next to us. as far as i can tell , the only possible reason could have been that he didn't like my mate's voice
:(
serves him right for being middle class.
Explorer
15-08-2005, 11:40
A bloke offered me some crisps once on the platform at Embankment station.
Cheese and onion.
:D
I can be quite "interesting" on tube journeys after work, especially after downing a couple of Newcastle Broon Ales for my 2 hour journey home.
Had the shrugging shoulders and nonchalant reaction from passengers standing by the door when I want to get off at a station - my solution is to say to them:
"can you move please, I will be getting off at this station, and I'll pull the alarm if I can't get off", which means they'll be stuck for a few minutes until the driver resets the doors.
I blame the passengers least though, the staff I pity, it's the utter cunt management that gets the most of my wrath, and there was a time I'd enjoy nothing more than coating paper in superglue and feeding it into the ticket machines to damage their profits...
Donna Ferentes
15-08-2005, 11:55
That must have been nice for anybody else who wanted to use the ticket machines afterwards.
Mrs Magpie
15-08-2005, 12:10
I've been held up for important stuff because ticket machines are buggered and I've had to join a long snaking queue for a ticket office. :mad:
PacificOcean
15-08-2005, 12:45
A man offered help to a blind lady who was going down the steps to Westminster station. She started screaming at him and effing and blinding. Obviously she is really pissed off with people asking her if she wants help all the time, but there was no need for that sort of rudeness - a simple no would have sufficed.
Sort of poetic justice though, she tripped on the last stair.
passenger
15-08-2005, 12:46
i saw a bloke once at Stockwell tube i think, he had a headset on i pod type thing
he closed his eyes and slowly started to shuffle his feet, before we knew it
he was doing the Micheal Jackson moon walk thing.. if i could of died and curled up
of embarrassment for him :eek:
El Jugador
15-08-2005, 13:03
A man offered help to a blind lady who was going down the steps to Westminster station. She started screaming at him and effing and blinding. Obviously she is really pissed off with people asking her if she wants help all the time, but there was no need for that sort of rudeness - a simple no would have sufficed.
Sort of poetic justice though, she tripped on the last stair.
A lot of blind people hate it when well-meaning people simply grab their arm and drag them off down the street (or worse, the stairs!) ...what they really want is for you to offer your arm for them to take and hold onto and that way they remain in control of the situation. So what you may think is obvious is not neccessarily so, even though you are the one who has sight.
PacificOcean
15-08-2005, 13:14
A lot of blind people hate it when well-meaning people simply grab their arm and drag them off down the street (or worse, the stairs!) ...what they really want is for you to offer your arm for them to take and hold onto and that way they remain in control of the situation. So what you may think is obvious is not neccessarily so, even though you are the one who has sight.
No, he simply asked if she needed any help which was enough for her to launch into a tirade of abuse.
chieftain
15-08-2005, 13:40
kings cross, crowded picadilly line platform, evening rush hour:
Im making my way out in the crowd when I bang into a bloke on the platform, I apologise for knocking into him, he not got a problem with me. Another bloke then barges past me, bumps into the same bloke I had and then proceeds to barge him out of the way and race up the platform without so much of a "sorry mate"......................... The bloke just lost it, legged after the barger and battered him in the back of the head..........
Im so glad I have manners, especially that time
Structaural
15-08-2005, 14:25
Thameslink from Tulse Hill to Farringdon.
I'm sitting in window seat - reading book. Man gets on at Herne Hill, sits down next to me and gets out own book. Proceeds to attempt to push me into side of window. 'What are you doing mate?', 'You're encroaching into my space in my seat' 'This is how much space I take up - now stop pushing me'. Bloke keeps pushing... I shout 'move the fuck away from me or you'll be in the aisle'. Bloke stops pushing and mumbles under his breath 'no need to be so aggressive'... me: 'who started with the aggression?', 'sorry, sorry'...
Mrs Magpie
15-08-2005, 15:00
No, he simply asked if she needed any help which was enough for her to launch into a tirade of abuse.My husband did this once to a hapless chap at Stockwell tube...the poor bloke just happened to be about the hundreth person who'd tried to help when my husband had a hangover.
I was waiting for the Northern Line at Kings Cross once when I noticed this kid, who was with his posse, was smoking.
I got really angry, went up to him and said: "Would you mind putting that out, please? Do you not know that people have died in this station due to a fire caused by cigarettes?"
He started yelling at me: "No, I ain't putting out the fucking cigarette. You show me some fucking respect."
I yelled back: "Why the fuck should I show you respect, you sad little twat. Why don't you show some respect to the people who died?"
Just at that moment the tube arrived, so I spat 'wanker' at him and got on. Then he got on, and so did his posse. They shoved past me down the end of the carriage and started muttering. Oh fuck, I thought, I'm going to get spat on, or punched, or something. I'm a small female so I was a bit worried.
Then the smoking kid came up to me. I braced myself and he said: "Er, my mates just told me about the fire. I'm sorry, I didn't know, I thought you was having me on, I won't smoke in here again."
Result, though I'm well aware I might not be so lucky the next time I decide to get gobby with some kid on the tube...
dylanredefined
15-08-2005, 15:43
Asked a bloke to stop smoking once it was a train late at night the verbal aggresion i got back was astonshing .I could feel my aggresion going through the roof fortunatly he put the fag out and walked off i sat there shaking I was quite prepared to fight him to the death if he had tred to punch me madness :eek: .
