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The bus will have had a camera on board, video possibly.
At least we'll have pictures of the surplus fuck that detonated the device.
lenny101
07-07-2005, 16:20
The people who did this are still out there, unless it was all suicide bombers.
The bus will have had a camera on board, video possibly.
At least we'll have pictures of the surplus fuck that detonated the device.
Weren't they showing pictures from that during the press conference on the BBC? Or was that something else? Blurry pictures of a mans back, looked like a bus, if that's the best they had then it won't show much, very blurry, looked like a white guy though, not that that means anything.
Mr.Bishie
07-07-2005, 16:24
Didn't someone say that a phone detonation device had been found in a bin? And that Police had recovered it?
If so, it wasn't a suicide bomber :confused:
I thought the Beeb confirmed it was a suicide bomber??
From the BBC site:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41278000/jpg/_41278845_bma203.jpg
Dr Buckman, a London GP and member of the BMA's GP committee, said: "The most extreme thing I first noticed as I walked in was that there was someone in bits in the road.
And he added: "When I arrived the most amazing things was the amount of blood everywhere, plastered across the front of the BMA..
Didn't someone say that a phone detonation device had been found in a bin? And that Police had recovered it?
If so, it wasn't a suicide bomber :confused:
or something like the phone unit next to the bus had been taken away
yes :confused:
The bus will have had a camera on board, video possibly.
At least we'll have pictures of the surplus fuck that detonated the device.
Yeah but probably it's in about a thousand different pieces by now :(
It's not a black box flight recorder..
Weren't they showing pictures from that during the press conference on the BBC? Or was that something else? Blurry pictures of a mans back, looked like a bus, if that's the best they had then it won't show much, very blurry, looked like a white guy though, not that that means anything.
They were tube pics, no?
Blurry pictures of a mans back, looked like a bus, if that's the best they had then it won't show much, very blurry, looked like a white guy though, not that that means anything.
Them fucking nazis did it ill bet :mad:
Stobart Stopper
07-07-2005, 16:27
No one will know yet, not until the forensics have been done and that will take a while for them to work out if it was a suicide bomber or a timed explosion.
Yeah but probably it's in about a thousand different pieces by now :(
It's not a black box flight recorder..
Not really - the roof of the bus was taken out - but the lower deck was relatively unharmed.
The videotape would yield vital evidence.
Mr.Bishie
07-07-2005, 16:28
or something like the phone unit next to the bus had been taken away
yes :confused:
Then it was a detonation, not a suicide bomber. No one knows wtf is going on at present :confused:
Them fucking nazis did ill bet :mad:
What?
kropotkin
07-07-2005, 16:29
not more idiots...
Kings X re-opened - for suburban services only
They were tube pics, no?
Probably, my mistake.
Edit:
@ editor... Fuck... have the BBC taken it down already? Couldn't see that picture there... jasus.
Them fucking nazis did it ill bet :mad:First and last post I reckon.
Probably, my mistake.
I don't know for sure... but given the sensitive nature of the bus pics I doubt they'd use them as a backdrop for a press-call...
I don't know for sure... but given the sensitive nature of the bus pics I doubt they'd use them as a backdrop for a press-call...
It was running in a box along with the broadcast, not actually part of the conference, no difference though, 'tis probably a tube picture, as someone said, not much chance of the bus ones being out yet.
It was running in a box along with the broadcast, not actually part of the conference, no difference though, 'tis probably a tube picture, as someone said, not much chance of the bus ones being out yet.
BBC News 24 was running the press conference in a half-screen window at left, and a slideshow in a window at right. I remember one of the slideshow images being people evacuating along an Underground tunnel* - and I think the bus image was another.
Gah, I'm getting sick of Bush and Blair shedding their crocodile tears on BBC News 24.
First and last post I reckon.Damn right.
It'll just be images from the day looping now, during interviews and the like.
New footage will be announced, or packaged for the 10 o'clock news.
I doubt they'd just show the bus pics until Scot Yard has decided to show them as part of an info drive.
Gah, I'm getting sick of Bush and Blair shedding their crocodile tears on BBC News 24.
I think that's a bit unfair.
No matter what your politics are - these attacks are sickening.
Blowing up innocent people is a cunt's tactic.
SubZeroCat
07-07-2005, 16:42
I think I just noticed something in the BBC pics that I shouldnt have :(
Louloubelle
07-07-2005, 16:43
I think I just noticed something in the BBC pics that I shouldnt have :(
what? :confused:
*hopes it's OK to ask*
I think I just noticed something in the BBC pics that I shouldnt have :(
?
NickLarmour
07-07-2005, 16:46
Watchin news on the net.
Just showed a shot from the chopper, a train leaving Liverpool St. Twas live apparently.
exosculate
07-07-2005, 16:47
I am in shock
I guess we all knew this was coming though.
Utter bastards - innocent civilians are not a legitimate target EVER
SubZeroCat
07-07-2005, 16:47
Some body part or something, with blood. I dunno really but I dunno what else it could be.
Sorry guys, not really something to be discussing about I reckon....
Kid_Eternity
07-07-2005, 16:47
Watchin news on the net.
Just showed a shot from the chopper, a train leaving Liverpool St. Twas live apparently.
Link?
Jessiedog
07-07-2005, 16:48
seconded
Thirded!
Woof
Jessiedog
07-07-2005, 16:49
Hi all, is there anyone who can confirm that the tubes (central line in my case) are running again as the BBC travel site and the National Rail underground site are still listing "all stations closed and services suspended". Link to a decent transport site that actually gets updated would be useful.
Thanks to you all for keeping me updated throughout the day.
/relurk
Bump.
Welcome 10.
Blessings all.
:(
Woof
maximilian ping
07-07-2005, 16:54
lunchtime i saw BBC TV film of a bloke being taken out of an ambulance on a stretcher at whitechapel hospital with docs pounding his heart to save his life. he was a young bloke. it really gutted me and i havent seen the footage since.
sneeky fucking lunatic terrorism coward cunts
NickLarmour
07-07-2005, 16:55
Link?
It was a live broadcast ie no link. Go on the BBC site n do the watchin bit if u wanna c if they play it again.
i just realized that the bus that exploded was heading to euston from holborn... probably a 59, which I take every morning to work... must've been the one I missed in Brixton earlier.
:( :( :mad:
Mrs Magpie
07-07-2005, 16:56
No it was a 30, Hackney to Marble Arch
i just realized that the bus that exploded was heading to euston from holborn... probably a 59, which I take every morning to work... must've been the one I missed in Brixton earlier.
:( :( :mad:
It was a 30.
TFL Email as of 17:25 today
I can confirm that National Rail, Bus and Docklands Light Railway services are returning to normal.
London Underground will be closed for the rest of the day and will start running a reduced service tomorrow morning.
Please visit our website www.tfl.gov.uk for up to date information, or if you have access to a television please look at Ceefax page 436 or Teletext page 164.
i just realized that the bus that exploded was heading to euston from holborn... probably a 59, which I take every morning to work... must've been the one I missed in Brixton earlier.
:( :( :mad:
It was a 30 or something. Definitely not a 59.
Police are telling people right now to run away from Victoria Station - panic ensues.6pm, BBC, suspect package.
Lisarocket
07-07-2005, 16:58
It was a 30 or something. Definitely not a 59.
It was a 30 from Hackney to Marble Arch
Stobart Stopper
07-07-2005, 16:59
It was a 30 or something. Definitely not a 59.The number 30 bus runs from Hackney, not sure where it goes.
SubZeroCat
07-07-2005, 16:59
Police are telling people right now to run away from Victoria Station - panic ensues.6pm, BBC, suspect package.
source?? wtf??
Police are telling people right now to run away from Victoria Station - panic ensues.6pm, BBC, suspect package.
Any links?
Police are telling people right now to run away from Victoria Station - panic ensues.6pm, BBC, suspect package.