. . . there was the time I got onto a crowded train at Elephant with me ice axe strapped to the back of my rucksack . . .
That must have been nice for anybody else who wanted to use the ticket machines afterwards.
On a Saturday night, yeah, they'll have it fixed by Monday and it costs them.
It costs them dear.
Juice Terry
16-08-2005, 11:51
On a Saturday night, yeah, they'll have it fixed by Monday and it costs them.
It costs them dear.
What sort of alternative universe do you live in where the transport company is uber-efficient and ticket machines get fixed over one weekend?
Orang Utan
16-08-2005, 11:59
On a Saturday night, yeah, they'll have it fixed by Monday and it costs them.
It costs them dear.
Why would you want to vandalise public transport equipment? What would you hope to achieve by this? :confused:
Donna Ferentes
16-08-2005, 12:00
On a Saturday night, yeah, they'll have it fixed by Monday and it costs them.
It costs them dear.Let's hope no members of the public want to use public transport late on Saturday or on Sunday then.
Christ.
Isambard
16-08-2005, 12:06
A mum with three kids and a big suitcase taking up LOADS of room and kind of snaking their way onto the escalator and I untintetionally got caught between them. She starts having a huge rant at me, not accepting my protestation that it wasn't deliberate - so in the end I asked her how she felt shouting and screaming like that in public and that she was a disgrace to her children. She shut up then.
Why would you want to vandalise public transport equipment? What would you hope to achieve by this? :confused:
At the time, it was a simple equation - they were spending more time and money on protecting their revenue than protecting passenger safety.
One shiny new computerised ticket machine, in a hall of many, given the glue treatment must have surely hit that profit margin...
chegrimandi
16-08-2005, 12:13
last night on the victoria line between kings cross and high & I some massive bloke got up and asked this city bloke to move from in front of the window that separates the carriages coz he was blocking the air flow - city bloke refuses to move, massive bloke headbuts city bloke - city bloke blood going everywhere on his forehead, massive bloke sits down calmly and stares out anyone daring to look at him including myself, then gets off at high and I and walks across the platform saying he'll kill anyone that does anything, vicitm bloke is helped off train and up the escalators......
it was fucking horrible :(
given a statement tho'
and I told the cops going down to get the bloke they might want back up as the headbutter chap was fucking enormous
Asked a bloke to stop smoking once it was a train late at night the verbal aggresion i got back was astonshing .I could feel my aggresion going through the roof fortunatly he put the fag out and walked off i sat there shaking I was quite prepared to fight him to the death if he had tred to punch me madness :eek: .
Reminds me of a funny story about this boy who got on the train, must of been about 17, anyway he started smoking in the carriage,trying to look hard mouthing off on his mobile to his mate, when this massive bloke just bowled up to him, stood in front of him and said, "your going to put that out arn't you!"
The kid looked petrified and looked like he was going to cry, he didn't say another word....Thought it was hilarious at the time.
Donna Ferentes
16-08-2005, 12:14
At the time, it was a simple equation - they were spending more time and money on protecting their revenue than protecting passenger safety.
One shiny new computerised ticket machine, in a hall of many, given the glue treatment must have surely hit that profit margin...
...as well as hitting all the people who wanted to use it.
Oxpecker
16-08-2005, 12:28
On the Vic Line yesterday a woman had one of those enormous buggies, double occupancy jobby with plenty of room for shopping etc. She only had one kid with her, though, who was sitting on her lap with the buggy parked to her side in the aisle blocking off 3 seats while people stood up all around. Nobody said a word, the whole thing was very stiff upper lip.
Frankly it pissed me off, but I was only going 1 stop so didn't bother saying anything. Why do people with buggies assume that they have the right to inconvenience everybody else, no matter how unreasonable their actions? I go out of my way to help people struggling with luggage / buggies when I can, but sometimes they don't help themselves. A simple folding buggy would be a fraction of the price she paid for that monstrosity and a lot more user friendly.
last night on the victoria line between kings cross and high & I some massive bloke got up and asked this city bloke to move from in front of the window that separates the carriages coz he was blocking the air flow - city bloke refuses to move, massive bloke headbuts city bloke - city bloke blood going everywhere on his forehead, massive bloke sits down calmly and stares out anyone daring to look at him including myself, then gets off at high and I and walks across the platform saying he'll kill anyone that does anything, vicitm bloke is helped off train and up the escalators......
it was fucking horrible :(
given a statement tho'
and I told the cops going down to get the bloke they might want back up as the headbutter chap was fucking enormous
It's stuff like that that makes me want to carry a weapon, something to equalise situations where the other bloke is bigger or fitter than you.
I might ask my mate who lives in the US to post me some pepper spray - you can just buy it in the shops over there.
Pepper spray is good - it works wellagainst someone attacking you, but its not like a knife - you aren't going to end up killing someone if it all kicks off. No lasting damage.
Giles..
Wouldn't you get done for using pepperspray on someone over here though?
I might ask my mate who lives in the US to post me some pepper spray - you can just buy it in the shops over there.It's piss easy to make with chilli oil or something similar I think.
Mrs Magpie
16-08-2005, 21:12
You can get done for just carrying it too, Callie.
I was waiting for the Northern Line at Kings Cross once when I noticed this kid, who was with his posse, was smoking...
I was innocently minding my own business on the Victoria Line when I smelt smoke. Saw a guy sitting there smoking and everyone else being English and trying to stare him out. He was merrily ignoring people. So at my stop I walked over, told him not to smoke, and for emphasis stubbed out his cigarette for him.
I can be a bit direct sometimes.
Usually I give people a maximum of two warnings. "Excuse me", "Excuse me"... And on the third I walk where I'm going. I'm skinny and quite bony. Most people aren't. So for me its a nice soft landing, for others they have to deal with sharper elbows.
You can get done for just carrying it too, Callie.
This is true, but it is a wrong law.
I have the right to defend myself as I see fit. The stupid rules here may not agree, but I know I am right.
Giles..
Isambard
17-08-2005, 08:06
Why do people with buggies assume that they have the right to inconvenience everybody else, no matter how unreasonable their actions?
Word!
Oh yeah, I mouthed off once at a STUPID BINT who thought it was OK to sashay through a busy interchange station in the rush hour with a cup of hot coffee with NO lid on it! :mad:
Donna Ferentes
17-08-2005, 08:14
I have the right to defend myself as I see fit. No, you don't. You have the right to defend yourself, but not as you see fit.
I have the right to defend myself as I see fit. The stupid rules here may not agree, but I know I am right.
Nope. You have the right to defend yourself according the law of the land.
Andy the Don
17-08-2005, 08:40
It's stuff like that that makes me want to carry a weapon, something to equalise situations where the other bloke is bigger or fitter than you.
I might ask my mate who lives in the US to post me some pepper spray - you can just buy it in the shops over there.
Pepper spray is good - it works wellagainst someone attacking you, but its not like a knife - you aren't going to end up killing someone if it all kicks off. No lasting damage.
Giles..
Or you could just move out of the way of the air flow as the person requested.
No, you don't. You have the right to defend yourself, but not as you see fit.
I'm not talking about rules others have made. I'm talking about me, and what I feel to be right.
Giles..
dylanredefined
17-08-2005, 08:50
Pepper spray is horrible stuff .Was Once in a mall in florida there was a stall selling pepper spray .Being an idiot I expressed the idea that as it was basically concentrated tabassco and wouldnt stop anyone .Stall owner suggested I try some sprayed a little in a large tin .I took a Big sniff smiling was just about to say "Its useless" When my nose started burning eyes streaming throat burning made the mistake of rubbing my eyes .Was on the floor for 5 mins should have been on commision :) .
Probably good self defence weapon but if you could get one so could bad guys .And if police catch you youre in trouble .
KeyboardJockey
17-08-2005, 08:57
Wouldn't you get done for using pepperspray on someone over here though?
I think 'noxious gas' type thingies and ammonia grenades are considered Section Five firearms over here the unlicensed possesion of which carries a five year prison sentence.
Oxpecker
17-08-2005, 09:09
The British Transport Police used cs gas to "subdue" an Australian passenger on the Central Line last week. Result - 3 injured members of staff, one of whom had to go to hospital. Now the union is suing the arse of them :)
Not a good idea to use cs gas, or even pepper spray in a confined space I reckon.
Orang Utan
17-08-2005, 10:12
This is true, but it is a wrong law.
I have the right to defend myself as I see fit. The stupid rules here may not agree, but I know I am right.
Giles..
You're so full of shit, Giles - using pepper spray on the tube is the height of stupidity.
If you're so anxious about defending yourself, learn tae kwon do or something.
Mrs Magpie
17-08-2005, 10:26
The British Transport Police used cs gas to "subdue" an Australian passenger on the Central Line last week. Result - 3 injured members of staff, one of whom had to go to hospital. Now the union is suing the arse of them :)
Not a good idea to use cs gas, or even pepper spray in a confined space I reckon.When I was a Lay visitor, I could tell if CS spray had been used in an arrest as the second I stepped into the Custody Area my eyes and nose would start burning.
Mrs Magpie
17-08-2005, 10:27
btw CS gas isn't used in the UK, it's CS spray which is considered safer.
Mrs Magpie
17-08-2005, 10:29
Another fact about CS....in South Africa where it was widely used, it was responsible for the deaths of babies. Their lungs would be affected and they would die as their lungs filled with fluid.
I've been in a pub when someone has set off some pepper spray - not very pleasant.
Donna Ferentes
17-08-2005, 11:23
What did they do for salt?
Oxpecker
17-08-2005, 11:29
btw CS gas isn't used in the UK, it's CS spray which is considered safer.
I stand corrected.
That's happening a lot these days :o
Gavin Bl
17-08-2005, 11:40
I'm not talking about rules others have made. I'm talking about me, and what I feel to be right.
I agree - my Luger is rarely cold on public transport.
Donna Ferentes
17-08-2005, 11:41
I stand corrected.
That's happening a lot these days :oAnno domini?
I can be quite "interesting" on tube journeys after work, especially after downing a couple of Newcastle Broon Ales for my 2 hour journey home.
Had the shrugging shoulders and nonchalant reaction from passengers standing by the door when I want to get off at a station - my solution is to say to them:
"can you move please, I will be getting off at this station, and I'll pull the alarm if I can't get off", which means they'll be stuck for a few minutes until the driver resets the doors.