I still haven't heard from my girlfriend who works in Victoria station. She should finish at 3.30 though.
right so i've arrived at work (amb HQ for those who dont know)
the entire place is like a massive car park - st johns, us, other couties ambs all over the place. not to mention the police.
walking in was strange as there were people milling everywhere, not walking out of town but walking very determindly round in circles.
the ambulance station attached is full of paramedics debriefing each other and taking stock, all seem reasonably cheerful though.
the control room is heaving, those taking 999 calls today have found it stressful trying to tell people why they cant have an ambulance ("i just wanted to scream 'dont you know whats going on?! turn on your TV'" said my mate), but it seems that people are listening to the advise not to call unless its an emergency.
dispatch is full of stressed people but the whole place remains professional. we're due a briefing and then we start.
probably wont get back on tonight.
wiskers
a big thank you to you and all your colleagues in all the emergency services, wiskey, sounds like you lot have all done a superlative job today.
a big thank you to you and all your colleagues in all the emergency services, wiskey, sounds like you lot have all done a superlative job today.
What he said.
source?? wtf??
The source was Sky news, not the Beeb. A journo is reporting from the scene.
Two more fatalities at Edgware Road, two confirmed on the bus :(
right so i've arrived at work (amb HQ for those who dont know)
the entire place is like a massive car park - st johns, us, other couties ambs all over the place. not to mention the police.
walking in was strange as there were people milling everywhere, not walking out of town but walking very determindly round in circles.
the ambulance station attached is full of paramedics debriefing each other and taking stock, all seem reasonably cheerful though.
the control room is heaving, those taking 999 calls today have found it stressful trying to tell people why they cant have an ambulance ("i just wanted to scream 'dont you know whats going on?! turn on your TV'" said my mate), but it seems that people are listening to the advise not to call unless its an emergency.
dispatch is full of stressed people but the whole place remains professional. we're due a briefing and then we start.
probably wont get back on tonight.
wiskers
Massive Respect goes to you and your colleagues!!!!!
Two more fatalities at Edgware Road, two confirmed on the bus :(
They said 7 on the bus on Sky. I'd be surprised if it's only 2, looking at the state of it.
They said 7 on the bus on Sky. I'd be surprised if it's only 2, looking at the state of it.
Two confirmed he said, guessin' that it's going to go far higher before the day's done.
They said 7 on the bus on Sky. I'd be surprised if it's only 2, looking at the state of it.
Me too. I think 2 is just the confirmed figure. I expect it'll escalate soon.
Current death toll is 37 according to itv news.
Victoria Station has re-opened after suspect package - Sky anchor reports at 6.20pm.
Victoria Station has re-opened, apparently.
Massive Respect goes to you and your colleagues!!!!!
seconded! well done mate! :)
It was a 30 or something. Definitely not a 59.
oh gosh... well i would've lived... still absolutely horrific tho! :( :(
oh gosh... well i would've lived... still absolutely horrific tho! :( :(
If it had been 6 weeks ago I probably would have been cycling along upper woburn place at that time for my 10 oclock Thursday lecture.
Got this email at 5:30pm:
Dear Mr *******,
I can confirm that National Rail, Bus and Docklands Light Railway services are returning to normal.
London Underground will be closed for the rest of the day and will start running a reduced service tomorrow morning.
Please visit our website www.tfl.gov.uk for up to date information, or if you have access to a television please look at Ceefax page 436 or Teletext page 164.
Yours sincerely,
Chris Townsend
Director of Group Marketing
Kid_Eternity
07-07-2005, 18:16
Puting wants the G8 agenda to be more war on terror orientated: http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxnews&articleid=5347153&subject=general&action=article
Puting wants the G8 agenda to be more war on terror orientated: http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxnews&articleid=5347153&subject=general&action=article
Didn't check the link, because I'm drunk, but that strikes me as being a very bad thing, the reactionism has already started, I get the feeling that the next few months are going to be infinitely worse than today.
Buddy Bradley
07-07-2005, 18:29
Current death toll is 37 according to itv news.
Channel 4 saying 38 now.
SonOfGoatboy
07-07-2005, 18:29
I'm really glad to hear that all the people I know are alright. Sympathy and respect from the Glaswegian brigade. I'll toast you all this evening. Gonna go get drunk now. So happy to know everyone's ok.
See you all at the end of the month with any luck.
Most of the reactions I've heard have been admirable in their restraint and maturityld be the one to get all militant. What the hell, I'll settle for everyone surviving...
Lisarocket
07-07-2005, 18:32
Sky just said that a French minister has been told 50 dead
Sky just said that a French minister has been told 50 dead
Sky reported the same figure from Italian sources this morning. Seems more likely then the current figure looking at the pictures.
Chester Copperpot
07-07-2005, 18:44
Just heard from a friend that bank station was cleared this morning at 7 am due to a security alert.
Can anyone confirm this?
Sky reported the same figure from Italian sources this morning. Seems more likely then the current figure looking at the pictures.
There is the convention of not reporting figures until relatives have been informed. In practice, in some past events (not thinking clearly enough about it to produce references) this has shaded imperceptibly into news management.
But there are occasions when I can at least see how police are thinking when they engage in news management to have the horror of an event emerge gradually, and this is one.
Their thinking about anything involving the Tube is centred on the Bethnal Green Tube disaster of 1943 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/homeground/archive/2003/bethnal-green-tube-disaster.shtml) - 173 people died in a stampede into the station after (a) an air raid warning that was a false alarm; (b) maybe a very noisy rocket salvo from Victoria Park; and (c) someone tripping at the bottom of the stairs. It was on the top of constables' minds as well as officers' on Millenium Eve - which is why they were reduced to acting as bouncers on the Tube and were barely present on the streets.
Free information, good.
Chances of hundreds more dying in panic-driven circumstances like Bethnal Green, not good.
No right answer comes immediately to mind.
energy release
07-07-2005, 19:10
There is the convention of not reporting figures until relatives have been informed. In practice, in some past events (not thinking clearly enough about it to produce references) this has shaded imperceptibly into news management.
No, I think they're trying to see if one of the victims is a suicide bomber.
They hinted on C4 that the toll would be much higher on the bus than 2, so 50 sounds possible.
DJ Squelch
07-07-2005, 19:15
A reporter on Paxmans BBC show just said police are speculating that the bus was not the target for the final bomb but that it went off accidently when the terrorists were taking it to another destination.
No idea why or how they might come to this idea.
baldrick
07-07-2005, 19:26
why the fuck would you take a bomb somewhere on a bus? :confused:
i suppose it's fairly anonymous, but still...
maximilian ping
07-07-2005, 19:31
about 10 years ago an IRA bloke blew himself and some others up on a bus in central london. a bbc reporter said the one today was the first bomb on a bus incident in london. not true
Oxpecker
07-07-2005, 19:32
Got this email at 5:30pm:
Dear Mr *******,
I can confirm that National Rail, Bus and Docklands Light Railway services are returning to normal.
London Underground will be closed for the rest of the day and will start running a reduced service tomorrow morning.
Please visit our website www.tfl.gov.uk for up to date information, or if you have access to a television please look at Ceefax page 436 or Teletext page 164.
Yours sincerely,
Chris Townsend
Director of Group Marketing
It'll certainly be reduced, the unions are insisting on a full sweep of the trains and track for unexploded devices before passenger service is re-introduced. Management, apparently, are reluctant.
William of Walworth
07-07-2005, 19:36
why the fuck would you take a bomb somewhere on a bus? :confused:
i suppose it's fairly anonymous, but still...
Suggestion in the Standard (completely unsupported by any actual evidence, I must say) that the person concerned (suicide bomber??) was denied entrance to the tube so went on a bus instead???
Still not clear which explosions happened when though, so above may be bollocks.
Phototropic
07-07-2005, 19:37
about 10 years ago an IRA bloke blew himself and some others up on a bus in central london. a bbc reporter said the one today was the first bomb on a bus incident in london. not true
source?
EDI: Ah I have one here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/18/newsid_4165000/4165719.stm
It'll certainly be reduced, the unions are insisting on a full sweep of the trains and track for unexploded devices before passenger service is re-introduced.
''Management, apparently, are reluctant.''
Bah, what possible justification? :mad:
source?
I remember it. It was at the Aldwych.