I blame the passengers least though, the staff I pity, it's the utter cunt management that gets the most of my wrath, and there was a time I'd enjoy nothing more than coating paper in superglue and feeding it into the ticket machines to damage their profits...
What a prize prick you are! That's not going to damage profits, it's just going to piss a lot of people off - you inadequate pillock.
The subcontractors (a private company, of course) will be making hundreds of pounds from each repair job you cause. Stephen Norris owes you a drink.
Don't pity the staff, we get 10 weeks off a years and earn good money. And we deserve it, having to restrain ourselves from the urge to knock twats like you into the middle of next week is a highly underestimated skill...
Isambard
17-08-2005, 11:48
Experienced travellers with a regular route know they need to get on the train at that end to have a decent connection when they change etc. So while you're still waiting for people to get off the tannoy etc is moaning at the passengers to use all the doors and get on quicker! :mad:
At the time, it was a simple equation - they were spending more time and money on protecting their revenue than protecting passenger safety.
One shiny new computerised ticket machine, in a hall of many, given the glue treatment must have surely hit that profit margin...
The types of action which you endorse would lead to an increase in the number of staff assaults caused by the now ticketless public, thus leading to less staff on stations, thus leading a less safe railway.
PK, you are a bit of a simplistic idiot really aren't you?
Can you tell me when 'they were spending more time and money on protecting their revenue than protecting passenger safety.'? Or did you read it in the Standard?
Oxpecker
17-08-2005, 12:32
Anno domini?
You're getting me confused with pbman; he's the Latin expert. I'm a poor simple tube driver.
I had a drunken business man threaten to kill me for asking him to stand on the right of the escalator. Thing is, I wasn't that bothered but the people bwehid me were all getting annoyed so I politely asked him if we could move. He started shouting at me "Nobody tells me what to do! Or else!" When I asked "Or else what?" he did that drawing his finger across his throat thing.
We carried on rowing for a bit - then I went and told the station staff that he had threatened to kill me. They went with me on the train to the next station to make sure I was ok.
and there was a time I'd enjoy nothing more than coating paper in superglue and feeding it into the ticket machines to damage their profits...
If I'm ever stranded far from home late on a Saturday night and forced to walk to another station in the dark because some complete c*nt has glued up the ticket machines leaving me unable to get on the tube, I'll think of you pk. :mad:
We can't all jump over the barriers, fucks sake I can't even walk properly.
I was once standing up on a tube, quite a few years ago, with a reasonably gobby but pretty girl that i went to college with. All of a sudden she held this blokes hand up in the air and said "does any one know who this belongs to coz i just found it on my arse"!!
You could tell by the blokes reaction that he had indeed been touching her arse and was highly embarrassed.
I would never have had the guts but good on her!
I was once standing up on a tube, quite a few years ago, with a reasonably gobby but pretty girl that i went to college with. All of a sudden she held this blokes hand up in the air and said "does any one know who this belongs to coz i just found it on my arse"!!
You could tell by the blokes reaction that he had indeed been touching her arse and was highly embarrassed.
I would never have had the guts but good on her!
Wicked :D
That remindes me of a story my Mum told me. She was in the tube inthe seventies or eighties and a man groped her bum she had these big fuck off stilettos on so slowly stepped backwards hard on his foot. When he yelped she said sarcatically 'Oh I am so sorry did I stand on your foot' :D
Since they put those Rottweiler gates in, they have clearly been focusing more on profit than safety.
Before the London attacks I've been made to walk the remainder of my journey because the train breaks down or the temperature in the carriages is through the roof - illegal for cattle transport never mind humans.
Add to that the jobsworth cunt who insists you go through the Rott gates even though there's a wide open gate and you have a valid ticket, and I have no regrets whatsoever about gluing up a few ticket machines.
If you're really Underground staff, or any train company for that matter, then you might want to remind yourself next time you get in an argument with a passenger who doesn't want to take bagfuls of equipment through those shitty snappy gates (I broke one of them once too, it's still fucked - another story) that the customer is always right.
How the fuck any of this would actually lead to an increase in staff assaults I don't know... less jobsworthyness and more common sense in dealing with a frustrated public might even reduce assaults.
We have the most expensive fares in the Western world - I fully support fare evasion as often as you can get away with it.
The types of action which you endorse would lead to an increase in the number of staff assaults caused by the now ticketless public, thus leading to less staff on stations, thus leading a less safe railway.
PK, you are a bit of a simplistic idiot really aren't you?
Can you tell me when 'they were spending more time and money on protecting their revenue than protecting passenger safety.'? Or did you read it in the Standard?
Pickman's model
18-08-2005, 11:39
Or did you read it in the Standard?have you examples where the standard's reported stuff about lt services inaccurately?
pk - you say you're interested in safety. What about the safety of those, such as myself, who may have to walk part of the way home late at night because the ticket machines are out of order and I can't get through the barriers?
Serious question, I'm not being deliberately argumentative, but it seems that while citing interest in passenger safety, people who do this sort of thing are actually putting people at risk when they may have to walk alone at night through parts of London they don't know looking for another tube station.