William of Walworth
07-07-2005, 19:39
If you happen to have a Standard to hand, I recommend, if you can face it, having a look.
For all that paper's faults, the thing it does best today is record a lot of eye witness reports, from all the explosions. I know the BBC are doing the same.
It's reading those that REALLY bring home to you what happened :(
about 10 years ago an IRA bloke blew himself and some others up on a bus in central london.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1920000/images/_1920917_aldwych150pa.jpg
February 1996
a bbc reporter said the one today was the first bomb on a bus incident in london. not true
Er, BBC list they should have looked at! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/935058.stm)
Suggestion in the Standard (completely unsupported by any actual evidence, I must say) that the person concerned (suicide bomber??) was denied entrance to the tube so went on a bus instead???
Still not clear which explosions happened when though, so above may be bollocks.
Hmm sounds speculative. I can't see what circumstances would lead to someone being denied access to the tube at that time of the morning. No-one's really looking, it's too busy.
gaijingirl
07-07-2005, 19:41
why the fuck would you take a bomb somewhere on a bus? :confused:
i suppose it's fairly anonymous, but still...
It's cheaper than a taxi??? :confused: How else would you get it there?
RubyToogood
07-07-2005, 19:49
That was what happened to the Aldwych bus bomber - he was taking the bomb somewhere else and it went off accidentally on the bus.
well red
07-07-2005, 19:50
"Hmm sounds speculative. I can't see what circumstances would lead to someone being denied access to the tube at that time of the morning. No-one's really looking, it's too busy."
The bus bomb went off one hour after the first bomb, and by that time the tube stations were all closed - its one of the reasons the bus was so full. I think its highly likely that this one was intended for the tube but could not be placed there because the network was shut down so quick. If you have a ticking bomb and you want to kill as many humans as possible, why not place it on a bus (NB I suspect the death toll on the bus has not been revealed because they can't match up all the pieces of people yet).
Does anyone know which direction the tube at Edgeware Rd was going? was it going out of town?
William of Walworth
07-07-2005, 19:52
Hmm sounds speculative. I can't see what circumstances would lead to someone being denied access to the tube at that time of the morning. No-one's really looking, it's too busy.
Depends on the exact order of events, which I'm still confused about. Maybe 1 or 2 of the other explosions had already happened, and they were already starting to shut down the tube.
I agree that Standard suggestion was part of a thoroughly speculative report though.
Mrs Magpie
07-07-2005, 19:52
The bomb at Edgeware affected three trains....it also blew out a wall between platforms, which is probably why the casualties were worse in that incident
(NB I suspect the death toll on the bus has not been revealed because they can't match up all the pieces of people yet).
And the bomber is presumably amongst them - which will be a massive clue.
William of Walworth
07-07-2005, 19:54
"Hmm sounds speculative. I can't see what circumstances would lead to someone being denied access to the tube at that time of the morning. No-one's really looking, it's too busy."
The bus bomb went off one hour after the first bomb, and by that time the tube stations were all closed - its one of the reasons the bus was so full. I think its highly likely that this one was intended for the tube but could not be placed there because the network was shut down so quick. If you have a ticking bomb and you want to kill as many humans as possible, why not place it on a bus
I was thinking along those lines ... just wasn't sure of the facts/timings ...
(NB I suspect the death toll on the bus has not been revealed because they can't match up all the pieces of people yet
:(
Does anyone know which direction the tube at Edgeware Rd was going? was it going out of town?
Heading away from town (source was the Standard though).
Does anyone know which direction the tube at Edgeware Rd was going? was it going out of town?
Circle line train heading from Edgware Road for Paddington.
William of Walworth
07-07-2005, 19:55
It was heading from Edgware Road for Paddington.
Circle Line I think.
There's a clickable map here if you need more info on each blast:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/london_blasts/html/default.stm
Am still in the fucking office trying to catch up on the work that I needed to do today but couldn't because my head has been fucked up all day.
At 3.15am my grandad passed away peacefully in his room in a nursing home in Bournemouth at the age of 86. I went down to see him yesterday; he was very ill but pleased to be visited and in reasonable spirits.
Between 8am and 10am the lives of numerous people in London were taken from their loved ones well before their time, and the lives of many more irrevocably altered forever by physical and mental maiming.
Tonight, I look out of my window and see a blood-red sunset .... usually one of London's most underrated features, but somehow more sinister tonight.
What a truly shit day.
well red
07-07-2005, 20:03
Here's another piece of pure speculation - one person places the bombs on trains at Kings Cross (all trains came through there) but gets inconveniently evacuated from the station. So they jump on a number 30 outside the station and leave their last bomb there.
Doesn't have to be a big network or conspiracy, neither does it have to be suicide bombers. Just guessing.
...The bus bomb went off one hour after the first bomb, and by that time the tube stations were all closed - its one of the reasons the bus was so full. I think its highly likely that this one was intended for the tube but could not be placed there because the network was shut down so quick. If you have a ticking bomb and you want to kill as many humans as possible, why not place it on a bus (NB I suspect the death toll on the bus has not been revealed because they can't match up all the pieces of people yet)..A bus isn't a great target for maximising casualties the blast won't be confined by the structure. It does represent a direct stab at the London tourist trade and as those buses float arround London all the time its a fairly easy 2ndary target of opportunity.
What a truly shit day.
Agreed. I don't usually drink much on weeknights but tonight I think I'm going to have more than one glass of wine.
"Hmm sounds speculative. I can't see what circumstances would lead to someone being denied access to the tube at that time of the morning. No-one's really looking, it's too busy."
The bus bomb went off one hour after the first bomb, and by that time the tube stations were all closed - its one of the reasons the bus was so full. I think its highly likely that this one was intended for the tube but could not be placed there because the network was shut down so quick. If you have a ticking bomb and you want to kill as many humans as possible, why not place it on a bus (NB I suspect the death toll on the bus has not been revealed because they can't match up all the pieces of people yet).
Does anyone know which direction the tube at Edgeware Rd was going? was it going out of town?
Yes, of course. I forgot about the time difference.
At 3.15am my grandad passed away peacefully in his room in a nursing home in Bournemouth at the age of 86. I went down to see him yesterday; he was very ill but pleased to be visited and in reasonable spirits.
Sorry to hear that :( At least you got to see him before he passed away.
Here's another piece of pure speculation - one person places the bombs on trains at Kings Cross (all trains came through there) but gets inconveniently evacuated from the station. So they jump on a number 30 outside the station and leave their last bomb there.
Doesn't have to be a big network or conspiracy, neither does it have to be suicide bombers. Just guessing.
8.51 at Liverpool Street and 8.56 at King's Cross, so unlikely. And it happened in the tunnel so it's not like it could have been left in the station.
well red
07-07-2005, 20:12
For some reason these psychos are obsessed with transport - Bin Laden and his "cars of death", the Madrid bombers targetting trains, 911 and the aeroplanes. Buses fit into that model.
What makes me sick is that whoever did this has been (still may be) walking around our City with us, watching us, talking to us. They know us, they know we are people just like them - we aren't satans, infidels, tyrants, we're just ordinary people like them. They don't blow up Bush or Blair, they kill ordinary people on their way to the boring jobs they hate, sitting on the tube waiting for the weekend (that will never come).
Walking home from work today with the streets full of people I remembered the last time I'd seen that many people out together - it was when 2 million of us took to the streets to protest against the war, the largest demonstration this country has ever seen. This is our reward?
well red
07-07-2005, 20:17
"8.51 at Liverpool Street and 8.56 at King's Cross, so unlikely. And it happened in the tunnel so it's not like it could have been left in the station."
I'm thinking simple time-bombs. Leave one in the Circle Line train for Liverpool St set for 15 minutes time, then cross over to the other side and do the same for the Edgeware Rd train, then change to the Piccadilly and leave a shorter delay on it?
It could be a gang of nutters, or one nutter with a big bag of despair. I'm guessing that only the CCTV will tell us. Hope the bus had real cameras on it and not fakes.
kropotkin
07-07-2005, 20:21
It was so strange today- walking around. Despite the surreality of everything, it felt like one of the most real days i've lived: people were looking each other in the eye, touching each other on the shoulder as they passed in the pub, being human to each other in a way the isolation of the city precludes every other day.