Genuinely confused. :confused:
pinkmonkey
18-08-2005, 12:08
pk - you say you're interested in safety. What about the safety of those, such as myself, who may have to walk part of the way home late at night because the ticket machines are out of order and I can't get through the barriers?
Serious question, I'm not being deliberately argumentative, but it seems that while citing interest in passenger safety, people who do this sort of thing are actually putting people at risk when they may have to walk alone at night through parts of London they don't know looking for another tube station.
Genuinely confused. :confused:
I think he might be trolling :p
GarfieldLeChat
18-08-2005, 12:33
It's stuff like that that makes me want to carry a weapon, something to equalise situations where the other bloke is bigger or fitter than you.
I might ask my mate who lives in the US to post me some pepper spray - you can just buy it in the shops over there.
Pepper spray is good - it works wellagainst someone attacking you, but its not like a knife - you aren't going to end up killing someone if it all kicks off. No lasting damage.
Giles..
great idea except of course for the warnings on the side of the packet don't use in confined spaces ... like erm say the tube... :rolleyes:
pepper spray can and does block airways cause problems for asmatics and can cause suffocation, use it on the underground and you would effectivley ruin the entire carrage thus putting the train out of action and prolly affecting most of the people around you the upshot would be definate criminal proceedings and possibly jail time for such a stipid and irresponsible action...
oh and if you did it in a carrage with me in it i fucking break your fucking legs too...
I think he might be trolling :p
Oh I know pk likes a good bunfight ;)
I'm more worried that others may see the thread and think it sounds like a great idea without considering that they may be putting people, especially women or those physically unable to jump the barriers, at risk by leaving them stranded!
great idea except of course for the warnings on the side of the packet don't use in confined spaces ... like erm say the tube... :rolleyes:
pepper spray can and does block airways cause problems for asmatics and can cause suffocation, use it on the underground and you would effectivley ruin the entire carrage thus putting the train out of action and prolly affecting most of the people around you the upshot would be definate criminal proceedings and possibly jail time for such a stipid and irresponsible action...
oh and if you did it in a carrage with me in it i fucking break your fucking legs too...
I only said that if I had some, and if someone smacked me in the face, I would use it on them, as a general point. If someone physically attacks me, then all normal rules of play and considerations are suspended. I'm not going to waste time reading the damn manual, am I?
Giles..
Add to that the jobsworth cunt who insists you go through the Rott gates even though there's a wide open gate and you have a valid ticket, and I have no regrets whatsoever about gluing up a few ticket machines.
If you're really Underground staff, or any train company for that matter, then you might want to remind yourself next time you get in an argument with a passenger who doesn't want to take bagfuls of equipment through those shitty snappy gates (I broke one of them once too, it's still fucked - another story) that the customer is always right.
More the customer is a vandal who shouldn't be allowed on the Underground...!
dylanredefined
18-08-2005, 13:15
I think years ago at covent garden someone chucked a cs canister in
lift at the tube station killed a old lady rest of us had to walk up stairs which smelt of cs gas luckily just enough to give a bad taste in mouth in enclosed spaces those sort of things are lethal .
Mrs Magpie
18-08-2005, 13:17
I think I have a vague memory of reading about an incident like that....can't remember the details though
Orang Utan
18-08-2005, 13:19
I only said that if I had some, and if someone smacked me in the face, I would use it on them, as a general point. If someone physically attacks me, then all normal rules of play and considerations are suspended. I'm not going to waste time reading the damn manual, am I?
Giles..
Inconsiderate bastard - you'd spray someone for punching you? That's both cowardly and stupid. If someone smacks you once, you should turn the other cheek and get away from them, rather than making the situation worse by involving other innocent people and giving your assailant more reasons to hit you again.
Isambard
18-08-2005, 13:19
I'm not going to waste time reading the damn manual, am I?
You are Tony Martins young nephew and I claim my free Travelcard!
Inconsiderate bastard - you'd spray someone for punching you? That's both cowardly and stupid. If someone smacks you once, you should turn the other cheek and get away from them, rather than making the situation worse by involving other innocent people and giving your assailant more reasons to hit you again.
It's not "cowardly".
We're not talking about some sort of sport here.
If someone started on me, whether out of a motive of robbery, drunkenness or whatever, then I'm not going to play by some set of rules. This is the jungle, and there are no rules.
Giles..
Orang Utan
18-08-2005, 13:34
It's not "cowardly".
We're not talking about some sort of sport here.
If someone started on me, whether out of a motive of robbery, drunkenness or whatever, then I'm not going to play by some set of rules. This is the jungle, and there are no rules.
Giles..
So it would be fine for him to stab you then?
You can't raise the game and not expect to have it raised on you.
This is not a jungle and there are rules, you muppet.
Mrs Magpie
18-08-2005, 13:36
He can't help his mindset...he's a property developer called Giles...it's wrong to mock the afflicted.
So it would be fine for him to stab you then?
You can't raise the game and not expect to have it raised on you.
This is not a jungle and there are rules, you muppet.
WHat I am saying is that once someone attacks you physically, you can defend yourself however you are able. It's not boxing, or wrestling. Someone else, who may be better at fighting than you are, is trying to hurt you. Your absolute priority is to stop them. That's all.
I would only consider the rules afterwards.
Giles..
rubbershoes
18-08-2005, 13:42
This is not a jungle and there are rules, you muppet.
well said that simian
The best rule is almost always to run like hell
He can't help his mindset...he's a property developer called Giles...it's wrong to mock the afflicted.
What is that supposed to mean? What has my job or my name got to do with my response to a mugger, nutter etc?
What would you do? Fight "fair"?
Giles..
WHat I am saying is that once someone attacks you physically, you can defend yourself however you are able. It's not boxing, or wrestling. Someone else, who may be better at fighting than you are, is trying to hurt you. Your absolute priority is to stop them. That's all.
I would only consider the rules afterwards.
What... When you are in gaol and *you* are the one being charged...?
Mrs Magpie
18-08-2005, 13:55
I have done Giles...I'm a woman of under 5' 4" and I have been attacked and moreover defended myself adequately, included a time I was being throttled by a man of over 6' (I pulled his beard out of his chin with my left hand as my right arm was pinned behind me) and was able to get away...mostly though I have stopped fights including a recent incident between a man with a blade and a man with a belt, and was calm enough to do the first aid till the ambulance arrived...it's about confidence and brains and body language.
edited to add...the last incident was on public transport, the first wasn't.
Oxpecker
18-08-2005, 13:56
If you're really Underground staff, or any train company for that matter, then you might want to remind yourself next time you get in an argument with a passenger who doesn't want to take bagfuls of equipment through those shitty snappy gates (I broke one of them once too, it's still fucked - another story) that the customer is always right.
How the fuck any of this would actually lead to an increase in staff assaults I don't know... less jobsworthyness and more common sense in dealing with a frustrated public might even reduce assaults.
You crack me up sometimes, the customer is always right, indeed :D
I don't know if you've ever worked in a service industry, but if you have you'd know that while a huge majority of "customers" are thoroughly decent human beings there are a number of others who make unreasonable demands on hard working members of staff and then take umbrage when we don't dance to their tune. If you constantly find your life blighted by "jobsworths", you should consider that perhaps it is your behaviour and demeanour which is eliciting a negative response.
In other words, lighten up, you arrogant cunt :)
PacificOcean
18-08-2005, 14:33
I have done Giles...I'm a woman of under 5' 4" and I have been attacked and moreover defended myself adequately, included a time I was being throttled by a man of over 6' (I pulled his beard out of his chin with my left hand as my right arm was pinned behind me) and was able to get away...mostly though I have stopped fights including a recent incident between a man with a blade and a man with a belt, and was calm enough to do the first aid till the ambulance arrived...it's about confidence and brains and body language.
edited to add...the last incident was on public transport, the first wasn't.
Blimey, I wouldn't like to meet you on a dark night. :D
Mrs Magpie
18-08-2005, 14:38
I never ever carry a weapon...it's a very stupid thing to do, for a start it can end up being used against you, quite apart from being illegal...After the throttling attempt I did do basic self-defence because I kept thinking "What if he hadn't had a beard?"
I do have the advantage of having worked with very disturbed and violent teenagers so I'm good at calming situations down and at reading body language...I don't wade in willy-nilly.
I never ever carry a weapon...it's a very stupid thing to do, for a start it can end up being used against you, quite apart from being illegal...After the throttling attempt I did do basic self-defence because I kept thinking "What if he hadn't had a beard?"
Carry one with you...? Become friends with a bearded man...? Perhaps start hormone treatment and grow one yourself...!
It's not "cowardly".
We're not talking about some sort of sport here.
If someone started on me, whether out of a motive of robbery, drunkenness or whatever, then I'm not going to play by some set of rules. This is the jungle, and there are no rules.
Giles..
that's true, you could carry an AK47 in your bag if you really wanted to, but it wouldn't be very wise, nor would you get away with it.
pk - you say you're interested in safety. What about the safety of those, such as myself, who may have to walk part of the way home late at night because the ticket machines are out of order and I can't get through the barriers?
Serious question, I'm not being deliberately argumentative, but it seems that while citing interest in passenger safety, people who do this sort of thing are actually putting people at risk when they may have to walk alone at night through parts of London they don't know looking for another tube station.
Genuinely confused. :confused:
If the ticket machines are not working then all barriers should be open - they should never ever have unmanned barriers at any station.
If they do - then they're putting profits before safety... again.
I have done Giles...I'm a woman of under 5' 4" and I have been attacked and moreover defended myself adequately, included a time I was being throttled by a man of over 6' (I pulled his beard out of his chin with my left hand as my right arm was pinned behind me)
:eek: You ripped his beard off!? :eek: once more! * mental note: Do NOT ever mess with Mrs M. *
Mrs Magpie
18-08-2005, 17:42
What is really alarming is at the behest of my daughter I've just googled his name and he was giving a lecture at The Big Green Gathering :eek:
I also cannot comprehend how hard you would have to pull for the beard to actually be ripped off :eek:
:eek: You ripped his beard off!? :eek: once more! * mental note: Do NOT ever mess with Mrs M. *
i wouldn't mess with her.
she's got buckets full of self confidence, the sort of stuff that some people need 10 years of martial arts lessons to get.
Mrs Magpie
18-08-2005, 20:15
I also cannot comprehend how hard you would have to pull for the beard to actually be ripped off :eek:It's amazing the strength you can muster when unable to breath with thumbs pressed hard into your windpipe....it was a wispy hippy beard, not a trimmed shipshape naval one....his chin bled and he let go and I legged it.