I found it quite touching. Basic human solidarity and collective feeling.
William of Walworth
07-07-2005, 20:22
It was so strange today- walking around. Despite the surreality of everything, it felt like one of the most real days i've lived: people were looking each other in the eye, touching each other on the shoulder as they passed in the pub, being human to each other in a way the isolation of the city precludes every other day.
I found it quite touching. Basic human solidarity and collective feeling.
Good post -- it felt like that in the pub I was in as well.
Lisarocket
07-07-2005, 20:26
It was so strange today- walking around. Despite the surreality of everything, it felt like one of the most real days i've lived: people were looking each other in the eye, touching each other on the shoulder as they passed in the pub, being human to each other in a way the isolation of the city precludes every other day.
I found it quite touching. Basic human solidarity and collective feeling.
Yeah...great post like William said...
Shame it could be back to normal next week with everyone ignoring each other and being insular :(
passenger
07-07-2005, 20:38
It was so strange today- walking around. Despite the surreality of everything, it felt like one of the most real days i've lived: people were looking each other in the eye, touching each other on the shoulder as they passed in the pub, being human to each other in a way the isolation of the city precludes every other day.
I found it quite touching. Basic human solidarity and collective feeling.
yeah a nice way to put it :)
It was so strange today- walking around. Despite the surreality of everything, it felt like one of the most real days i've lived: people were looking each other in the eye, touching each other on the shoulder as they passed in the pub, being human to each other in a way the isolation of the city precludes every other day.
I found it quite touching. Basic human solidarity and collective feeling.
Such a shame it takes something like today to make this happen.
well. its all gone a bit quiet as everything sinks in.
we're slowly recovering our ambulances and crews from around london who were deployed for the incident.
people still seem to be listening about the request not to call 999 unless they need to - and mostly its been violent psychiatrics, i dont know if this is related to the incident. i guess its put people a little more on edge.
we're still getting calls about suspect packages and have teams deployed to deal specifically with them.
but life goes on. we're prepared in case there's any follow up but i hope there isnt.
my upmost respect goes out to all the LAS staff who were on duty this morning and throughout the day. we've picked up the pieces and got it all moving again but they did the serious work.
wiskers
coventrycityfan
07-07-2005, 21:06
Do you think London could be struck again tomorrow? i'm not causing people to panic but what if the bombers who struck this morning have not finished with us?
Hearing the Security experts they were pretty concerned about more bombings etc
William of Walworth
07-07-2005, 21:06
MAJOR RESPECT TO WISKEY AND HER TEAM!! :cool:
NickLarmour
07-07-2005, 21:07
Seconded !
MAJOR RESPECT TO WISKEY AND HER TEAM!! :cool:
:cool:
You make us all very proud wiskers :)
Stobart Stopper
07-07-2005, 21:20
Well done Wiskey! And my poor cousin, who was on duty this morning in central London,(LAS) god only knows what he's seen today, doesn't bear thinking about. I have only just found out that he was there.
MAJOR RESPECT TO WISKEY AND HER TEAM!! :cool: Too right.
DrRingDing
07-07-2005, 21:25
Nice one wiskers :)
And fourthed.
BBC confirms 38 dead, 700 still injured.
Do you think London could be struck again tomorrow? i'm not causing people to panic but what if the bombers who struck this morning have not finished with us?
Hearing the Security experts they were pretty concerned about more bombings etc
We have been told that we can stay away from work tomorrow
:cool:
You make us all very proud wiskers :)
she dont half :) :)
fucking diamond.
coventrycityfan
07-07-2005, 21:43
Also if these bombers have used backpacks then they could have easily escaped from death and could still be alive
exosculate
07-07-2005, 21:54
I've heard there may have been a fifth bomb at Stratford station - that did not go off. Has anybody heard this?
Condoleeza fucking Rice 'they will not have died in vain'..
Er...and what does that mean?
It was so strange today- walking around. Despite the surreality of everything, it felt like one of the most real days i've lived: people were looking each other in the eye, touching each other on the shoulder as they passed in the pub, being human to each other in a way the isolation of the city precludes every other day.
I found it quite touching. Basic human solidarity and collective feeling.
yup, articulated how i couldn't, but exactly how i would want to
for the second time today, nice one ping
Badger Kitten
07-07-2005, 21:59
I was on a crowded train to work - it was 8.40am when I boarded the rammed Picadilly line train at Finsbury park. Normally I board half way up the train, but the train was so full, I walked up to the front of the train to board.
I was on the first carriage, the one behind the drivers' carriage , by the doors; it was absolutely packed, and even more people got on at Kings X making it what felt like the most crowded train ever. Then as we left Kings X, about 5 to 9, there was an almighty bang and everything went totally black. Then clouds of choking smoke filled the tube carriage and I thought I had been blinded. It was so dark that nobody could see anything. I thought I was about to die, or was dead, then I realised I was choking, the smoke was like being underwater, but gradually I could see, a little, as the emergency lights in the tunnel kicked in. The glass was smashed so air started to flood in, we were ok.
There was silence for 10 secs. Then a terrible screaming.
We all tried not to panic, we said to each other 'ok, stay cool, stand up if you aren't injured, hold hands, don't cry, stand up, hold on, we'll get out , the driver is trying to talk to us'
Some people screamed, some groaned, but we kept saying, 'shh, we'll get out, stay cool, the driver is talking to us, let's listen to him'.
The driver said 'I've got to go forward a bit, then I can let you out, but first I need to make sure the track isn't live', so we all shouted the message back into the darkness. It got passed down the train into the darkness. Then after about 20 - 30 minutes we started to leave the train. It was choking on there so we were trying not to panic because we knew that would be curtains.
We tried to keep each other calm, I remember saying 'if anyone's boss gives them grief for being late, we know what to say to them, eh, girls?' and people laughed. We kept saying 'not long, it's the long walk to freedom, nearly there'. I knew, if we panicked, we'd trip on the
( possibly live) tracks and things would be hopeless. So we just tried to stay cool, and trust we'd be safe soon. We'd escaped from the smashed carriage, we just had to stay calm and escape from the dark tunnel too.
We walked carefully through the semi darkness - we didn't know if the tracks were live so we walked between them - the emergency lights were on -in the tunnel - we walked in single file to Russell Square station and after what felt like half an hour we were lifted off the tracks to safety, and I was in a lift, euphorically calm, then in the station foyer, surrouneded by filthy blackened shocked people, someone handing me water. My mouth was so dry. My lungs were full of choking dirt, it felt. I was aware then of a huge bleeding gash full of glass in my wrist and that I could see the bone in my arm, and I then felt sick. I realised I needed to clean it, it was full of grit, and I was bleeding , so I held my arm above my head and breathed in and out hard. But I also knew I didn't need an ambulance; it was a nasty gash, not a maiming. So I staggered about for a bit, outside the tube, and no-one seemed to know what to do, least of all me, then I called my friend who worked in Shaftesbury Avenue and she came in a cab and she took me to the hospital
( UCL). We shouted, 'does anyone want to get a lift to the hospital?' but peopl seemed too shocked to respond, and I started to faint. I just wanted to get my wound cleaned and stitched and GET HOME , I was feelign sick and worrying much worse casualities would be coming later. . I knew I was 'walking wounded', not really badly hurt, and I felt almost bad for having survived and got off so lightly. I knew others behind me were so much worse off than I was. The hospital staff were so lovely, I kept wanting to cry. But I knew I needed to stay calm and get home.
I got treated, my cut cleaned of glass and x-rayed - hours passed, I felt even more calm and light-headed - people started to flood into A&E at UCL covered in glass and blood.The police talked to me and gave me a forensic bag for my clothes. I felt like I was out so fast and into hospital so fast the emergency services staff hadn't quite got geared up into 101 mode yet. I was so very lucky. The emergency staff were clearly shocked, yet doing all they could and rose to the occasion so bravely. I can't thank them enough. They were magnificent.
Anyway. They kept me in for 4 hours with shock, they stitched me up, then they wouldn't let me go, cos I had gone deaf and they weren't sure if I had broken my arm. X-rays proved it was just bashed. Eventually I got out and met my partner and walked to camden ( no buses/trains, desperate to get home). Seeing his face was wonderful. I started to shake with the relief of being alive.
In the pub I found out that there had been many bombs.I went into shock. I probably still am in shock. It took another 2 hours to get home; a friend eventually managed to pick us up in her car.
I am very lucky. I feel euphoric. I'm sure I'll 'crash' soon, but right now, I'm so glad to be alive.
Rachel
coventrycityfan
07-07-2005, 22:00
Someone on an internet forum is saying that Two further unexploded devices have been found somewhere in London, but the source of the news where he got it from was a bit sketchy.
Anyone heard anything?
exosculate
07-07-2005, 22:01
Someone on an internet forum is saying that Two further unexploded devices have been found somewhere in London, but the source of the news where he got it from was a bit sketchy.
Anyone heard anything?
One may have been in Stratford, can't confirm that though.
I am very lucky. I feel euphoric. I'm sure I'll 'crash' soon, but right now, I'm so glad to be alive.
Rachel
I always get in the front carriage when I change from the Victoria line at King's Cross. I've probably been in the same carriage as you before. I'm glad you're alive too and thanks for telling us about that.
exosculate
07-07-2005, 22:05
I was on a crowded train to work - it was 8.40am when I boarded the rammed Picadilly line train at Finsbury park. Normally I board half way up the train, but the train was so full, I walked up to the front of the train to board.
I was on the first carriage, the one behind the drivers' carriage , by the doors; it was absolutely packed, and even more people got on at Kings X making it what felt like the most crowded train ever. Then as we left Kings X, about 5 to 9, there was an almighty bang and everything went totally black. Then clouds of choking smoke filled the tube carriage and I thought I had been blinded. It was so dark that nobody could see anything. I thought I was about to die, or was dead, then I realised I was choking, the smoke was like being underwater, but gradually I could see, a little, as the emergency lights in the tunnel kicked in. The glass was smashed so air started to flood in, we were ok.<snip>
Blimey! That is completely mad!
N.b - I think it is likely you may still be suffering from shock!
Rachel, you're a brave girl. Well done for keeping calm and keeping everyone calm. That was a harrowing account.
Mrs Magpie
07-07-2005, 22:08
Woah. Bloody hell. Glad you're relatively unscathed.....fair play to you, missus.
coventrycityfan
07-07-2005, 22:08
Just to add the guy is saying he heard it on FOX news and is also being reported on ABC news too
Shit! Thanks for sharing your story Rachel. You must be feeling absolutely emotionally exhausted.
DJ Squelch
07-07-2005, 22:20
Blimey Rachel, hope your feeling OK.
lizzieloo
07-07-2005, 22:27
That really moved me.
I'm so glad you're OK.
flimsier
07-07-2005, 22:35
As I said on the thread the ed started, that's an amazing story Rachel. I'm glad you're ok and thanks for sharing.
maximilian ping
07-07-2005, 22:37
take it easy rachel x
Like others have said, Rachel, thanx for your account. And full marks to that driver, great how he handled the situation, esp as he must have been kacking himself on the quiet.
maximilian ping
07-07-2005, 23:32
the Sun has 53 dead on its website. wonder where the fuck they got that from?
the Sun has 53 dead on its website. wonder where the fuck they got that from?
Tabloid papers are sick cunts. They're probably gambling on how many they can get away with printing tommo...(checks watch) this morning from a bunch of unreliable sources. I will be avoiding the tabloid press for a couple of days, it's gonna be sick.
layabout
07-07-2005, 23:41
Ahem.
London bomb blasts: UPDATES AND NEWS ONLY - NO DISCUSSION
Ahem.
London bomb blasts: UPDATES AND NEWS ONLY - NO DISCUSSION
:confused:
I was commenting on the reliability of a source. That's how Bulletin Boards work mate.
layabout
07-07-2005, 23:47
:confused:
I was commenting on the reliability of a source. That's how Bulletin Boards work mate.
Oh alright I'll let you off!
equationgirl
07-07-2005, 23:48
I was on a crowded train to work - it was 8.40am when I boarded the rammed Picadilly line train at Finsbury park. Normally I board half way up the train, but the train was so full, I walked up to the front of the train to board.
I was on the first carriage, the one behind the drivers' carriage , by the doors; it was absolutely packed, and even more people got on at Kings X making it what felt like the most crowded train ever. Then as we left Kings X, about 5 to 9, there was an almighty bang and everything went totally black. Then clouds of choking smoke filled the tube carriage and I thought I had been blinded. It was so dark that nobody could see anything. I thought I was about to die, or was dead, then I realised I was choking, the smoke was like being underwater, but gradually I could see, a little, as the emergency lights in the tunnel kicked in. The glass was smashed so air started to flood in, we were ok.
<snip>
Glad you are okay, you and the others on the train were very brave. Well done. Ask your partner to keep an eye on you over the next few weeks for post tramautic stress disorder, it may not appear immediately.
Take it easy, doll.
(((rachel)))
What a sensationally fucked up day... :confused: :confused: :confused:
Louloubelle
07-07-2005, 23:52
what a brave lady
just goes to show that pole dancing develops the character ;)
take care of your self and get well soon
loulou xxx
layabout
07-07-2005, 23:53
the Sun has 53 dead on its website. wonder where the fuck they got that from?
Well. Looking at it, they claim their source is the police. Most probably unofficial police sources mind.
Kid_Eternity
07-07-2005, 23:54
What a sensationally fucked up day... :confused: :confused: :confused:
Yeah, just being trying to write about it on my blog...aint quite managed to get my head round it all yet. Not much sleep for me tonight...
Louloubelle
07-07-2005, 23:55
Yeah, just being trying to write about it on my blog...aint quite managed to get my head round it all yet. Not much sleep for me tonight...
did you check out all those people on camden road?
Yeah, just being trying to write about it on my blog...aint quite managed to get my head round it all yet. Not much sleep for me tonight...
Yeah, I know what you mean man; my entire house relocated to the pub at about half two & I've been drinking ever since. I fear I've not exactly processed the events of the day yet. London (and I guess Britain) is never gonna be quite the same again. This was our 9/11.
Kid_Eternity
07-07-2005, 23:58
did you check out all those people on camden road?
Didn't get round to it, a couple of mates came round and we just sat and talked all evening.
Kid_Eternity
07-07-2005, 23:59
Yeah, I know what you mean man; my entire house relocated to the pub at about half two & I've been drinking ever since. I fear I've not exactly processed the events of the day yet. London (and I guess Britain) is never gonna be quite the same again. This was our 9/11.
God, I should of gone for a drink but just didn't want to go out, felt much better hanging at home with mates. Yeah, didn't really want to say that but its kinda true although not becuase of the death toll or because of how Blair et al will use it but because of the emotional effect.
That's it, the emotional effect. If the bus was blown up by a suicide bomber - as seems likely - it's gonna take me a while to get my head round that fact: a suicide bomber blew up a bus a few minutes walk from a house on a road I walk down every day. At the moment it all seems so gloriously & painlessly abstract but I doubt that will last.
Badger Kitten, I am glad you got out ok. I don't really know what else to say.
Take care.
That's it, the emotional effect. If the bus was blown up by a suicide bomber - as seems likely - it's gonna take me a while to get my head round that fact: a suicide bomber blew up a bus a few minutes walk from a house on a road I walk down every day. At the moment it all seems so gloriously & painlessly abstract but I doubt that will last.
Considering I've lived in Euston since I was born and was outside only a street away from Russell Square when it happened it's perhaps even more of a shaker for me. My ears are still ringing from the sound of the explosion and I regularly take the number 30 bus route all the time!
Louloubelle
08-07-2005, 00:09
I was just drawing my curtains and saw the sky flash white for a second
anyone else see it?