Mrs Magpie
18-08-2005, 20:18
she's got buckets full of self confidence, the sort of stuff that some people need 10 years of martial arts lessons to get.No, I only had one lesson, from a really scary feminist. Actually I spend a lot of time crippled by self-doubt...it's all a front really...I used to be quite a mouse. Age and experience helps. And a stiff drink before something worrying. Not interviews though...I save the stiff drink for afterwards.
No, I only had one lesson, from a really scary feminist. Actually I spend a lot of time crippled by self-doubt...it's all a front really...I used to be quite a mouse. Age and experience helps. And a stiff drink before something worrying. Not interviews though...I save the stiff drink for afterwards.
well, whatever you had works.
you have the self confidence that will tell most people to bog off without getting into a fight. from the way i've been taught, that is most of the battle won.
stroober
19-08-2005, 07:56
RIGHT!!!!!!!! :mad:
Today i finally lost it at someone on the tube this morning!!!!!
Why is it that small sloany birds seem to have the right to open there umbrellas right in your face. This happened twice on Putney Bridge tube platform, the third time this happened..... i lost and ranted at this wee lass
She then looked meek and mumbled an appology
*shakes fist ###*^&%^%$*(%% rassa frassa* :mad:
onenameshelley
19-08-2005, 08:33
RIGHT!!!!!!!! :mad:
Today i finally lost it at someone on the tube this morning!!!!!
Why is it that small sloany birds seem to have the right to open there umbrellas right in your face. This happened twice on Putney Bridge tube platform, the third time this happened..... i lost and ranted at this wee lass
She then looked meek and mumbled an appology
*shakes fist ###*^&%^%$*(%% rassa frassa* :mad:
Did you make her cry.... :eek:
stroober
19-08-2005, 08:35
me??!?! no i am nae that nasty
no she just got oot me way in a sheepish have been corrected type way
dinnae worry am much calmer now ;)
onenameshelley
19-08-2005, 08:37
me??!?! no i am nae that nasty
no she just got oot me way in a sheepish have been corrected type way
dinnae worry am much calmer now ;)
I probably would have kicked you in the ankles and legged it.... but thats just me :D
stroober
19-08-2005, 08:40
I probably would have kicked you in the ankles and legged it.... but thats just me :D
severe!!!!!! i could have but not really wanting a record for criminal assault (and besides putney bridge ain't the best tube to scarper from in non getting nabbed try of way ;)
onenameshelley
19-08-2005, 08:47
severe!!!!!! i could have but not really wanting a record for criminal assault (and besides putney bridge ain't the best tube to scarper from in non getting nabbed try of way ;)
Edited because i was being grouchy :o
Andy the Don
19-08-2005, 08:56
RIGHT!!!!!!!! :mad:
Today i finally lost it at someone on the tube this morning!!!!!
Why is it that small sloany birds seem to have the right to open there umbrellas right in your face. This happened twice on Putney Bridge tube platform, the third time this happened..... i lost and ranted at this wee lass
She then looked meek and mumbled an appology
*shakes fist ###*^&%^%$*(%% rassa frassa* :mad:
Being tall I find that on rainy days I have to watch for short persons with umbrellas in case they take my eye out. Had a go at someone outside Camden tube this morning as I was exiting the station they entered with their umbrella up & nearly blinded me. Then did not even apologise.
stroober
19-08-2005, 08:59
Edited because i was being grouchy :o
oic *mental note wear shin pads at all times on rainy days* :D
Isambard
19-08-2005, 09:01
My ex will force other peoples umbrellas out of his face with some force if they are about to poke him in the eye. I usually think he's a selfish bastard but he's right in the case even if i find it, im my British way, "causing a fuss".
onenameshelley
19-08-2005, 09:06
oic *mental note wear shin pads at all times on rainy days* :D
Nah i was just being grouchy from lack of sleep sorry dude :o , i wouldnt kick you in the ankles on a rainy day honest guv *does the funny finger pledge thing*
Being tall I find that on rainy days I have to watch for short persons with umbrellas in case they take my eye out. Had a go at someone outside Camden tube this morning as I was exiting the station they entered with their umbrella up & nearly blinded me. Then did not even apologise.
i've broken more than one umbrella that was about to blind me. bloody selfish idiots with umbrellas that they aim at my eyes are one of my least favourite things in the world
stroober
19-08-2005, 09:17
Nah i was just being grouchy from lack of sleep sorry dude :o , i wouldnt kick you in the ankles on a rainy day honest guv *does the funny finger pledge thing*
http://www.pageantfancydress.co.uk/pageant/costume_images/batch2_057.jpg
new to work on a rainy day suit, 'stick an umbrella spoke in my eye would you mu ha mu ha ha ha ha ha' :D
onenameshelley
19-08-2005, 09:25
http://www.pageantfancydress.co.uk/pageant/costume_images/batch2_057.jpg
new to work on a rainy day suit, 'stick an umbrella spoke in my eye would you mu ha mu ha ha ha ha ha' :D
jeez you really arent taking any chances are you :eek: I cant help it i do try not to poke people in the eye but if your only 5ft its kinda difficult :(
stroober
19-08-2005, 09:27
awwww((((((((((((((ons)))))))))))))))))
sorry i dinnae mean to heightist ;)
onenameshelley
19-08-2005, 09:30
awwww((((((((((((((ons)))))))))))))))))
sorry i dinnae mean to heightist ;)
Yeah its hard being short you know, u have to climb up shelves at the supermarket, peoples armpits at face level :(
detective-boy
19-08-2005, 09:52
Pepper spray is good - it works wellagainst someone attacking you, but its not like a knife - you aren't going to end up killing someone if it all kicks off. No lasting damage.