I'm in Camden facing south
I didn't hear anything
it was just like a lightning flash, only there's no storms
*don't think I imagined it- would anyone be so silly as to let off a firework at a time like this?*
Mrs Magpie
08-07-2005, 00:11
Train? I often see flashes like that at night from electrified railway lines.
tangerinedream
08-07-2005, 00:12
I'm glad it seems all the people on here are ok. I've never met 99.99% of people but it was seriously wierd looking at the news today and I instantly thought of people from here just doing there normal stuff.
It's been a strange old day at work, I spent most of my time talking about the IRA to the students, trying to explain that terrorism isn't a new invention and that the British can cope better than the americans because of the last 30 years, they didn't remember anything about the Warrington/Manchester/Canary Wharf etc etc (not to mention the many many incidents in N Ireland) - It's been quite a wierd day, I feel old.
It seems very remote all of this in Fleetwood, but I've just got the bus back from the pub, and looking at the pictures of the bus that exploded on the BBC site, it is chilling. I very much empathis with an earlier post about why do these people try to kill every day people. - Why don't they pick on the leaders or the powerful. It seems to just give the governemt more power and keep the normal person scared.
I hated Blair for refering to all Muslims as distinct from 'us' - watch his speech - he does, why? He looks like he needed this like a hole in his head, he looks so old.
Anyway that's not important now, I'm glad everyones ok, I'm sorry people suffered what must have been a nightmare and something like this reminds you how real life is, and how the posters are real. I hope tomorrow is easier for all the London people.
Louloubelle
08-07-2005, 00:12
well I don't hear any sirens so I suppose it can't have been anything important
time I went to bed
what a horrible day :(
SubZeroCat
08-07-2005, 00:22
Badger Kitten you are extremely brave and I wish you a good recovery from all of this, you did well :)
Don't know about the reliabilty of ABC but...
July 7, 2005 — In what appears to be the first major break in the London terrorist attacks, U.S. authorities tell ABC News that British police have recovered two unexploded bombs in London.
In addition, British investigators say that parts of timing devices have been recovered from several of the blast sites. The unexploded devices and timing mechanisms should provide important evidence that could help determine who was behind the attacks, sources told ABC News. Source (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=918193)
I was looking at their site earlier and have to say that the ABC News message boards makes for depressing reading:
Bush_is_the_MAN: If you are a Towel Head In London
man what is going through your mind right now...
pmccartney66: a bullet
Enough is enough. We are in a war and it's time that President Bush took a Trumanesque approach to this war on terror. We need to create a list of say a half a dozen cities that the terrorists value. I would suggest we start with these lst two:
1. Mecca
2. Tehran
After selecting these 6 cities. We make an announcement that any further terrorism attacks will result in the first city on the list being leveled with the entire force of US military might (i. e., nuclear weapons) Leave nothing standing. Kill every living thing. The Holy Bible gives paramaters for going to war -- abide by those. Tell the terrorists that if you do A then B will happen without question. No UN, no debates, no media hounding the US ---- then the choice is theirs. If the terrorists choose to blow something up -- then the US should show them what blowing something up really is. Yes, innocent people would be killed BUT Truman had a similar dilema in WW2. Kill thousands now save hundreds of thousands later. Its time we quit fighting a politically correct war. If we took this approach I really believe we would never have to level the second city on the list.
Britan, British people we support you as you have supported us. We love you as you have loved us and we share the loss as you shared with us. Freedom will reign, terrorist will all die, they will all lose. They serve a dead god who makes them kill themselves and little children along with innocent civilians. This same god will not be able save them from a fiery hell. Freedom will prevail, love will abound and hatred will receive her just reward. I thank GOD for a free country like America & Great Britan; a wonderful savior in Jesus Christ who doesn't request I kill people to earn my salvation. Jesus paid the price for my sins and today freedom reigns!
a nuclear strike on mecca...that would really sort everything out
:eek: :eek: :eek:
layabout
08-07-2005, 01:16
Well if it's any consolation, a businessman in Colorado that I have dealing's with for ages, joked that "Bush is talking about nuking Saudi Arabia!" - then went on to say how he hated the way that Bush and co. have have reactionary, revengeful "feel good" answers to problems...
Not the exact words of my American friend, but a quick summary of his sentiments.
Mind you, alot of what he was saying was about his mistrust of Texans!
Eeep! :eek: , I did say "Don't know about the reliabilty of ABC but..."
bloody ell badger kitten :eek: am in tears after that
glad u survived and well done you for helping others...
just can't comprehend it :(
take care :)
so i've finished work thank god. i think that will be (hopefully) one of the hardest 14hours of my life.
i cant sleep, i dont really know what to do with myself now. i'll roll a spliff that should help.
i think the most upsetting part of my night was watching the horriffic pictures on the television as we had new 24 on in the control room, and i sit right in front of the TV. for 14 hours i've absorbed other peoples shock and confusion through a never ending series of news reports, i've watched a man describe his experience on the bus as people were 'splattered' with glass time and time again. its burned into the back fo my head. this was only made worse by some bloke at the BBC having the bright idea to intersperse london footage with pictures from previous explosions around the world, i would look up and see a building in rubble and think 'god here we go again'.
After call after call to suspect packages from croydon to barnet by about 2am a weird calm settled over the room, we accepted nothing would happen overnight and it became a waiting game until we could hand over to the day shift. not that we wouldn't stand up to whatever happened, but all of us are emotionally wiped out and mentally drained. the officers, extra staff and volountary services left gradually until it was just my watch left, and we looked at each other, realised its just us and continued as normal.
The 999 calls coming in ranged from the life threatening to the ludicrous. but the ludicrous ones were generally people who believed their 3wk old sore throat was life threatening. you cant help people like that. we had an inordinate amount of psychiatric patients and two rapes on my sector which is pretty much unheard of (i've only dealt with 2 in the last 2 years). i dont know if the general stress on the situation has got to people.
the only anger i've seen all night was a reaction (by all staff) to the man (i dont know who he was) who was quoted as saying that the emergency services took too long entering the tunnels to help the victims. we learnt lessons at 911, the emergency services ran into that and not enough ran out again.
everybody runs away from a disaster, the emergency services run towards it.
i joined the service knowing that london would be the victim of a terrorist attack at some point. i personally believe we as a city came off lightly, i also believe this may not be the end. we've known it was coming, it was just a case of when. people on the tv were quoted as saying that they would move jobs, never get on a tube, never visit london. thats a pity. i've lived in london all my life with the threat of terrorist attacks from the IRA or others, it happened then, its happened now.
to anybody who lost a loved one my deepest condolances.
i think i might not open the paper i just bought. i cant take any more today.
i've finished my spliff
goodnight
wiskers
Hey, hope you manage to get a decent kip wiskers.
Badger Kitten
08-07-2005, 07:02
Wiskey, huge thanks to all the ambulance staff today, and all the emergency services, will post that on another thread too.
i have the utmost respect and admiration for the work you lot do wiskey....get some kip in, you've more than earned it...
Just heard on BBC Breakfast.... some hotels so much as tripled their prices to take advantage of trapped commuters. How cynical and greedy can one be to take advantage of people caught up in this :mad:
Just heard on BBC Breakfast.... some hotels so much as tripled their prices to take advantage of trapped commuters. How cynical and greedy can one be to take advantage of people caught up in this :mad:
I think you will find that this is a non-story.
Hotel room prices, like airline tickets fluctuate over a huge range depending on demand, from heavy discounting in slack periods to top dollar when demand is high.
Yesterday, demand was high and the prices probably reflected that.
john x
Yesterday, demand was high and the prices probably reflected that.
john x
I'd accept that for a tourist resort in high season; but this was an unprecedented disaster with many communters trapped in London. How anyone could bring themselves to profit from this is beyond me.
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 07:37
According to the papers they are saying a Islamic Group from the Midlands could be responsible
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 07:39
Evacuation at Euston Station Talksport are reporting
Louloubelle
08-07-2005, 07:47
Evacuation at Euston Station Talksport are reporting
any suspect package will be taken very seriously now
I've always asked people "who does this belong to?" if there's an unnattended suitcase or bag on the tube, but I've lways felt a bit embarrassed, people have often seemed apathetic or embarrassed too
perhaps a good thing to come out of this is that it reminds people to be vigilant and to take unnatended packages and bags seriously
I'd rather be held up while police check out an unnatended bag than live in an environment where people don't bother to raise the alarm
Euston Station....
now reopened.
john x
BadgerKitten -- your account just had me in tears. Take care of yourself over the coming weeks.
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 08:12
Problem at Liverpool Street- Looks like another evacuation
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 08:15
Charing Cross has also been evacuated too
I hope that it's all false allarms.
I suppose we'll be getting lots of them up and down the country. Then,folk may just learn that they should read the signs which say "keep all personal belongings with you at all times"
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 08:19
Talksport have no Specific Details but Liverpool Street still cordoned off 2 sniffer Dogs have been sent in looking at the shops nearby
I hope that it's all false allarms.
I imagine they are... security are understandably on edge. It's not AQ's tactic to return and do the same surprise atrocity again - they know London is crawling with police, guards and very alert commuters.
William of Walworth
08-07-2005, 08:26
The Euston one, from what little we know anyway, seems almost certain to have been a false alarm -- it reopened so quickly. Let's hope the Liverpool Street one was as well -- people being extra vigilant at the moment is a good thing ...
The District Line from Westminster to South Kensington this morning was eerily normal (though somewhat less crowded than usual!) and so was the 148 from Walworth Road to Westminster.
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 08:32
Suspect Package in Liverpool Street Station- Talksport reporter has been told, and sniffer dogs inside the actual station, Reporter reckons Liverpool Street could be shutdown for sometime
From BBC: 37 known dead but "a number of bodies have yet to be recovered from Kings Cross".
I travelled on Met, Jubilee and District line this morning. My journey was a lot quicker and quieter than usual but in all everything seemed back to normal. I must admit, when I was going through the tunnels, I was a bit scared and kept thinking about what it must have been like for those poor people yesterday.
But life goes on as they say...
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 08:50
Liverpool Street Station just reopened
energy release
08-07-2005, 08:53
BBC says 37, but Sun website says 55 killed in total
But they also say:
7 in Aldgate St.
41 in King’s Cross
7 in Edgware Road
20 in Tavistock Square
= 75 total
Some strange inconsistencies here (NOT implying a conspiracy).
Agent Sparrow
08-07-2005, 08:53
I saw Lisatocket had reported this at somepoint yesterday, I got a phone call myself at about lunchtime yesterday saying that a friend had heard a man had been shot at Canary Wharf, obviously its still very sketchy to whether his happened, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that it's been reported in the South London Press.
frogwoman
08-07-2005, 08:53
I was looking at their site earlier and have to say that the ABC News message boards makes for depressing reading:
:eek: :( :mad:
Muslims are british citizens too, they were injured in this bomb just like everyone else :mad: sick fucks
Agent Sparrow
08-07-2005, 08:54
BBC says 37, but Sun website says 55 killed in total
But they also say:
7 in Aldgate St.
41 in King’s Cross
7 in Edgware Road
20 in Tavistock Square
= 75 total
Some strange inconsistencies here.
Isn't that because the BBC only wants to report confirmed deaths rather than estimated?
Phototropic
08-07-2005, 08:54
Isn't that because the BBC only wants to report confirmed deaths rather than estimated?
Yeah. Like with election results the BBC only deal in definates. They have to.
comstock
08-07-2005, 08:57
Isn't that because the BBC only wants to report confirmed deaths rather than estimated?
But they had *two* on the website until atleast mid afternoon yesterday :eek: when it was obvious many more had died :(
I can understand not wanting to accept estimates, but even so, they haven't covered themselves in glory here :(
But the time for that discussion will come later.....
William of Walworth
08-07-2005, 08:57
I saw Lisatocket had reported this at somepoint yesterday, I got a phone call myself at about lunchtime yesterday saying that a friend had heard a man had been shot at Canary Wharf, obviously its still very sketchy to whether his happened, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that it's been reported in the South London Press.
Can't find that in the South London Press online (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/nationalnews/) -- but I might be looking in the wrong place.
energy release
08-07-2005, 08:58
Isn't that because the BBC only wants to report confirmed deaths rather than estimated?
Probably.
Liverpool St just reopened - false alarm. Everyone's understandably jumpy today.
There was an almightly bang at Camden Road silverlink station this morning where the overhead power conductors crashed onto the top of the train. I wasn't there but heard people were screaming & running as they were thinking the worst...
I avoided that line thinking it would be swamped. Instead caught the Barking to Gospel Oak line which was quite quiet & walked from Gospel Oak. Only took an extra half hour too.
There was an almightly bang at Camden Road silverlink station this morning where the overhead power conductors crashed onto the top of the train. I wasn't there but heard people were screaming & running as they were thinking the worst...
I avoided that line thinking it would be swamped. Instead caught the Barking to Gospel Oak line which was quite quiet & walked from Gospel Oak. Only took an extra half hour too. :eek: I bet they fucking shit it!!
Agent Sparrow
08-07-2005, 09:37
Can't find that in the South London Press online (http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/nationalnews/) -- but I might be looking in the wrong place.
Written in the actual paper, page 4. And sorry, I think I might have skimmed it first time reading, its not confirmed as definately having happened, but its being reported that the police are looking into it.
Police were yesterday probing reports of a man had been "neutralised" outside Canary Wharf.
Is (sic) is believed the man was shot dead by police marksmen outside the Credit Suisse First Boston bank.
Other unconfirmed reports suggested the attacks wre the work of a co-ordinated team of suicide bombers.
So, its not definate it happened, but due to that its possibly sounding more feasible than some of the other urban myths flying around at the moment.
fat hamster
08-07-2005, 09:44
Euston Station....
now reopened.
john x
Did you get your visa in time yesterday? :)
SubZeroCat
08-07-2005, 09:46
Wiskey, just read your post. It was very moving and I feel for you mate.
You deserve a good rest and little break from the stories and pictures for now.
Take care x
Did you get your visa in time yesterday? :)
I did thank you. (glad I didn't listen to those on here telling me not to bother!)
Off this afternoon.
john x
Wiskey, just read your post. It was very moving and I feel for you mate.
Likewise Wiskers. Hope you manage to get your head down for a while. Respect to you & your other fellow co-workers. Think you all did a tremendous job!
Also to Badger Kitten, sorry to hear of your awful ordeal. Glad you're OK now despite your arm. You take care now...
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 09:55
has anyone heard any new evacuations? thankfully nothing has been reported for over an hour or so now
fat hamster
08-07-2005, 09:55
I did thank you. (glad I didn't listen to those on here telling me not to bother!)
Off this afternoon.
john x
Kewl. Well if you happen to meet anyone from Fox News, tell 'em exactly when you got it, just so they know London (never mind the rest of Britain) was not actually shut down yesterday...
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 10:07
news conference now, met police
holteman
08-07-2005, 10:10
death toll now 50+ :(
fucthest8
08-07-2005, 10:11
holts, was that official?
Lisarocket
08-07-2005, 10:13
The Police Commissioner has just said 50 plus dead with more expected because of bodies still being recovered from one of the tube trains. He said it won't hit three figures though.
SubZeroCat
08-07-2005, 10:13
has anyone heard any new evacuations? thankfully nothing has been reported for over an hour or so now
Are they people still trapped?! Or am I reading this wrong...
holteman
08-07-2005, 10:13
holts, was that official?
yes on the bbc now press conferance.....and may rise.....though unlickly to make 3 figures
Lisarocket
08-07-2005, 10:16
Are they people still trapped?! Or am I reading this wrong...
I think it's just bodies now, going on what they are saying in the press conference :(
SubZeroCat
08-07-2005, 10:16
:(
holteman
08-07-2005, 10:17
I think it's just bodies now, going on what they are saying in the press conference :(
yes i think i heard that there still unsure as to the number of bodies to be pulled out....think thats goign to be mainly the kings cross bomb :(
Lisarocket
08-07-2005, 10:17
They have also said that the bombs were on the carriage floors, so they don't think it was suicide bombers.