Just in case asnyone is thinking of taking Giles´advice ... carrying pepper spray in the UK is illegal. Not only is it possession of an offensive weapon (s.1 Prevention of Crimes Act 1953 - arrestable offence, 2 yrs max. penalty (I think it´s 2)) but most, along with all CS sprays, are prohibited weapons under the Firerams Act 1968, again arrestable but with much higher max. penalties and quite posssibly short sentences of imprisonment even for first offences.
detective-boy
19-08-2005, 09:57
When my nose started burning eyes streaming throat burning made the mistake of rubbing my eyes .
Bit of advice if you ever get CS or pepper spray in your eyes ...
DON´T rub them
DON´T splash water on them
DO blow air over them - sit in front of a fan, waft your face with a magazine or whatever, for 10-15 mins. (And remember the stuff settles on skin, clothing, etc. so if you then touch them and then your eyes you´ll start it all off again - everything contaminated should be cleaned)
(I know this from experience - in the first few weeks my team got CS spray they managed to spray me during incidents about four times ... they said it was by mistake but I´m not so sure ... :confused: )
Mrs Magpie
19-08-2005, 09:58
I once saw a PC in the custody suite in a paper suit in front of a fan and his uniform hung out on the cage....
detective-boy
19-08-2005, 10:03
btw CS gas isn't used in the UK, it's CS spray which is considered safer.
CS gas is designed to get into the airways and lungs (it´s a gas). CS spray is designed to get onto the mucus membranes of the eyes and nasal passages and cause irritation to disorientate (it´s effectively an aerosol). Obviously there is some risk of a relatively small amount of CS getting into the airway but it is blown out of all proportion by those who oppose the use of the sprays.
detective-boy
19-08-2005, 10:04
I once saw a PC in the custody suite in a paper suit in front of a fan and his uniform hung out on the cage....
Nah ... he was just the station fetishist ... ;)
Mrs Magpie
19-08-2005, 10:04
Every time I've seen CS spray used it looks like a long thin streak of piss (best way I can think of describing it)
If the ticket machines are not working then all barriers should be open - they should never ever have unmanned barriers at any station.
If they do - then they're putting profits before safety... again.
Once again you display your ignorance. In the event of an emergency/evacuation situation, safety will be put first. At the flick of one button all gates can be opened remotely from the station control room or ticket office.
In the event all ticket machines not working and the ticket office being closed customers are advised to pay at destination.
You reckon THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. Well sorry, that's not true, 'the customer always comes first' is a better phrase. The customer is not always right, sometimes customers are misinformed, fare-dodging vandals like yourself.
You may think I am a jobsworth, but believe me none of the staff under my supervision would ever think to chase a no mark cunt like you for a measly 2 quid.
We're too busy talking about where we'll spend our next two weeks off. ;)
detective-boy
19-08-2005, 11:18
Every time I've seen CS spray used it looks like a long thin streak of piss (best way I can think of describing it)
Yep, it is more liquid than gas, but there is a limited aerosol (airborne solution) aspect to it but certainly far more like a manual pump-action perfume dispenser than a fully aerosol deodorant can. Think of one of those adjustable hoepipe nozzles - it´s not quite single stream but only a notch or two up from that and certainly not full spray/mist.
GarfieldLeChat
19-08-2005, 11:37
I only said that if I had some, and if someone smacked me in the face, I would use it on them, as a general point. If someone physically attacks me, then all normal rules of play and considerations are suspended. I'm not going to waste time reading the damn manual, am I?
Giles..
then i'd be full with in my rights to break your legs for attempting to gas me by default i'm not going to watse my time explaining to a muppet liek you why even yourtiny brain should work out that gas emitted in a confined space will spread... (have you never been in a lift when some ones farted ffs ijet think... even with your machoisitic posturing...)
besides you'd be too busy chocking from your own spray as you'd be the second person that it affected....
GarfieldLeChat
19-08-2005, 11:43
My ex will force other peoples umbrellas out of his face with some force if they are about to poke him in the eye. I usually think he's a selfish bastard but he's right in the case even if i find it, im my British way, "causing a fuss".
i always find holding a lighter to them tends to ge tthe attention of the person who's attempting to use their brolly as a barge board through london...
then i'd be full with in my rights to break your legs for attempting to gas me by default i'm not going to watse my time explaining to a muppet liek you why even yourtiny brain should work out that gas emitted in a confined space will spread... (have you never been in a lift when some ones farted ffs ijet think... even with your machoisitic posturing...)
besides you'd be too busy chocking from your own spray as you'd be the second person that it affected....
Garfield, you don't need to explain anything to me.
Giles..
GarfieldLeChat
19-08-2005, 11:45
Garfield, you don't need to explain anything to me.
Giles..
really then care to explain your impotent posuturing ...
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