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 11:05
Emergency Services press briefing now and another met police press conference at 3pm
Major Tom
08-07-2005, 11:12
any suspect package will be taken very seriously now
right after 9-11 I saw an unattended bag on a LUL platform and called over a member of staff and told him. He said "that's mine" and walked off again - leaving his bag unattended. If that's the attitude of the staff then I'm not holding out great hope that attitudes to this sort of thing will change.
Orang Utan
08-07-2005, 11:16
Quite a few years ago, I reported an unattended bag at Charing X. The station attendant picked it up, put his ear to it and shook it. He said, 'nah, it's not a bomb' and walked off with it. Tool.
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 11:17
Apologies, The next briefing is at 2pm with the Mayor of London Ken Livingstone involved
Andy the Don
08-07-2005, 11:20
Death toll maybe over 50 according to BBC.. :(
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4663931.stm
William of Walworth
08-07-2005, 11:31
Quite a few years ago, I reported an unattended bag at Charing X. The station attendant picked it up, put his ear to it and shook it. He said, 'nah, it's not a bomb' and walked off with it. Tool.
He wouldn't do that now!! Or if he did, call it Tool x 1000 .....
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 11:50
Another Evacuation- St Pauls Tube Station no sketchy details yet but just reported on talksport
anyone got any info?
pinkychukkles
08-07-2005, 11:58
I'm based on Walbrook between Bank & Cannon St, just got an internal email saying police have cordoned off the St.Pauls end of Cannon St as there is a suspect package on a bus. We've been told to stay inside the building until further notice.
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 12:01
right well keep us informed if anything happens
very sad story of one woman still searching for her partner :( -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4663321.stm
god i hope he turns out to be ok :(
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 12:09
Talksport reporter now at St Pauls Cathedral- The police cordon has now gone and police have declared it a safe area
gaijingirl
08-07-2005, 12:10
very sad story of one woman still searching for her partner :( -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4663321.stm
god i hope he turns out to be ok :(
She just gave an amazingly together appeal on the BBC.... I hope she gets news soon... what a complete and utter nightmare.. :(
pinkychukkles
08-07-2005, 12:22
...I looked outside and there was no police cordon or anything, just loads of people so went out. All clear as you've said :)
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 12:26
Kings Cross station evacuated- BBC
Kings Cross station evacuated- BBCJust reopened too. Fucks sake, this'll be happening for a while!
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 12:29
Talksport reporting false alarm at Kings Cross due to a passenger leaving their bag in the station
citydreams
08-07-2005, 12:35
I don't know where else to stick this but thought I should forward it
The idea is that you store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address
book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be
contacted "In Case of Emergency". In an emergency situation ambulance
and hospital staff will then be able to quickly find out who your next
of kin are and be able to contact them.
It's so simple - everyone can do it. Please do. Please will you also
forward this to everybody in your address book, it won't take too many
forwards' before everybody will know about this. It really could save
your life.
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 12:41
Just thought i'd ask reading the met police briefing this morning Sir Ian Blair was saying it was 'blindingly obvious' that a terrorist cell was operating in Britain.
If he is saying that does that mean more attacks in London? And more importantly would the terrorists choose different targets, i.e. around the Oxford Street area etc
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 12:57
2pm- another met police conference and also Ken Livingstone talking as well about the situation
Just looked out my office window and St Paul's all seems clear now.
There's gonna be a lot of this sort of thing happening for a while i can imagine.
coventrycityfan
08-07-2005, 13:44
Anyone know what time the met police briefing is? it should have happened at 2 and i understand Ken Livingstone will be at this briefing too
This is a long thread and not sure how much this factor has been discussed if at all but certainly suprised me today.
I saw on the BBC that a suicide bomber had been shot by police in Docklands yesterday morning but reasonably quickly this was denied and I have not seen any more mention of this since.
Came into the office and spoke to a business associate who is based in Canary Wharf and she (+ 5 collegues) saw the police snipers shoot a man in the street. Now she is not somebody that is full of shit, I have know her for some time now and trust her 100%.
:confused:
if they really saw that then i am sure the news media would be interested to hear it.
i work in canary wharf and have heard nothing from people here. can you ask your friend the location of this shooting, and where they were watching from?
This is a long thread and not sure how much this factor has been discussed if at all but certainly suprised me today.
I saw on the BBC that a suicide bomber had been shot by police in Docklands yesterday morning but reasonably quickly this was denied and I have not seen any more mention of this since.
Came into the office and spoke to a business associate who is based in Canary Wharf and she (+ 5 collegues) saw the police snipers shoot a man in the street. Now she is not somebody that is full of shit, I have know her for some time now and trust her 100%.
:confused:
Yeah, that was an odd one, heard about it first on another board when somebody working at Merill Lynch mentioned it. :confused:
Also amongst all the confusion there was talk of an explosion in Houndsditch and when I spoke to my wife who was in Bishopsgate a few minutes later she mentioned the Houndsitch explosion.
:confused:
Agent Sparrow
08-07-2005, 13:58
IHB, I heard the same thing yesterday (got a phone call from a mate), but assumed it was just the start of an urban myth when I didn't see anything about it on the news. Then today I saw the South London Press have said that reports that a man had been "neutralised" by police marksmen were being investigated. I think at the moment we can't say either way if it happened or not, but perhaps its a bit like the death toll - it can't be reported by the press until its definately confirmed (and quite rightly so).
controlled detonation probably.
well red
08-07-2005, 13:58
Paddick was asked about the shooting at his press conference yesterday and could barely stop himself bursting out laughing.
MysteryGuest
08-07-2005, 13:59
This is a long thread and not sure how much this factor has been discussed if at all but certainly suprised me today.
I saw on the BBC that a suicide bomber had been shot by police in Docklands yesterday morning but reasonably quickly this was denied and I have not seen any more mention of this since.
Came into the office and spoke to a business associate who is based in Canary Wharf and she (+ 5 collegues) saw the police snipers shoot a man in the street. Now she is not somebody that is full of shit, I have know her for some time now and trust her 100%.
:confused:
fucthest8's posted about this earlier on the thread - he's got a friend who works for Reuters. fuct's take on it is that Reuters know about this story but aren't releasing it (yet?).
Kid_Eternity
08-07-2005, 14:01
Paddick was asked about the shooting at his press conference yesterday and could barely stop himself bursting out laughing.
Don’t know about that but his answer was clearly well chosen words. Everything else was this has happened, that has happened but when asked about that alleged incident he said something like “we have no reports about that.” Which means he’s been told but nothing officially has been reported.
assumed it was just the start of an urban myth when I didn't see anything about it on the news
Exactly my thoughts too. So much speculation was bounded about by the media during the first couple of hours it was hard to consider anything to be 'confirmed' but this one seems to have too many collaborating reports.
I agree that things should be made public at the right time but it does bother me not having all the facts (within reason) when I have to live and work here.
well red
08-07-2005, 14:07
Don’t know about that but his answer was clearly well chosen words. Everything else was this has happened, that has happened but when asked about that alleged incident he said something like “we have no reports about that.” Which means he’s been told but nothing officially has been reported.
No, the reporter asked had he heard about reports that a police sniper had shot a suicide bomber, and he sniggerred a bit and then said "I've not heard any report that a police sniper had shot anyone". He acted like it was the most ridiculous thing he'd ever heard.
I find the repitition of the phrase "police sniper" very interesting and points to this being a myth. Police would not use this phrase (more likely marksman) and would probably deny that they even employ "snipers".
fucthest8's posted about this earlier on the thread - he's got a friend who works for Reuters. fuct's take on it is that Reuters know about this story but aren't releasing it (yet?).Why would an independent news agency - whose entire raison d'etre is to churn out news in double quick time - hold back a story?
there may be very good reasons for not publicising any such event yet; for example, if the person shot was still alive, they would be a VITAL part of working out who did this and whether any of them were still at large.
remember that in spain it was 3 weeks before they moved against the gang.
edit: however, to clarify, i don't think there's any point in speculating at the moment.
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